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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
#1894976 - 09/08/03 03:47 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doing this with Azure would be insanely potent.
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acidhead1279
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
#1895223 - 09/08/03 04:49 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: acidhead1279]
#1895227 - 09/08/03 04:52 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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E** Chemical..
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
#1895246 - 09/08/03 04:57 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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paddo
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
#1895247 - 09/08/03 04:57 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: paddo]
#1895288 - 09/08/03 05:11 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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For sure . Thats where I spawned the idea of using DPT.
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micro
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
#1895434 - 09/08/03 06:04 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess it may up to some extent, but I would think a good chunk of it might be degraded by extracellular and intracellular enzymes. In the case of a diethyl tryptamine, the sidechain would only have an extra (2) CH2's on the hydrocarbon part which shouldn't really do much. DPT has a much larger sidechain, so this serves as no *real evidence* that it would be transformed in the same manner. My guess would be, however, even if the sidechain did get broken apart it would be converted into psilocin, up to some extent. I guess my thoughts would be, then, that some (4-HO)DPT would be formed along with some extra psilocin, but without assays I can't tell you at all to which extent. It would really depend on how much of it is broken up. There is a chance (not a very small one, at that) that very, very little hydroxylated DPT would form.
Clever idea -- it would have to be tested, however. Thanks,
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: micro]
#1897279 - 09/09/03 05:28 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would that DPT converted extra psilocin have a change in its effects? I'm sure it has a limit up to extent. It is proably a gram of DPT that converts to a gram of 4-HO-DPT. A gram is a limit of convertion.
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
#1897578 - 09/09/03 09:08 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would imagine it might depending on the amount of isomers produced. Someone claimed that adding 5-HTP to the substrate changed its effects so it would be reasonable that DPT might.... I would think that this is a likely reason why (enzymes can usually work on different isomers of things and likewise can produce different isomers.)
All in all, I don't know if it would just hydroxylate the DPT -- this would have to be tested.... I would imagine it would use it as a precursor for psilocin, though, if it didn't. If it did work, the limit to efficiency (how much you put it vs. how much you get out) would depend on enzymatic destruction of the compound and downregulation.
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: micro]
#1897711 - 09/09/03 10:21 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would imagine it would also depend a good bit on how much of the original dpt was actually absorbed. Is there any reason to think that a culture will simply ingest all the dpt it's offered? I guess what I'm getting at is practical estimation of yield.
Put x amount of dpt into a pf cake, yield 5 grams of shrooms containing Y amount of 4ho dpt. Well, if you put 2x of dpt into another cake, would the 5 grams of shrooms you yield be twice as potent? Surely there is a point of diminishing returns, but is that point within safety? It seems like you could possibly OD off a single mushroom given the efficiency with which this thread has hinted at for the process.
Anybody want to give an informed estimate for how much dpt to add to specific amounts of substrate? I would imagine that you would estimate it based not on substrate actually, but on yield expected from that substrate. Example, most people get around 5 grams from pf cakes. How much dpt for each pf cake?
Also, would this be reliable across flushes, or would the dpt be converted mostly in the first flush?
These are things that need to be worked out by experienced grower's, and tested by experienced chemists before the kiddy's start offing themselves....
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
#1897754 - 09/09/03 10:40 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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when are you trying?
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: comario2]
#1897990 - 09/09/03 11:46 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes PLEASE do this. I've seen practically NO experimentation into additives. If you have access to the chems, then by all means, DO IT! 
If it works, you've created a whole new method of increasing potency of hallucinogenic fungi. If not, you did a great job experimenting and furthering the knowledge tree. Its a win win situation 
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paddo
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: paddo]
#1898634 - 09/09/03 03:02 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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In Thikal this is exactly in the same way explaind as you explain it now. If you are realy interested in experiments like this , just read (p)Thikal, its a good source to start off with.
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: paddo]
#1899300 - 09/09/03 05:37 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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The old little bird said I could dance if I could go to (EDT chemical) ranch. Then I could really be a cow boy.
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
#1899551 - 09/09/03 06:23 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, I ever.
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
#1899617 - 09/09/03 06:33 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do it in the masses..... People..
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theshiftingwalls
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
#1899689 - 09/09/03 06:48 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I bet it converts lots of DPT to 4-HO-DPT. 4-HO-DPT is weak and you need a lot up to 300 mg to trip. No body has done DPT as an additive before.
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