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Invisibletheshiftingwalls
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Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms.
    #1890354 - 09/07/03 05:33 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I just thought of this idea about making pure 4-HO-DPT (a rare tryptamine) . From the tests in Germany I read about. That you can make the mushrooms convert the chemical DPT to pure 4-HO-DPT in the fruit bodies if you put a gram of DPT in the substrate.
Same to if you put DMT in the substrate It will increase 4-HO-DMT (like what the Germans did essays about).

So just put in DPT. So you can naturally convert DPT and create abundant 4-HO-DPT in the fruit bodies. A man made chemical that is converted with the 4-HO signature natural.
This will make your fruit bodies have high levels 4-HO-DPT and 4-HO-DMT.

Making the effects have a different twist. Adding a new chemical to the mushrooms.
4-HO-DPT is very hard to make. So doing this will make growing lots of 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms easy.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. *DELETED* [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1890462 - 09/07/03 09:07 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: poke smot!]
    #1890567 - 09/07/03 11:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

ITs worth a shot for the sake of science. Post your results when you get around to it.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: orizon] * 1
    #1891607 - 09/07/03 08:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

"There is quite a body of scientific literature that discusses the changes (increases and well as decreases) of psilocybin and psilocin content in mushrooms as a function of their nutrient diet. And, under the 4-HO-DET entry, I mentioned that the inclusion of an unnatural component into the diet just might produce an unnatural alkaloidal product, with an exploitation of the natural and available enzyme systems that are part of the mycelial structure."

"Some fascinating studies have been done in Germany where the metabolically active mycelium of some Psilocybe species have been administered diethyltryptamine as a potential diet component. Normally, this mushroom species dutifully converts N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT) to psilocin, by introducing a 4-hydroxyl group into the molecule by something that is probably called an indole 4-hydroxylase by the biochemists. You put DMT in, and you get 4-hydroxy-DMT out, and this is psilocin. Maybe if you put Mickey Mouse in, you would get 4-hydroxy-Mickey Mouse out. It is as if the mushroom psyche didn't really care what it was working with, it was simply compelled to do its sacred duty to 4-hydroxylate any tryptamine it came across. It was observed that if you put N,N-diethyltryptamine (DET, not a material found in nature) into the growing process, the dutiful and ignorant enzymes would hydroxylate it to 4-hydroxy-N,N-diethyltryptamine (4-HO-DET) a potent drug also not known in nature. This is the title drug of this commentary. What a beautiful burr to thrust into the natural versus synthetic controversy. If a plant (a mushroom mycelium in this case) is given a man-made chemical, and this plant converts it, using its natural capabilities, into a product that had never before been known in nature, is that product natural? What is natural? This is the stuff of many long and pointless essays."


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1892090 - 09/07/03 10:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This is a new method to convert any tryptamine to the 4-hydroxylate signature.

ex:
DPT = 4-HO-DPT
DiPT = 4-HO-DiPT
DET = 4-HO-DET
AMT = 4-HO-AMT
DMT = 4-HO-DMT


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. *DELETED* [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1892156 - 09/07/03 11:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: enacid]
    #1892214 - 09/07/03 11:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

as a note the above quote in the shifting walls is a direct quotation from schulgin's book tihkal
everyone hwere should have that book


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: enacid]
    #1892226 - 09/07/03 11:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Well 4-HO-DPT was never tested that much because it was soooo hard to make. Usually making 25 mg each time made. But with growing mushrooms you can grow tons of 4-HO-DPT contained in the fruit body.

Usually each fruit body will have up to around 100-250 mg range of 4-HO-DPT. 4-HO-DPT has only been tested with 20 mg dose with minimum effects (but with some thing very wonderful nearby).

The fruit bodies will have both 4-HO-DMT and 4-HO-DPT.

But will this still be there when you clone with agar?


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1892264 - 09/07/03 11:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

4-HO-DMT and 4-HO-DPT and psilocibin avcourse right?

or does it turn into those 2 diff chems?


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: enacid]
    #1892283 - 09/07/03 11:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

4-HO-DMT is already in mushrooms. DPT turns into 4-HO-DPT.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1892376 - 09/08/03 12:13 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

As well as 4-phosphoryloxy-DPT.This has the potential of making the higher substituted butyl and others prospective additives also for the formation of their 4-HO and 4-Phosphoryloxy derivitves.SWIM says a 4-HO-DPT mushroom is roughly 2x potent with fewer somatic effects and less mental confusion.This work HAS been done and donating a 66$ gram of DPT to a bulk substrate yeilds many hundred times that weight in a very unique fungal product.
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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: whiterasta]
    #1892435 - 09/08/03 12:29 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

so would a mush grown on dpt and l-htp be 6x as potent?


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #1892458 - 09/08/03 12:41 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I am very curious about these 4-HO-DPT mushrooms.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1892511 - 09/08/03 01:04 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

what about mushrooms grown with THC
yes what if you added honey oil to your substrate would you get somehting special in your mushies?


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: enacid]
    #1892518 - 09/08/03 01:07 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Nope THC will do nothing. You want a tryptamine of some kind..
Tryptamines will only work with converting to the 4-HO signature.


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    #1892660 - 09/08/03 01:54 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: poke smot!]
    #1892773 - 09/08/03 02:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Im sure it would convert only up to a gram of DPT to 4-HO-DPT. Its not worth growing 4-HO-DET mushrooms. Its the enzymes job to convert tryptamine into their 4-hydroxy counterparts. It just is...

Its the way for the mushrooms too evolve. They will make the direct 4-hydroxy counterparts of the tryptamine.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1892842 - 09/08/03 03:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Growing with 4-HO-DET is a waste of time. 4-HO-DPT mushrooms are strong. The best part its %100 pure when it converts inside the enzymes. So you have strong pure 4-HO-DMT/4-HO-DPT in your fruit bodies.

I think people should seriously try this. It is worth have 2x the potency. Also your making a hard to make chemical (4-HO-DPT).

It is also done naturally. 4-HO-DPT never made it so big because it was really really hard to make and they only tested very small small doses. A high dose 4-HO-DPT trip is like a DPT trip with the waves of the 4-HO signature if you have 300 mg of pure 4-HO-DPT without 4-HO-DMT (just a guess).

I wonder what you happen if you did this with NMT? End up with 4-HO-NMT?

A combo of a 4-HO-DMT/4-HO-DPT mushrooms sound like a cool trip.
Plus your boosting the 4-HO-DMT when you add the DPT.


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1892939 - 09/08/03 04:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Anno?


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Re: Growing high content 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1894940 - 09/08/03 05:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

These 4-HO-DPT/4-HO-DMT mushrooms will have a totally different vibe out of the trip.

I think lots of people should try it and see for your self :wink:.


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