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AEL1911
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Psilocybe in Japan?
#18901241 - 09/28/13 12:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Location: Central Japan Elevation is about 75 meters (245ft)
Habitat: Deciduous forest with a floor covered by leaves. I can't identify many trees/plants, but there is some pine in the same area. Possibly Japanese Blue Oak(Quercus glauca) and or Japanese beech (Fagus crenata) in the area. I think the tree that these mushrooms were next to was a Japanese blue beech (Fagus japonica or イヌブナ) but again I don't know the trees here very well.

Gills: Gills are sinuate? I think people on this forum could tell better than I. The color is light-medium brown

Stipe: The stipe is about 30mm(from a dried up sample). Stipe diameter, I don't know. Color is whitish. I'm not sure of the texture. Also is appears to be hollow and thin. Partial veil when young, no remaining annulus.

Cap: 17.72mm (as measured) Conical/campanulate changing to flat. Umbonate and hygrophanous. Initially honey-brown changing to light tan.
 10 yen coin has a diameter of 23.5 mm. The coin is the same colors as a U.S penny

Spore print color: I couldn't get a good spore print. What little I could get was the same color as the gills (brown) I can't get another specimen since they have dried and shrivelled.
Bruising: None.
Other information: The fruiting bodies appear to be caespitose or at least growing from the same mycelium.

I can't take more pictures/measurements. I hope it rains soon so the mushrooms will come back. Sorry for the lack of information and or bad pictures. The Asian tiger mosquitoes are usually swarming around and biting me which causes me to take poor pictures and want to run out of the forest.
I tried looking on every Japanese website I knew and looked through my 2 guides but I couldn't find a mushroom that made me think "that's it!" Yes, photo identification will soon earn me a Ph.D in mycology. It's tough when I have to rely on guides/websites in a language that I barely comprehend.
A species that looks macroscopically close(to me) is (psathyrella multissima センボンクズタケ)
If you guys could possibly identify that would be great, but I understand since some fungi here is limited to Asia or only Japan.
Thanks for your time guys!
Edited by AEL1911 (09/28/13 02:26 AM)
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Signeg


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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: AEL1911]
#18901284 - 09/28/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psathyrella does come to mind, but the spores are brown.
Edited by Signeg (09/28/13 09:50 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: Signeg]
#18901395 - 09/28/13 02:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Galerina species.
Please do not eat these.
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: ambc]
#18901411 - 09/28/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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AEL1911
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: ambc]
#18901446 - 09/28/13 03:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, I have been wondering if I will ever find galerina. I assumed galerina were saprotrophic and that I'd find them on a fallen log, but of course who knows what is under those leaves. I guess what made me wonder was the ubonate cap, whitish stem. Out of all the shrooms I've seen this was the closest to a psilocybe (as far as I know) I'm still going to hope these grow back so I can get a decent spore print. One should know his "enemies" well.
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: AEL1911]
#18901515 - 09/28/13 04:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Galerina often grow on dead wood.
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: AEL1911]
#18901966 - 09/28/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh my guess is you'll encounter more Galerinas if you continue to hunt for mushrooms. that second link I posted earlier is almost all images of Galerinas, just from google. What you also want to watch out for with Galerinas is a blackening of the stem. I've seen it and thought it was bluing for a min before I realized it was the blackening of a Galerina. There have definitely been people who have not realized this or maybe just didn't know to watch for it and have died because they wanted to trip and didn't know there shit well enough. That's one of the reasons this site is here, to help prevent things like that from happening. Thanks for posting!
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: ambc]
#18902189 - 09/28/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Even if you have a yen to eat those, DO NOT!
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: AEL1911]
#18902222 - 09/28/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tubaria?
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: Byrain]
#18902236 - 09/28/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Byrain said: Tubaria?
Kinda looks that way.
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: Ran-D] 1
#18903456 - 09/28/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is a Cortinarius species, a small Telamonia that looks very similar to one we get here in New Zealand, the one below forms a mycorrhizal association with Kunzea ericoides, the one above likely associates with Fagus japonica.
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: inski]
#18904545 - 09/28/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cort was my first instinct but then I convinced myself I was wrong
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: Ran-D]
#18904679 - 09/28/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ran-D said: Cort was my first instinct but then I convinced myself I was wrong 
That was a tough one.
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: Ganzig]
#18906046 - 09/29/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You guys are good! Thanks! I haven't seen many shrooms that exactly match these. It's only been 3 other spots around here, but they lacked the umbo, so I thought these were different. Check the link in my signature!
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: AEL1911]
#18908782 - 09/29/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am 99.999% sure that these are a Galerina, these mushrooms do not have any visible features that place them outside of the genus. Remember there are hundreds of Galerinas, and many are indistinguishable from these macroscopically. So even if they are a different genus they might as well be a Galerina, as far as the majority of people who might read this should be concerned with.
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AEL1911
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: ambc]
#19002059 - 10/19/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sorry to bump an old thread but it turns out that these are Cortinarius galeroides. I'll post a pic later that was in a guidebook I looked at today. My conclusion is based on the guidebook's description and finding pictures on the Internet that are dead on.
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: AEL1911]
#19002082 - 10/19/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's substantive information to add. It justifies bringing it back. And it's your thread.
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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it. If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: canid]
#19002132 - 10/19/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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canid said: That's substantive information to add. It justifies bringing it back. And it's your thread.
Well said Ambassador Canid.
I would totally be down with a Star Fleet ranking system here in the MH&I forum.
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: Ganzig]
#19002139 - 10/19/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No way. They'd make me a redshirt, I just know it.
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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it. If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.
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Re: Psilocybe in Japan? [Re: canid]
#19002607 - 10/20/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This picture looks worse now that I look at it on my computer 

Yes about the justification, I didn't think this section was called "Mushroom hunting and I think it's a...aww whatever who cares."
I guess I feel some sort of accomplishment to be able to walk randomly into the forest, photograph a mushroom in a foreign country and be able to identify it with the information from this forum and guidebooks I can hardly read.
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