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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: micro]
    #1923709 - 09/16/03 11:21 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Just mix the DPT with the casing layer. So all DPT is not wasted then. So all enzymes covert the DPT to full potential.

A whole new way to make potent psychoactive (4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT) mushroom :smile:.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1923726 - 09/16/03 11:25 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Why the casing layer? Is DPT that water soluble? I wouldn't think so, but I could most certainly be wrong....

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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: micro]
    #1923764 - 09/16/03 11:33 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Because the mushrooms/myc come up out of the casing layer and DPT is water soluble.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. *DELETED* [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1925231 - 09/17/03 01:27 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: poke smot!]
    #1925686 - 09/17/03 03:37 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

4hodipt and 4acodipt are suppose to have the same effects. just like psilocin and psilocybian.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: Infrared]
    #1925699 - 09/17/03 03:40 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

oh yea, and phalaris has many other chemicals in it besides n,n dmt. i believe 5meodmt, 5hodmt, gramine. i wouldnt want any of those to be transferred into my mushies. 5-htp would be the best option, as its legal, cheap and works really well for increased production of psilocin.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: Infrared]
    #1925774 - 09/17/03 03:55 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

So I guess DiPT would do the same as DPT and convert into 4-HO-DiPT :smile:.
Is 4-HO-DiPT any good?


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1925829 - 09/17/03 04:16 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

4-HO-DiPT has a much more sensitive dose then 4-HO-DPT. 4-HO-DiPT is  active at 10 mg :smile:.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. *DELETED* [Re: Infrared]
    #1925838 - 09/17/03 04:20 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: poke smot!]
    #1925889 - 09/17/03 04:36 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

I think we just found something magic...


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1926088 - 09/17/03 05:36 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

ill be trying some 4hodipt this weekend so ill be able to report on some of the effects.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: Infrared]
    #1926108 - 09/17/03 05:46 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Killer :thumbup:.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1926342 - 09/17/03 07:11 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1926359 - 09/17/03 07:19 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

hmmmm, yea you might be on to something. I wonder if anyone knows why exactly it is so hard to synthesis. But since no effects of it are know it would be almost impossible to distingush its effects because it will be combined with 4-ho-dmt. You need to find someone who can do column chromotagraphy and seperate the chemicals from that specific batch of mushrooms, to even know for sure if they do contain 4-ho-dpt. And even if they did produce it, if its such an unstable chemical it might just degrade within a few hours. Hmmmm theories, theories, theroies so many of them, so little time to test them all out.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: Infrared]
    #1926416 - 09/17/03 07:38 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Nah... Just do it the easy way. Eat em!

Then you can know for sure :smirk:. Do not wait for the experts to test it out... Or we will be waiting years...

People always wanna make every thing so complex these days and shit. When an amateur could pull it off just as easy right now. I say every one look into this now...

Like we can all talk about it and shit. But when you do this, it actually becomes a reality (steps to success thinking, planing and doing).

5 easy steps to find out if it works. 1.Get DPT 2.Cover casing layer in DPT. 3.Harvest mushrooms. 4.Eat em! 5.Trip out...

Sorry about my stoner rambling...


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: Infrared]
    #1926458 - 09/17/03 07:53 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

I am by no means a chemist, i merely have a high school education in chemistry (and a fairly low quality one at that).  That said, this is all theory.  i just saw some connections and decide to post them.  I know that my reasoning and conclusion could be and, most likely are, incorrect.  So for all those shaking your heads, prove me wrong and come up with some hard evidence :wink:.

1. according to TIHKAL it seems that the german studies were done with det and not dpt.  or have they done multiple studies?  det makes more sense than dpt, as 4-ace-det is active on a much lower dose than i would imagine 4-ho-dpt has. the former on doses similar to psilocin and psilocybin and the latter going on a supposed threshold dose of 20mg.

2.  given a proper amount of nutrients, i would think the mushrooms would only make as much of enzyme E as would be necessary to process the dmt enzyme D creates.  who knows if it would make more of the enzyme for the dpt or not.  if not, perhaps it could be possible to find some dmt in dpt-laced mushrooms.

3. the average psiloc(yb)in (combined) content of P. Cubensis is 1.23% by dry weight.  for me, and i think most others, .5g for threshold (let me know if lower) and 3.5 grams gives a good trip.  therefore average psiloc(yb)in dose for threshold is ~3mg and a good trip is ~43.5mg.  Now, if there is only a certain amount of enzyme E created to convert what enzyme D made, that means that the end result wont exceed the total content of psilocin and psilocybin.  therefore that 43.5mg would be divided into three parts, not necessarily equal, for 4-ho-dmt, 4-opo4-dmt and the 4-ho-xxx*.

4. This is somewhat of a follow up to 3.  If mere threshold effects were felt with 20mg of 4-ho-dpt, that would mean (on the same average ratio of 4-ho-(dmt,dipt)** and 4-ace-(det,dipt)**) the mushrooms would need to produce ~10 times as much 4-ho-dpt per dose (ie 435 mg) for a high level 4-ho-dpt trip.  Now i realize this number is not scientifically accurate, but if you compare  dmt***, det, and dipt, their doses are all quite similar again.  therefore it would seem that, unless there was more 4-ho-dpt created than 4-ho-dmt and the phosphate ester combined, the shrooming experience would only be slightly effected by the 4-ho-dpt.  going by what i concluded earlier, the dpt probably wouldnt even be much of a factor seeing as how there is probably only around 15mg max (if there are indeed limited enzymes).  more research is obviously needed.

4. i believe mycofile said it best: "1. Creating new drugs, in new ways, and testing them only via bio-assay is a good way to die, thus"

*assuming the fungus would convert tryptamine xxx to the 4-ho analog of said tryptamine
**each dose range is very similar according to erowid (although erowid says 20mg is 'heavy' psiloc(yb)in, i believe most would disagree).
***with dmt orally an maoi must be used to obtain effects

edit: fixed a few minor things, also adding somethings i thought of:

a. if the fungus makes 4-ho-dmt and 4-opo4-dmt from dmt, then would it make 4-ho-xxx and 4-opo4-xxx?
b. are 4-ho-dmt and 4-opo4-dmt created by different enzymes in the mushroom?


Edited by iamhimheisme (09/17/03 09:34 PM)


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: ]
    #1926480 - 09/17/03 08:02 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Pretty good for DEA :wink:.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1930209 - 09/18/03 06:50 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Look at this :eek: , 4-acetoxy-DiPT ressembles psilocybin and 4-HO-DiPT ressembles psilocin :smile:.

 




   


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1930213 - 09/18/03 06:52 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

the only part thats the same is the 4-ho :wink:


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: ]
    #1930264 - 09/18/03 07:15 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

No, I mean its like the same kind of difference.


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