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Are human beings animals?
#18903499 - 09/28/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alright, so I'll stay neutral making this thread because I already have a solid position on the matter.
I'm arguing with my dear muslim friend, we are talking science and evolution and he would bet his life that humans are not animals and that we clearly different from animals and that they are here to serve us.
So in order to find an answer, I've decided to post a poll on the matter. Now, you might find the answer easy and this thread stupid, but I'm trying to prove a point against religion..
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
#18903505 - 09/28/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Humans are definatly animals the day they figure out how to turn us into e energy is the day we are no longer advanced apes.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
#18903510 - 09/28/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We're animals. We're the greatest, most intellectually advanced animals on this planet, on this solar system, in a multi-million light-year radius even. But without our intellect, we'd be nothing.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Synthe]
#18903523 - 09/28/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can't/shouldn't expect to sway someone about religion, ever, IMO, but I love a good debate.
Look at primates  The infant-mother relationship in particular.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: pcplease]
#18903528 - 09/28/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
#18903532 - 09/28/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Alright, so I'll stay neutral making this thread because I already have a solid position on the matter.
.... I'm trying to prove a point against religion..
Well, it's obvious what your position is based on your post lol. And plus, of course you're going to get more responses being that humans are animals when you ask a drug forum. Just sayin'. I put STAL.
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Tell him it's a fact under the classification of mammals. What evidence doeshhe base his claim on
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
#18903548 - 09/28/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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'Animal' is just our classification of a certain type of existence, and by our own definition we fall into that category. Animal is not an universal category, and it contains such amazingly varied array of creatures, we definitely share most of our characteristics with them.
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That's the thing, evidence probably won't be found. It's just a matter of belief.
The only evidence I can think of is the fact that humans are so much farther "evolved" than any other animal, thus we might be more than an animal.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
#18903569 - 09/28/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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obviously were animals what kind of question is that
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: That's the thing, evidence probably won't be found. It's just a matter of belief.
The only evidence I can think of is the fact that humans are so much farther "evolved" than any other animal, thus we might be more than an animal. 
Nope. We're animals
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tell your friend about DNA, and tell him that we're all animals, with an innate Anima or "primal sense", and that we all derive our existence from the same energy that makes up all of the universe. then tell him about God. tell him, you might as well learn in order of relevance, if you're gonna question even the basics.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18903609 - 09/28/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I told my friend practically every scientific fact I knew about the subject
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18903612 - 09/28/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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(class Mammalia /məˈmeɪli.ə/) are a clade of endothermic amniotes. Among the features that distinguish them from the other amniotes, the reptiles and the birds, are hair, threemiddle ear bones, mammary glands in females, and a neocortex (a region of the brain). The mammalian brain regulates body temperature and the circulatory system, including the four-chambered heart. The mammals include the largest animals on the planet, the rorqual whales, as well as some of the most intelligent, such as elephants, some primates and some cetaceans. The basic body type is a four-legged land-borne animal, but some mammals are adapted for life at sea, in the air, in the trees, or on two legs. The largest group of mammals, the placentals, have aplacenta which feeds the offspring during pregnancy. Mammals range in size from the 30–40 mm (1.2–1.6 in) bumblebee bat to the 33-meter (108 ft) blue whale.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal] 1
#18903616 - 09/28/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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then this is where the wall is. it's there at the point of "i am not gonna surrender the thoughts on my (frankly pathetic) beliefs."
if his thoughts can't change, well... i think we all know what's gonna happen. he won't change, either.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18903627 - 09/28/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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His argument is all wrong. He's trying to argue we aren't something that we are specified by a man made class. Either way he's wrong, I know what he's saying though
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#18903634 - 09/28/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't waste your time arguing with religious nuts over obvious matters of simple fact.
Humans are animals, no question or debate about it.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: NetDiver]
#18903641 - 09/28/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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give your muslim friend some lsd
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal] 3
#18903655 - 09/28/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The definition of an animal is a eukaryotic, multicellular organism in the kingdom Animalia or Metazoa. There is no ambiguity whatsoever about whether or not humans fit this definition. They do.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: mr sniffles] 2
#18903657 - 09/28/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are animals. This is grade school biology.
But if he is arguing from a religious standpoint, and not a scientific standpoint, then you wont change his mind.
People who use religion to base their beliefs are hard to persuade, despite all the evidence you can show them.
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tell him this, Patlal, that humans are on a higher vibrational plane, then other animals, and that we are spiritually more attuned to the higher power. thusly we have been able to evolve beyond the carnal state of other animals.
bing bang boom.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18903678 - 09/28/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: tell him this, Patlal, that humans are on a higher vibrational plane, then other animals, and that we are spiritually more attuned to the higher power. thusly we have been able to evolve beyond the carnal state of other animals.
bing bang boom.
I like that. But how do you know that we're on a higher vibrational plane than other animals?
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: mr sniffles]
#18903687 - 09/28/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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k3nnyw said: give your muslim friend some lsd
That would only reinforce his belief in god.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Synthe]
#18903693 - 09/28/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Synthe said: We're animals. We're the greatest, most intellectually advanced animals on this planet, on this solar system, in a multi-million light-year radius even.
That claim is, for now, completely unfounded.
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akira_akuma said: tell him this, Patlal, that humans are on a higher vibrational plane, then other animals, and that we are spiritually more attuned to the higher power. thusly we have been able to evolve beyond the carnal state of other animals.
bing bang boom.
I like that. But how do you know that we're on a higher vibrational plane than other animals?
because we're closer to God. we have the intellect and the emotional discretion to attain a higher frequency, basically, by being Human. by being Humans we can understand the infinite and thusly can understand the significance of the unknown and how to interpret that spaceless. thoughts and mind. so and so forth.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18903704 - 09/28/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We can contemplate the infinite but understand...no I don't think we ever will.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: robbyberto]
#18903724 - 09/28/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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some people can. not everybody. Jesus, for example... and Buddah. they could, potentially, according to what they innately brought to the table. they dedicated their lives to understanding the infinite, and i believe they did. with awareness of the infinite you can understand it, it's just limitless, so to define it is impossible. you can only read it... like a book.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18903819 - 09/28/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said:
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akira_akuma said: tell him this, Patlal, that humans are on a higher vibrational plane, then other animals, and that we are spiritually more attuned to the higher power. thusly we have been able to evolve beyond the carnal state of other animals.
bing bang boom.
I like that. But how do you know that we're on a higher vibrational plane than other animals?
because we're closer to God. we have the intellect and the emotional discretion to attain a higher frequency, basically, by being Human. by being Humans we can understand the infinite and thusly can understand the significance of the unknown and how to interpret that spaceless. thoughts and mind. so and so forth.
You have no evidence for anything that you just stated, it's pure speculation.
How do you know what dolphins understand?
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: qman]
#18903823 - 09/28/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'm telling a person what to tell a religious nut. dude.
personally, considering this is just conjecture and is irrelevant to anything... i find that Animals have an even higher connection to a "higher power", then Humans. Humans just simply get better treatment, because we are smarter. no duh, right? plus, we can form a lexicon for language and survive on top of the food chain... this means that Animals MAY have exactly the same level of interconnectivity or maybe even more! though, nobody can have proof for that, because hello, they can't talk to us.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#18903856 - 09/28/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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His friend is an idiot, and needs to be educated beyond a 2nd grade understanding of biology.
Humans eat, sleep, shit, piss, fuck, and die just like every other animal that exists, what makes his dumb friend think his species is different? The Koran.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: qman]
#18903864 - 09/28/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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that and all the talk about spirituality. it's easy to compare spirituality to nature, though it's definitely a dichotomy. nature is that which is independent. the spiritual is that which is dependent, on nature, first and foremost.
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#18903872 - 09/28/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Synthe said: We're animals. We're the greatest, most intellectually advanced animals on this planet, on this solar system, in a multi-million light-year radius even.
Intellect is just an operating system and about the only one we have direct experience with in terms of consciousness on this planet. This is like saying I am the greatest most advanced person in my neighborhood because I run Windows 7 on my computer, even though I am not sure what other people run or what the experience of it is or how any of it really works.
Look at the things we can observe some sea life doing, like dolphins and all the wacky, playful, ingenious shit they do. Have you ever seen footage of a morphing octopus? Just because their intelligence isn't seated in their frontal lobe and is expressed in different ways doesn't mean it's somehow less spectacular or inferior to our human machinations. Insects, birds, various sea life, many other species are brilliant instrumentalists in their medium so they could be said to use art in essentially the same ways we do. Look at how spiders and bees and other insects have an innate mastery of geometry and construction. And they're not helpless for years before they can get to it.
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But without our intellect, we'd be nothing.
An operating system is nothing without an interface. Without our manual dexterity our intellect would be nothing.
All creatures operate in a different spectrum, and we have no idea what consciousness is aside from our own tiny sliver of it, so I'd say it's profoundly stupid to profess that the things we do are somehow more advanced or "greater" than other forms of life. That said, we do operate in the human sphere so for us, what humans do is the most important out of all species(even though bacteria in our gut keeps up functioning, etc) and we do find ourselves in a position of being forced to conquer or exploit other forms of life to some extent to survive.
We should humbly accept our ignorance about how other forms of intelligence operate(while always striving to better understand it) and do our best to spend our time with as much ingenuity as possible doing things that will benefit all forms of life. And even though all consciousness seems to be linked I think we are frankly too stupid at this point to use any understanding of that to anyone's advantage, so just aim to contribute something to your fellow man(either by mundane, everyday or more creative means) if nothing else.
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#18903879 - 09/28/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anybody who says no is FUCKING RETARDED.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
#18903891 - 09/28/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Obviously we are animals biologically, the evidence of this is overwhelming. Some people do use the word "animal" to refer exclusively to animals other than humans. That's just a convention of language though, it has nothing to do with biological distinctions.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: psi]
#18903900 - 09/28/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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these confusions about definition are ultimately hilarious, though. i say we all keep being ignorant to the fact that our biological imperatives are the same as all other live forms, or in some cases, completely dependent on them.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
#18903912 - 09/28/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If we're not animals then what are we?
I get where he's coming from, but even from a religious perspective, aren't we animals that are spiritually superior to other animals (or however he wants to put it), but ultimately still animals? I don't know what else we could possibly be called.
Maybe he didn't think it through and articulate his thoughts on the matter properly before he started debating it. Maybe the reason you stated all the scientific facts for him but he still wouldn't admit he's wrong is because he's too embarrassed or stubborn to. 
Or maybe he's truly that retarded. If he genuinely believes we're not of the animal kingdom, what would he call us, instead?
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#18903920 - 09/28/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep, we're all just a bunch of really smart but funny looking monkeys.
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Into The Woods said: If we're not animals then what are we?
I get where he's coming from, but even from a religious perspective, aren't we animals that are spiritually superior to other animals (or however he wants to put it), but ultimately still animals? I don't know what else we could possibly be called.
Maybe he didn't think it through and articulate his thoughts on the matter properly before he started debating it. Maybe the reason you stated all the scientific facts for him but he still wouldn't admit he's wrong is because he's too embarrassed or stubborn to. 
Or maybe he's truly that retarded. If he genuinely believes we're not of the animal kingdom, what would he call us, instead?
nothing. he's an idiot.
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the study of religion. the study of something out of nothing. fuck science! we want something out of nothing, it's easier that way!
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18904021 - 09/28/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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If we aren't animals, what the fuck are we? Gods?
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend]
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were just nature at its finest. We are the product of all of natures intelligence.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
#18904098 - 09/28/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since 'Animals' is a category invented by humans - while we meet the critera for them, we could also invent our own and be whatever the fuck we like. But yeah - we fit under the category of animals right now obviously
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend]
#18904120 - 09/28/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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seriously. just let this guy trip in a zoo or somethiing.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: mr sniffles]
#18904172 - 09/28/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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k3nnyw said: seriously. just let this guy trip in a zoo or somethiing.
Fuck that noise! Sounds like such a bad time.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend]
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I think it sounds rather adventurous
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alot of people would rather not have a trip with any possible consequences to their psyche or in otherwords, "have a bad trip".
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18904236 - 09/28/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i wish more people were on our level man.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
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kick your muslim friend in the junk, then tell him he's an animal.
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JesusGoneRogue said:
i wish more people were on our level man.
as in not caring about stipulations and worrying about society's impact on me, at large? YEAH.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: qman] 2
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qman said: His friend is an idiot, and needs to be educated beyond a 2nd grade understanding of biology.
Humans eat, sleep, shit, piss, fuck, and die just like every other animal that exists, what makes his dumb friend think his species is different? The Koran.
Not all animals do all those things
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18904289 - 09/28/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said:
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JesusGoneRogue said:
i wish more people were on our level man.
as in not caring about stipulations and worrying about society's impact on me, at large? YEAH.
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too bad everyone relies on the next person over to wait on them, serve them, or save them when they don't do anything to deserve or warrant it. but hey, it's just the WAY IT IS. it's human nature to wanna be lazy, indulgent, narcissistic. so what the HEY!
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend]
#18904302 - 09/28/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Legend said: If we aren't animals, what the fuck are we? Gods?
one large experiment of the soul
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma] 1
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Well the generations of humans before us were animals, some of the recent generations have somehow become vegetables though.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
#18904320 - 09/28/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am a spirit trapped in a animal body that constantly has 1 foot in the 'sludge' and 1 foot in the hyperspacial web of cosmic interconnectedness.
But to answer the quest_ion bluntly, I have an animal body, yes, but I am not cursed like the other animals. The other animals only know pain and rejection. The human knows love.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18904321 - 09/28/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: too bad everyone relies on the next person over to wait on them, serve them, or save them when they don't do anything to deserve or warrant it. but hey, it's just the WAY IT IS. it's human nature to wanna be lazy, indulgent, narcissistic. so what the HEY!
And yet - would you deny chance to be homunculus king?
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#18904338 - 09/28/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: too bad everyone relies on the next person over to wait on them, serve them, or save them when they don't do anything to deserve or warrant it. but hey, it's just the WAY IT IS. it's human nature to wanna be lazy, indulgent, narcissistic. so what the HEY!
We are able to express more individual ideas because society is like this. If we all had to rely on our own abilities to find food and shelter and other bear necessities we would not have many of the advancements we have today. New world order wants mindless drones.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: twighead]
#18904348 - 09/28/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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twighead said:
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akira_akuma said: too bad everyone relies on the next person over to wait on them, serve them, or save them when they don't do anything to deserve or warrant it. but hey, it's just the WAY IT IS. it's human nature to wanna be lazy, indulgent, narcissistic. so what the HEY!
And yet - would you deny chance to be homunculus king?
i would if i already believed i am.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: thelanzii]
#18904371 - 09/28/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nemmies said:
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akira_akuma said: too bad everyone relies on the next person over to wait on them, serve them, or save them when they don't do anything to deserve or warrant it. but hey, it's just the WAY IT IS. it's human nature to wanna be lazy, indulgent, narcissistic. so what the HEY!
We are able to express more individual ideas because society is like this. If we all had to rely on our own abilities to find food and shelter and other bear necessities we would not have many of the advancements we have today. New world order wants mindless drones.
right, exactly. just like animals to the Earth, we are the workers of the Gods. we get told we are the all prevailing human spirit so that we submit to the goal of "human nature".
really, it's just cells that work for the greater good, and they're easily convinced that they only have one source of origin, because they only have one source of energy.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
#18904438 - 09/28/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Alright, so I'll stay neutral making this thread because I already have a solid position on the matter.
I'm arguing with my dear muslim friend, we are talking science and evolution and he would bet his life that humans are not animals and that we clearly different from animals and that they are here to serve us.
So in order to find an answer, I've decided to post a poll on the matter. Now, you might find the answer easy and this thread stupid, but I'm trying to prove a point against religion..
Voted STAL. Because this question warrants a toke and a reply.
Whether human beings are an animal is based on your relative position.
Human beings are animals but are not "just another animal." Of course relative to the universe a human being is really not that different to any other animal, having evolved to favor abstract reasoning as it's primrary survival skill.
From the perspective of a human being however I agree with your friend. Humans matter. Humans are important. Humans are special. Humans are more than animals. From the perspective of a human being I see other animals as nothing more than a component of the universe, no more important than sticks and stones.
And while in the great scheme of things human beings are really no different or more important than anything else. We at least have the ability to look out for one another, love each other and make our existence sacred, rather than just living for no other purpose than to reproduce. We give ourselves meaning.
tl;dr Humans are animals, but are also something much more.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Patlal]
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I think what this subject boils down to is the presence of consciousness in a being.Typically most all animals don't have a conscious,emotions or any of the basic things we distinguish as a purely human traits in society.Most animals only think for survival ONLY,they have no other motives or emotions other then to propagate and eat and drink.
That being said i do believe that animals were put on this planet for human survival and resources,i don't think animals have souls & identities like humans do. I sure don't think animals were put here not to be used for resources because #1 if we didn't hunt them they would overpopulate any given area and we would have to fight for territory.Secondly if you ask yourself the question why are animals in our world?The only logical explanation i can come up with is that they are here for human needs,food,clothes,oil ect.
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Your theory sounds like bull shit to me.
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Seriously_trippin said: I think what this subject boils down to is the presence of consciousness in a being.Typically most all animals don't have a conscious,emotions or any of the basic things we distinguish as a purely human traits in society.Most animals only think for survival ONLY,they have no other motives or emotions other then to propagate and eat and drink.
That being said i do believe that animals were put on this planet for human survival and resources,i don't think animals have souls & identities like humans do. I sure don't think animals were put here not to be used for resources because #1 if we didn't hunt them they would overpopulate any given area and we would have to fight for territory.Secondly if you ask yourself the question why are animals in our world?The only logical explanation i can come up with is that they are here for human needs,food,clothes,oil ect.
"animals were put here"
By who? Aliens.
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Seriously_trippin said: I think what this subject boils down to is the presence of consciousness in a being.Typically most all animals don't have a conscious,emotions or any of the basic things we distinguish as a purely human traits in society.Most animals only think for survival ONLY,they have no other motives or emotions other then to propagate and eat and drink.
That being said i do believe that animals were put on this planet for human survival and resources,i don't think animals have souls & identities like humans do. I sure don't think animals were put here not to be used for resources because #1 if we didn't hunt them they would overpopulate any given area and we would have to fight for territory.Secondly if you ask yourself the question why are animals in our world?The only logical explanation i can come up with is that they are here for human needs,food,clothes,oil ect.
You clearly have very little experience with animals Many animals display a high level of emotion.
So - whats your take on the 99% of animals that ever existed - that existed before human civilization? Did they exist and evolve just to be used as resources by us in the form of oil?
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: twighead]
#18905033 - 09/28/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My opinion
Sometimes we are, sometimes we're not
 
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Hobozen]
#18905243 - 09/29/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had this thought the other day to I mean obviously our species had to go through the primitive stage in order to get where we are now and given the chance/alternate universe another species could have been sitting where we are now
but if you look at the big picture "animal" is a human word therefor animals are in fact only animals to humans and not other animals.
also what if the way we perceive social standards and the food chain in general(us being the most powerfull) is just the way are brains fool us to think that we are top dogs. when in fact we are rats in a cage given a little freedom, and another species perceives their position on the totem poll as the most powerfull?
food for thought man
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] 1
#18905519 - 09/29/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have an animal body, yes, but I am not cursed like the other animals. The other animals only know pain and rejection. The human knows love.
Where did you get that idea? You seriously don't think the love you experience is felt by other animals. Cursed like other animals? The human is cursed with knowing if all you say is true.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Viveka] 1
#18905568 - 09/29/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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what do we do, that other animals do not?
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend] 1
#18905571 - 09/29/13 02:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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they don't try and control everything, for one.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18905607 - 09/29/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: they don't try and control everything, for one.
haha yeah i was actually thinking that exact thing.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend]
#18905610 - 09/29/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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the problem of control. mmm mmm mmmmmmmmm need
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend]
#18905616 - 09/29/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Legend said: what do we do, that other animals do not?
We don't fucking know. Anyone who thinks we know is full of shit.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Viveka]
#18905621 - 09/29/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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how in the fuck is that? people have been observing animals behavior for a long long time. you think we missed something?
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18905625 - 09/29/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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well i sure as hell don't know
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend] 1
#18905629 - 09/29/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i think what he's saying is that we can't know because we aren't them and don't know what their minds are really like, because we don't possess one.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Viveka]
#18905631 - 09/29/13 02:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Except maybe fire a purpose built space craft into orbit or beyond, that's a good one to keep in mind. If any other species has done it I suspect any evidence has been turned under the Earth's crust by now.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Viveka] 1
#18905636 - 09/29/13 02:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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you mean...?
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18905637 - 09/29/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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NOoOOOOoOoOoo, our evil plans!
I though it was taste like crab, talk like people...
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18905638 - 09/29/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira i love you man.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: Legend]
#18905651 - 09/29/13 02:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i feel the stimulus in my bowels. i think that's the love. thanks, man. 
i'm gonna stimulate my anandamide, with a bowl of hash, for cheer.
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Re: Are human beings animals? [Re: akira_akuma]
#18905865 - 09/29/13 05:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is this a question that everyone out of elementary school should be able to immediately answer.
I sound like a dick--I know--sorry.
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