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What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds?
    #18900246 - 09/27/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just curious, and has anyone ever done this? Would it cure on the plant, or would it rot? I would think it hard to believe it would rot or mold while still in the ground, and it's so full of oil that it would take awhile before the leaves dropped off and died wouldn't it?


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18900558 - 09/27/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

it will mold, some plants will mold while still growing.... I've seen large crops ruined because of mold


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18900706 - 09/27/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Is there any sign that mold is coming without seeing the mold itself? What exactly do you need to look out for?


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18900723 - 09/27/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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it will mold, some plants will mold while still growing.... I've seen large crops ruined because of mold




Truth. You speak it.

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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18900734 - 09/27/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Is there any sign that mold is coming without seeing the mold itself? What exactly do you need to look out for?




Don't have a great answer....
One major cause can be large temperature swings.
This is especially true for powdery mildew.


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: hgmstl]
    #18901984 - 09/28/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Does this happen with indoor grows or outdoor? I'm mainly asking for outdoor crops because I'm genuinely curious if anyone has ever tried it and what would happen. Watching my own plant it does not seem like it would mold and might even stand a chance of being preserved through the winter.

Some things in peticular I've noticed are that it needs less and less water. I used to water it every 2 days, now it's maybe.. at most, twice a week. The branches are becoming hardy, I suspect not only to support the buds, but because the plant wants to keep the buds dry (or oily) through the winter. It's already getting cold here, especially at night, and thus unlike an indoor grow the plant would effectively be more preserved by the cold and molds and bacteria less encouraged to grow in such an environment.

Also in the last few weeks I've essentially been doing nothing but watering when the pot gets dry/light, often even waiting a couple days after that to do so, and simply watching the changes in the plant. It seems like it is cycling between bud development and killing off/sucking all of the available resources from the older leaves, be they part of the buds themselves or not. As a car salemans might say, 'Anything not covered in crystals MUST go!'. At this point there's brown and yellowed leaves right up to and in line with the cola formation which I would normally trim, but she just seems to know what she's doing so I'm going to let her keep doing it. Based on what I've witnessed so far I expect her to essentially suck these right into the buds themselves which will become nothing but nutrient sources until there's nothing left and the buds themselves will expand around them, becoming bigger, more compact, and of course more covered in crystals/thc. Once this happens I don't plan to water it so much as I simply don't see a reason to do so, why water a plant and then cut it down shortly after only to dry it? I see no reason it can't simply cure on the branch based on my observations so far, and without heat or moisture fungus, molds, and bacteria simply cannot grow. I probably won't wait that long of course, but I just wonder if anyone else has tried it as I really think it'd be fine.


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18902048 - 09/28/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Depends on your climate. Over here, each night the plants are damp from dew, and rarely have good enough days to evaporate it all off, so they just sit there wet, cold, and start to rot. Botrytis cinerea is the culprit


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #18902089 - 09/28/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:.... basically if you notice parts of the buds turning brown in spots, you know mold is in there.... you can pull the bud apart a little to check... I'm talking about outdoor grows mainly, indoor grows are more likely to get powder mildew which is obvious....

hgmstl; yeah I had some flooding in a few houses I been working on but my house is fine, we live kind of on a slope so most of the rain just ran away from us thankfully :bearbreakdance:


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18902140 - 09/28/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nothing good is going to come of this. Well that depends. Eventually, there is a chance that rodelization will occur. That will cause the plant to fertilize itself. Some breeders make feminized seeds this way. That will take some time, and it is hard to keep the plants alive. You will have to deal with odd nutrient requirements and mold issues. Since you have been flushing, chances are all that will happen is that all the leaves will yellow, brown, then die back. That will then happen to the buds. Forcing you to prune it back in preparation for next year.

Most of your conjectures about plants and environments are pretty off. As mostly said, cold nights means dew. Dew condenses on the leaves, then wicks into the buds and gets trapped, the bigger they are, the more likely this is to happen.
Watering at the end is called flushing, and serves a well documented purpose. No need to explain that.
The reason you need to water less is because the temps are lower and there is less evap. As the plants get bigger, and the buds get chunky, the plants actually need and use more water. They are not going dormant.
The stems are not going hard because they are trying to prevent water from moving through them. That doesn't even make sense.


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18902141 - 09/28/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I could see that happening possibly. I'm expecting my one plant to be close to mid-late october until it's time to harvest though, by the time the daily highs will probably be in the low 60's at best though and only get more cold from there. Wonder what she'll do, I'll keep an eye on her so she doesn't start to grow moldy or something, but it also seems that the more time passes the better off she'll be as the temperature dropping will only help to preserve her and stave off molds.


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18902184 - 09/28/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

well out in cali we used to harvest around Halloween, cold temps will actually also increase THC production (for insulation purposes)... just keep in mind, frosts can kill your plant so don't push your luck... I have seen a few plants go through frosts without a problem but most plants (especially sativas) hate the cold...


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18902203 - 09/28/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That is not true. Cold nights do no preserve buds. They help to kill them. Why do you think this is the case?
Just don't let them get rained on. You should be good.


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: Big L]
    #18902213 - 09/28/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

just to clarify, Big L is absolutely correct about the cold.... if it starts frosting at night your plants will die, they prefer 65F at night anything less will stress the plant... some stress is alright but to much will either kill your plant or hermie it


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18902217 - 09/28/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Doesnt stress encourage THC production :confused:.


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18902271 - 09/28/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol, no. Stress is bad. Why would you think stress is good?


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: Big L]
    #18902336 - 09/28/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Because when the plants get too hot they increase THC production. 420MileHigh even just said that the cold will encourage THC production. Isn't the THC produced as a defense mechanism by the plant?

Think of it like this, you don't forge a sword and shield to defend yourself if you have no fear of an attack or even a reason to believe threats exist. You don't waste time creating sweaters, jackets, electric heaters, etc. if it never gets too cold. You don't make sunscreen, hats, visors, tshirts and shorts if it never gets too hot. Why would plants be any different? Plants, like humans, are constantly adapting to their surroundings. If the surroundings don't change then neither will that which they are surrounding.


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18902620 - 09/28/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

yeah you should have cooler nights (65F) and warmer days, this does encourage resin production.... but past 65F it starts stressing it


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: 420milehigh]
    #18904949 - 09/28/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It depemds some people strip the bark around the base of the stem so it turns brown n sorta cures on the plant..

This is actually my favorite way to dry.. It helps the plant lose the green.


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: DoSedLiving]
    #18905002 - 09/28/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wnat does the green turn into?


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18905040 - 09/28/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The chlorophyll degrades.. IDK..
Ask wiccan..


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18909166 - 09/29/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

For the record: Trichomes protect the plant from UV rays and one way of increasing trichomes is to increase UV light and not through cold or heat stress.


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: karode13]
    #18909671 - 09/30/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You know how leaves turn red then brown in fall?
That is happening cause the chlorophyll degrades and so the colors you see are from the other chloroplasts in the plant until tey degrade and the leaves are just brown.

AFAIK the point of curing is the try and recreate this, maybetheres more to it scientifically but all I know that happens is you want a little bit of the green to go away to give a smoother smoke.. Among other things, but this is the main and most obvious thing going on, cause chlorophyll causes for a harsh smoke.

IME if you break a branch that's holing a nug real good, but not enough to break it off the plant, this can speed up the degradation of the chloroplasts.. The thing is is to break it enough so this happens, but not to much where you just basically broke it off the plant. You want this to happen over a week or two, I cant remember its been a couple years...  This way gives you a smooth smoke that's ready to smoke right off the plant. Its definitely way better than weed youd just harvested and dried out and smoked.. Maybe the bud uses thechlorophyl as a last resort for energy to try and keep growing the bud or something??


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: DoSedLiving]
    #18910774 - 09/30/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That makes a lot of sense actually and would explain blue, purple, or otherwise odd colored hairs on the buds which you don't see elsewhere in nature (besides flowers of course).

I suspect that as the stems dry out and the plant ages this is actually the oils leaving the stems and roots and being sent up to the buds as warmth, likely to help catch more sunsine as a preservation mechanism. Totally guessing on that, but it makes sense, and likewise this is why you want the stems cracker dry before curing as it concentrates all of the oil into the foilage, and then the curing process helps concentrate the oil on the surface which along with it comes the perhamones(?) which produce the lovely smell. If you shake and bobble the plant around as well as lift up the pot (if they're in pots) you can even feel the concentration of oils throughout the plant (if you know the weight of your pot/soil + water within it, it helps to do this when it's dry). I've always thought that when growing they produce the smell similar to a stress response much like humans do when sweating alot/exercising and it's not actually a good thing, basically if you can smell the plant while it's growing I take it to mean some of the active chemicals are leaving the plant for one reason or another. I only have noticed mine smelling when it needs water, when it gets too hot, and especially when I take a cutting, otherwise it smells like nothing or maybe even simply a pine tree or something.


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Re: What would happen to a plant if you didn't harvest the buds? [Re: krypto2000]
    #18910969 - 09/30/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well I know without a doubt cold will induce purpleing of the buds


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