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Penelope_Tree
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Porn: For Better or Worse
#18903797 - 09/28/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apparently, there is a sizable population that thinks porn should be eradicated. Shocked? Me too. Especially since I thought it was only the "family-minded" or hardcore "feminists."
There's another group (probably a sub group) that offers "psychological" explanations of why porn should be eradicated. Here are some examples:
- Porn desensitizes viewers so that they don't see anything wrong with sexual eploitation
- "porn instills specific sexual behaviors and general attitudes toward women and children that lead to more violence against them"
- "porn prioritizes male self-entitlement as the only and foremost form of entertainment at the expense of subjugating women"
- "because “those who engaged in date rape reported that they “very frequently” viewed porn and the correlation between rape rates and circulation rates for eight pornographic magazines (the same magazines minus Hustler) indicated that states with higher circulation rates had higher rape rates."
- It perpetuates the Rape Myth, Prostitution, Violent Crime, Pedophilia, etc. - Link to Article
Holy Hell. Those are pretty hefty claims. While I'm not sure how many studies in the article showed a causation effect (and not just a correlation, which wouldn't be so damning), there does seem to be a statistically significant trend in one study that found only 11% of child sexual offenders were NOT exposed to pornographic material. I mean, it isn't a study of causation, but it is still troubling if only for the fact that there are so many children with unencumbered access to explicit material.
Now, personally, I don't jump to demonizations. I think that censorship is neither practical nor desirable. And really, that's what this debate is about, isn't it? Whether or not there are some things we should censor because they "no good" to humanity.
While that is at least a valid argument, I don't think it is cogent. For one, prohibition only creates black markets, and really, I'm not sure the majority of those claims (desensitization, instilling violent attitudes, subjugating women, etc) are true. Moreover, taking away pornography from violence-prone individuals will not likely be a helpful intervention - they need behavioral and cognitive therapy, at least.
What's everyone else's view on this?
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Having been exposed to porn at a young age made my first real sexual encounters with women quite confusing. It made my expectations unrealistic about most of it.
I instinctively could sense that this wasn't the best way and pretty much had to unlearn everything porn had taught me. This was a good thing and vastly improved my intimate relations. A lot of my friends still struggle in this area, the parallel between the fantasies and attitudes instilled through porn and honest, down to earth, open sexuality with their partners.
I've had several girlfriends whose sexuality had been clearly shaped by engaging with young men with these porn instilled attitudes, whom found great relief and healing in a relationship with more open and realistic attitudes about sex.
This is definitley something that is effecting young men and women of our culture.
As for banning porn? Stupid and unnecessary idea IMO, but perhaps finding better ways of limiting its access to humans during the years when their brains are most vulnerable and having real discussions with our youth about human sexuality.
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How are young people suppose to know what fucking is if they don't watch porn?
I had sex education in 4th grade when I was a child, and I still didn't know what sex was really about, I knew what the text book taught us about sperm and eggs, yet I was still clueless about sex.
Porn is a helpful educational resource for young people, there is nothing more helpful than visually watching something take place, a classroom and a textbook just don't get the job done.
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Re: Porn: For Better or Worse [Re: qman] 1
#18904090 - 09/28/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman said: How are young people suppose to know what fucking is if they don't watch porn?
not have kids as parents
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zZZz
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It seems impossible at this point to rid of all pornography. The best choice imo, and it is something i would fully support, would be to control it and limit it.
Pornography corrupts the youth. It isn't just pornography, its sex, and i dont mean the experience, but its advertising which leads to its distortion. Take a look around; television, magazines, billboards, music, etc., its everywhere. Pictures of half naked women, you turn on the tv and then you have half naked women eating cheeseburgers, all put there intentionally to arouse your sexual emotions.
My question is, why?..
Its no wonder why there is so much perversion in our world today. I can understand it, and i am not hating on pornography, but rather its lack of censorship and the fact that it is advertised worldwide like a fucking soda pop commercial.
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Re: Porn: For Better or Worse [Re: Hobozen] 1
#18904110 - 09/28/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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blankk said:
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qman said: How are young people suppose to know what fucking is if they don't watch porn?
not have kids as parents
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Re: Porn: For Better or Worse [Re: zZZz]
#18904134 - 09/28/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zZZz said: It seems impossible at this point to rid of all pornography. The best choice imo, and it is something i would fully support, would be to control it and limit it.
Pornography corrupts the youth. It isn't just pornography, its sex, and i dont mean the experience, but its advertising which leads to its distortion. Take a look around; television, magazines, billboards, music, etc., its everywhere. Pictures of half naked women, you turn on the tv and then you have half naked women eating cheeseburgers, all put there intentionally to arouse your sexual emotions.
My question is, why?..
Its no wonder why there is so much perversion in our world today. I can understand it, and i am not hating on pornography, but rather its lack of censorship and the fact that it is advertised worldwide like a fucking soda pop commercial.
"control and it and limit it"
No thank you, and who would be in charge of this control and limitations? Our politicians!
"Pornography corrupts the youth."
There is no evidence for this statement.
Attractive people that advertise products make them more attractive to consumers, so what?
Sounds like you are in favor of censorship, I don't think that's a good idea, citizens cherish their freedom of speech and expression.
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Re: Porn: For Better or Worse [Re: Raven Gnosis] 1
#18904188 - 09/28/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zZZz said: Pornography corrupts the youth. It isn't just pornography, its sex, and i dont mean the experience, but its advertising which leads to its distortion. Take a look around; television, magazines, billboards, music, etc., its everywhere. Pictures of half naked women, you turn on the tv and then you have half naked women eating cheeseburgers, all put there intentionally to arouse your sexual emotions.
My question is, why?..
You make a good point in regards to sexualized marketing. Everything seems so blown out of proportion. Even models are photoshopped- so the image you see in magazines, etc isn't the actual model, but an idealized version of the model.
Then there's the dramatic element to porn - as I understand it, most of what is shown isn't "real," but rather faked (sounds, etc). So to a young, inexperienced person that doesn't know that, they expect something completely different from their experience based on that.
Again, it seems that a strong parental influence is lacking. I mean, there's gotta be a point at which you talk to your children about these things & tell them what the nature of those types of things are. Teach them how marketing plays on emotions to bring out certain associations & the impulses that go with it. Keep your own personal, explicit material in a safe place.
"A lot of my friends still struggle in this area, the parallel between the fantasies and attitudes instilled through porn and honest, down to earth, open sexuality with their partners." Yeah, I feel like I know what you mean.
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I only entered this thread for the nude pictures!
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Re: Porn: For Better or Worse [Re: zZZz]
#18904229 - 09/28/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zZZz said: My question is, why?..
maybe they want to make people so insane that they lose the integrity to go and talk to people without objectifying them. it's all fake. fucking surface dwellers, characters in the matrix.. all this shit is to keep us locked in. /drunken 2 cents
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So many people watch porn. Its an ungodly amount. I love how they say its degrading to women. Yet, don't mention the men at all. Nothing wrong with porn. If anything it allows people to release sexual tension making them less likely to rape IMHO
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As I mentioned in another thread, Utah (read: Mormons) have the highest porn subscription rate in the USA. This is a definitive no-no in the Mormon Church.
I can never get my head around people professing one thing - and even going door-to-door to get converts to a faith they don't even believe in, and then disregarding their own teachings to do what they want. Why all the lame pretense?
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Well porn isn't going anywhere, but the emphasis on humiliation in pornography does kind of creep me out. However in my opinion it its only reinforcing something which is already there, it wouldn't be the way it is if a lot of people didn't want it that way.
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i like cow poo said: I love how they say its degrading to women. Yet, don't mention the men at all.
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Porn lacks love and degrades women to their bodies and men to their penis
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i like cow poo said: Nothing wrong with porn. If anything it allows people to release sexual tension making them less likely to rape IMHO 
Hardly, there's most often an aggressiveness in porn which contributes or even creates such general mentality towards sexual intercourse. That you will never get the girl in these trashy videos should piss you off coming back for more, not a healthy mentality and could potentially intrigue you to force yourself on this type of looking girl in real life.
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A lot of that study is "because men who watch this also like doing that means porn caused it". Which is bullshit. For example, is it surprising those who watch porn like to drink more? They are both highs. Is it surprising men who go to prostitutes and commit date rape also like to watch a lot of porn?
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Re: Porn: For Better or Worse [Re: Grapefruit]
#18905769 - 09/29/13 03:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, getting payed for sex is simply prostitution. And prostitution has nothing to do with sex in love.
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Re: Porn: For Better or Worse [Re: BlueCoyote] 1
#18906089 - 09/29/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: Porn lacks love and degrades women to their bodies and men to their penis 
That is a black and white statement and so not true. If one searches they can find porn that reflects the loving nature of relationship. It is rare however. Men are basically violent turds and women are weak.
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OrgoneConclusion said: As I mentioned in another thread, Utah (read: Mormons) have the highest porn subscription rate in the USA. This is a definitive no-no in the Mormon Church.
I can never get my head around people professing one thing - and even going door-to-door to get converts to a faith they don't even believe in, and then disregarding their own teachings to do what they want. Why all the lame pretense?
How do you know it is the Mormons doing it?
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