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Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music?
    #18902242 - 09/28/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

..Copyright violation? One can access a band's entire discography, in many cases, especially with old bands. If I was an artist, I would be very upset that people were experiencing my music on YouTube with some sort of video/image montage.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: s240779]
    #18902244 - 09/28/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

thats a good question, one i wouldnt care to ask, i youtube music all the time


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: s240779]
    #18902245 - 09/28/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Some bands get their songs taken down. Others welcome users making videos of their music. Boards of Canada, for example, has an official playlist of their favorite fan-made music videos.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: s240779]
    #18902246 - 09/28/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If I was an artist I'd just be happy that people were listening to and enjoying my music. Successful artists will make the money they need elsewhere with concerts, merchandise etc etc. And smaller artists who are just trying to make it would love the free publicity and the wide reach of youtube.
I don't see why anybody wouldn't want their music there


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: s240779]
    #18902248 - 09/28/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think it is strange that you can get many full albums off you tube. Some artists like Pink Floyd pull most of theirs.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18902249 - 09/28/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

you gotta copy and paste some disclaimer saying you got permission from who made the music to post it or youtube will flag it.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: dontknow]
    #18902257 - 09/28/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't see why anybody wouldn't want their music there




Low quality audio. No order (i.e. the same song uploaded by multiple random people). Artistically disagreeable montages.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: s240779]
    #18902307 - 09/28/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't see why anybody wouldn't want their music there




Low quality audio. No order (i.e. the same song uploaded by multiple random people). Artistically disagreeable montages.



It's not all low quality..
And having multiple people post it just gives you more reach. And by montages do you mean like random pictures in the video during the song? I don't know anyone who cares about those pictures and couldn't see anyone caring about them. If I play a song on youtube I'm more than likely not gonna watch the video anyways.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: dontknow]
    #18902312 - 09/28/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

To make money


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: s240779]
    #18902399 - 09/28/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sure that the owners of the music probably are contacted by the admins of Youtube and perhaps get asked the question if they would mind their music being posted. That's why at times an artist will have an entire playlists of songs on there but then you'll check back at a later date and discover that the admins have removed the entire catalog of videos. Some of them are glad that other people are searching for their music and telling others about it, word spreads around and the artist is soon recognized for his talent and others anxiously await the release of his new music. I'm sure there are some artists that are prone to trying to stop other people from listening to their music without paying, and these artists are usually quick to send a complaint asking for youtube to protect their videos from being viewed.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: s240779]
    #18902503 - 09/28/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Surprisingly, people are posting full movies on YouTube as well.




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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: s240779]
    #18902544 - 09/28/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, you can find full movies and TV episodes, but they get taken down quite often.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: s240779]
    #18902550 - 09/28/13 12:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think the way it works for this stuff is that the site must be warned first by the copyright holder about each violation. If that hasn't happened yet for a particular upload, they can't get in any trouble for it yet. Plus Youtube is owned by Google now, even big media companies would probably rather avoid getting into a legal fight with them.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: psi]
    #18902577 - 09/28/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Youtube doesn't proactively monitor video uploads for copyright violation. Not only is this impracticable, given the amount of videos uploaded to youtube daily, but there is no incentive for youtube to want to remove these videos until the copyright holder takes notice.

That being said, if a copyright holder points out a violation happening on the site, it is removed quickly.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18902594 - 09/28/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Not only is this impracticable, given the amount of videos uploaded to youtube daily,





Google is excellent at writing the type of code that can screen things. You're wrong.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: s240779]
    #18902623 - 09/28/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's more that the burden of responsibility to check everything is on the copyright holders and not on Youtube/Google. They probably could screen everything pretty effectively, but they don't have to so they don't.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: s240779]
    #18902626 - 09/28/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

one hour worth of video uploaded to youtube every second--i'm sorry, but a code to screen all instances of copyright violation is not as simple as you make it seem.

something like this does exist already, btw, Content ID--yet, despite improvement it is still known to be imperfect, and still requires the active participation of the copyright holder

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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18902637 - 09/28/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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one hour worth of video uploaded to youtube every second




Irrelevant. Computer processing is lightning fast.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18902639 - 09/28/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You can get apps for your phone that recognize music off the radio. Google has far more processing power at its disposal.


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Re: Why does YouTube allow the posting of commercial music? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18902654 - 09/28/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

another thing, once one considers 'fair use' exemptions, where things like context come into play, a code is useless and a human is required.



and on an unrelated note, youtube can respond to infringing videos in three ways, depending on what the complainant desires:

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Block — This means that if a content match is found, the video will not be viewable.

Track — The video can stay online, but the content owner will be able to track how many views it receives and from where.

Monetize — Rights holders can choose to serve ads on the content and they will receive revenue from those ads.




something around one third of youtube's revenue is derived from these monetized videos--understandable why they exist


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