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Big Fat Kick Drum
    #18900012 - 09/27/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Added to my studio and working on my kit....added a 20x18" Pearl Reference Series Kick drum.  4 plies of mahoganoy and 2 of maple...sounds great....also added a 13 inch pearl brass piccolo snare......

I also have a Zildjian 15" A series new beat hi-hat and DW9000 hi-hat pedal stand coming......:awesomenod:


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18900016 - 09/27/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So jealous. I need a new bass drum. Mine is a piece of shit.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: NetDiver]
    #18900043 - 09/27/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

these pearl reference series drums are some series fucking drums.  It's going to take months of piece-wise buying to finish this kit.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18900074 - 09/27/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

jeezsus...you are an instrumental teaser, you instrumental teaser you.. :sexymeow:


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: zZZz]
    #18900097 - 09/27/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to add a couple of Tom's to this kit, then a floor tom, and a crash and ride cymbal.  I'm only buying the best stuff so it is taking a while.  And let me tell you these reference drums sound fucking gorgeous but goddamn they are expensive.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18900138 - 09/27/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

they look fucking gorgeous. i knew it had a great sound the second i saw it.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: zZZz]
    #18900151 - 09/27/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Do you know the pearl reference series?  they go from composite birch maple shells in the small toms to mahagony/maple shells in the big toms and bass drum.  the snare is 20 ply birch maple.  And they weigh a ton.  all super heavy stainless hardware, etc. 


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: zZZz]
    #18900180 - 09/27/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

now i do. what a beautiful set. i would definitely be willing to spend a few grand on a set like that.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: zZZz]
    #18900217 - 09/27/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

this kick has a really nice sharp attack, like a modern kick, but with the warmth of old vintage drums.  Kind of reminds me of the old ludwigs with maple/mahogany, without as much interior 'reverb'  Much tigher. 

I got sold on these using the sset on addictive drums, a reference set and playing my roland v-pads with them, fuck they sound good just aas virtual drums.  I heard the snare is like the fucking shit but goddam a new one costs $900 bucks. 

Here is my other snare, Ian Paice steel 14x6.5. 


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18900491 - 09/27/13 08:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Incidentally, some of the pros who play reference kits are Dennis Chambers and Omar Hakim....


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18900527 - 09/27/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Great choice with the hi-hat stand, I'm using the same currently and have no faults with it.
I prefer, and currently use, all birch shells with a 20x22 7-ply kick using an Evans EMAD2 clear head.
DW9000 pedals on the kick as well. Good setup, man.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18900530 - 09/27/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i saw a youtube video on PR a few minutes ago and i just noticed they were in it



dennis c was pretty damn good.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: something super extreme]
    #18900542 - 09/27/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Im not sure what im going to use as heads.  I just put a remo renaissance emperor coated on the 3x13 piccolo and it sounds fucking great.  (clear ambassador on the other side.  I've hear the coated emperors are really good for large toms/snares, and coated ambassadors for small toms.  But i think its a matter of ear.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18900551 - 09/27/13 08:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

dennis chambers is about the best fucking jazz drummer can think of.  goddamn is he ever tight.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18900602 - 09/27/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'd fucking die for that kit that has 3 floor toms and about 6 small toms, but goddamn, that would be like 8 grand.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18900639 - 09/27/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't have much of a tom-boner, personally. I have two floor and two rack and seldom find myself desiring more.
I only ended up spending around $2300 on shells. Cymbals are where all of my money went, man.

I've got a 20" K Custom crash ride, an 18" Sabian AAX stage crash, 16" A Custom fast crash, 14" Paiste Signature fast crash, a 15" Sabian AAX china, 10" Paiste Signature splash, 7.5" Paiste 2002 cup chime, 13" Sabian AA hats and a 21" Zildjian sweet ride. That's just what's currently in rotation for me, too.

I've always been a fan of a "less-is-more" approach to building my kits since I really started to develop as a drummer.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: something super extreme]
    #18900696 - 09/27/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i was just getting ready to pm you about cymbals.  Im getting the 15 zildjian new beat hh just because of how smooth and mellow it sounds, but i really like Paiste Crashes and Rides because ive always been a big fan of Ian Paice.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18900792 - 09/27/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've got a bit of a hard-on for fast crashes in particular, and I'll swear by Paiste's signature fast crash as one of the best.
But goddamn, the A Custom is one gorgeous fast crash as well.

As for hats, I like a bright, ping-y closed and a long wash for the open tone, so I went for the AA hats. I'm going to be grabbing some AAX Fusion hi-hats soon, since they're far brighter. I've had these hats for a minute, too, so I'm ready for a lil' switch-up.

It's nice to have a drum-nut around here, too. :thumbup:


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: something super extreme]
    #18900950 - 09/27/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I like toms because i like the clackety-clack sound of a drummer going around the toms in a big concert.  But im thinking, i am more into jazz, etc, so i am thinking of smaller toms an 8 10 12 and 14 hanging and a 16 floor.  I like a lot of cymbals too, i really like paiste signature cymbals but fuck they are expensive.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18900992 - 09/27/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I've got a 10x6.5 and 12x7 rack and a 14x12 plus a 16x14 floor.
Sometimes I don't even bring out the 16", but I tend to stray on the side of very utilitarian kit construction.
I wouldn't mind playing around with a massive rack of toms sometime, but it's just not practical for my everyday applications. :lol:


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: something super extreme]
    #18901006 - 09/27/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

well, yea, you are right, but after seeing dennis chambers run around that kitwth like 10 fucking toms, its like, fuck, I wouldn't turn it down if i had the money


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18903639 - 09/28/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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    #18904255 - 09/28/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

a bump, if anyone would discuss


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18905598 - 09/29/13 02:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ahhhh man, Dennis is the man, as is Cobham, Williams, Jones, Thompson, Collins, Laang, Carey, Alexander, Chamberlain, Colauita...but ok, now we're in instrumental fetishist territory...Peart, Portnoy, Bonham, Buddy, but at a certain point its like funk all dat. Just groove that shit and don't sit there like you've got it figured out, don't sit there and play a 'rock' groove longer than you have to.





Jizazz?




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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: Viveka]
    #18905641 - 09/29/13 02:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

King Crimson.....  :awesomenod:

Carl Palmer......  :awesomenod:



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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18905660 - 09/29/13 02:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'll see your Palmer and raise you some Fred,

sorry no live video...



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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: Viveka]
    #18905674 - 09/29/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Too dated....was John McLauglin on that album? 

Here is a bit more modern fusion taste.....Greg howe Ripping the guitar a neww asshole with DC on durms......



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    #18909505 - 09/29/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Too dated? Watchu mean man? No that's Holdsworth on guitar. Do you have that album? I swear it sounds as fresh today as the falling rain, get it in a 16bit wav at least.

I dig DC but he's just so damn clinical, though that's not to say he doesn't groove like none other and get out there. I like his playing on the Industrial Zen album with Mclaughlin. Check out what he doesn't play on Wayne's Way, so tasty. (Sorry, couldn't find it on youtube)

You know who else played the shit out of some tunes with McLaughlin but gets little credit was Narada Michael Walden on Visions of the Inner Mounting Flame (and Apocalypse). He channels Cobham and I dare say out-funky's him.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: Viveka]
    #18909782 - 09/30/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have just about every album you can think of by Mclaughlin....Some of his newer stuff is jut absolutely incredible.  But, 'Inner Worlds' one of his rare and old Mahavishnu albums probably is my favorite.  Whenever I do mescaline, I HAVE to listen to this song from that album....

I don't know who was playing drums, but fuck, he is incredible, maybe it is Cobham.


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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18909814 - 09/30/13 02:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nah man, that's Michael Walden! Like I said, he channels Cobham well but he has a special kind of crispness, lightness, playfulness in his style. I didn't mention Inner Worlds along with the other two Narada Maha records because I sorta forgot about it because that album underwhelmed me when I was hard into my fusion phase but I know it's one of those records that I'll come back to, thanks for reminding me about it. Walden's friggin awesome but he's spent most of his career producing Soul R&B divas, Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, lol...

Here's a track(two actually, the main one dedicated to McLaughlin) from Walden's first 'solo' album, released the same year as Inner Worlds, 1976, golden year for music:



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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: Viveka]
    #18909888 - 09/30/13 03:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

BIG FAT KICK DRUM :loveeyes:



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Re: Big Fat Kick Drum [Re: Beanhead]
    #18912256 - 09/30/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That looks nice man. I bet it sounds pristine. How do you have it set up to record?

If I had the space and money for it I would definitely get a nice set of drums for my musical endevors. Percussion is my weak spot when it comes to producing but I recently bought maschine mk II which is the most amazing digital drumming software I've used.


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