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5 Gallon Buckets
    #18900009 - 09/27/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have started using 5 gallon buckets for my oysters.  I'm using 3/8" holes spaced about every 4".  They pinned rather thick with 20 or so pins it seemed coming out of every hole and none of them seem to be aborting so they are smaller than I'd like them to be.  Heres some pics.  I'm wondering how many holes other people are using and if maybe I just have too many holes?  They are P. columbinus and humidity seems to be right at least according to my cheap acurite from walmart which I don't expect to run long and though I"m working on fae I'm pretty sure its getting enough.  If anyone has any advice or anything input please do.  Thanks for looking.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18900362 - 09/27/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nice job Cap. I think I read somewhere in this forum about spacing and number of holes. Guess this would be handy for me to know as well since 8 buckets that I am going to start next week (fingers crossed). If I find the thread I will post the link in this thread.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: cubenpete]
    #18900667 - 09/27/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

From what i read I thought I deduced the best answer.  Still looking today I see buckets with similar hole size/spacing and less/bigger mushrooms.  Maybe it was too much spawn?  Experience and tweaking conditions will soon tell.  I have 6 buckets or so fruiting at the moment and about 8 more colonizing.  Small or not its still progress getting this many mushrooms!  I also wish you luck in your endeavors!


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18900735 - 09/27/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, been searching and came up with the same thing. For instance some growers use laundry baskets and they have lots of holes and some are wildly spaced.

I did however come across a post that described picking to be much easier with 3/8-1/2 holes, in that they do less damage to the sub by holding it in during harvest.

Thanks for the wish of luck and don't forget to keep us posted.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: cubenpete]
    #18901281 - 09/28/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)


These are 3 1/2 gallon buckets.  Holes are 3/8". (they appear larger .. but if you look closely, you'll see an aborted little cluster over each hole making them appear larger)

I did new buckets with less holes (20 as opposed to 30) trying to cut down on the aborts.  I am fruiting outside so I love the moisture retention of the bucket.

Really just trying to figure it out here.

These are pearl oysters.  very forgiving mushroom.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: uncle_rico]
    #18901933 - 09/28/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think that hole size/spacing is good.  P. columbinus always seems to make way more pins than it can support.  Sometimes it will abort some itself, but when it doesn't, I'm wondering if it might be a good idea to prune some off so you get fewer, bigger mushrooms.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Forrester]
    #18902165 - 09/28/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I must have picked a good 2 lbs or more off each bucket.  Hardly any seemed to abort but they had to share the substrate so I'm thinking had I thinned the herd I would have had bigger clusters.  They looked great either way and I'll let you know how they taste very soon :smile:


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18904482 - 09/28/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

nice job.  i've put 15-20 broadhead holes per 75lb straw log with 1/4-1 pound bouquets.  you could probably get away with 5 holes if you're after bigger clusters.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: drake89]
    #18904494 - 09/28/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How much would you cull Forrester? 1/3rd?


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Ganzig]
    #18907489 - 09/29/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I picked some before leaving this weekend and left some on as well and those that I left on were much bigger.  Maybe I just picked them too early or lessening the load made them bigger.  Experiments will tell.  I'm going to try half the holes and see what happens.  If you had to guess how many 5 gallon buckets would equal your logs Drake?


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Ganzig]
    #18907510 - 09/29/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Cap. how long did you wait before birthing?


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Stevei]
    #18907570 - 09/29/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

On the ones that had invitro pinned I fruited them as soon as I noticed the pins even though the shiitake werent browned.  Now for the shiitake that I let brown all the way I"m just now starting to fruit them.  I had awesome fruits on the ones that prepinned though.  Just with the kings since i leave them in the bag the invitro pins weren't all in the right place.  I even threw some shiitake blocks out back that showed the slightest sign of green and after dunking them they have been fruiting for weeks now and amazing fruits and amounts.  And they still don't show hardly a sign of browning.  I may experiment one day with a side by side of one I let brown to one that has just popcorned or maybe even is just white.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18907820 - 09/29/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I still thing if you had left those oysters longer in the dark they might have got bigger.

My laundry baskets got big oysters on straw with no supplements.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18908119 - 09/29/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ganzig, yeah maybe like 1/3 or 1/2, I'm not sure...  I'll have to try it next time and see!

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I picked some before leaving this weekend and left some on as well and those that I left on were much bigger.  Maybe I just picked them too early or lessening the load made them bigger.  Experiments will tell.  I'm going to try half the holes and see what happens.  If you had to guess how many 5 gallon buckets would equal your logs Drake?




I think it may be like you said, from lessening the load.  I just did a small bucket and none of the clusters aborted.  They all grew to only a very small size and were done, stopped growing, edges curling up getting ready to spore.  I harvested them but left on two single mushrooms just because they were too small to bother harvesting.  A few days later I noticed those mushrooms had grown pretty large, bigger than any of the first ones I harvested.  I guess it had some "energy" left and only those 2 mushrooms to put it in :shrug:


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18908215 - 09/29/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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  If you had to guess how many 5 gallon buckets would equal your logs Drake?




I dunno maybe 2-3?  Like I said they weigh 75lbs wet, give or take 10lbs.

Small clusters is not necessarily a bad thing if you're doing retail, bigger ones are usually better for restaurants.  But I see if you're getting aborts then use less holes.

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I may experiment one day with a side by side of one I let brown to one that has just popcorned or maybe even is just white.




eh, if you have GGMM, stamets says that he fruits them as soon as they pin or whatever.  you can tell i don't know what i'm talking about with shiitake, as I've never fruited them.  but yeah he says he starts fruiting them before they brown.  others will tell you yields are better when you let them sit for months at a time.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18908274 - 09/29/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well
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On the ones that had invitro pinned I fruited them as soon as I noticed the pins even though the shiitake werent browned.  Now for the shiitake that I let brown all the way I"m just now starting to fruit them.  I had awesome fruits on the ones that prepinned though.  Just with the kings since i leave them in the bag the invitro pins weren't all in the right place.  I even threw some shiitake blocks out back that showed the slightest sign of green and after dunking them they have been fruiting for weeks now and amazing fruits and amounts.  And they still don't show hardly a sign of browning.  I may experiment one day with a side by side of one I let brown to one that has just popcorned or maybe even is just white.



This post was meant to go on another thread or I got the two mixed up somehow lol I have been waiting on average 10 days before fruiting a couple buckets lately I've stuck in after about 8 or 9 days just because i've heard of ppl letting them colonize in the same spot they will be fruited.  I may try leaving them in the dark longer though and see if that helps.  My first buckets were P. pulmonarius followed by 2 P. columbinus buckets which i was picturing but the rest are of the HK culture which I know is good genetics.  So depending on what I get as a result from them I will start tweaking more with my greenhouse.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19088861 - 11/05/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My HK finally started to fruit and I have been getting first flushes over the past week or two.  I'd like to know if you guys who do buckets dunk yoru soak your buckets between flushes in any ways.  When I lift the lids off they seem to be plenty hydrated and my holes are only 3/8" on most of them so not much is lost through evaporation.  Also another question.  I have made a point to only buy food grade buckets for this.  Is there any real reason to do this with this particular use of it?


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19088889 - 11/05/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't dunk my buckets at all.  I tried it once with a few buckets, didn't seem to make any difference.

All my buckets are food grade, you never know what people put in buckets.
I'd rather pay a little extra and sleep better at night knowing I'm not poisoning people.
Maybe I'm trippin' though.. :shrug:

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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: FoxFire]
    #19088898 - 11/05/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

All my buckets were brand new.  its 5 bucks with lid though.  where its as low as 2 for regular ones.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19088933 - 11/05/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This might help, check the number on the bottom.
http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-Food-Grade-Buckets
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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: FoxFire]
    #19089229 - 11/05/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well that article is interesting.  I checked my lowes-non food grade bucket, my menards food grade buckets and menards regular buckets.  They all have a 2 in the recycling arrows so they are the same plastic!  Yet both companies sell the ones they label as food grade for 2x as much.  I dont konw exactly what the difference is.  I know usually the cheaper ones have a colored plastic opposed to white.  Is that wher ethey become non food grade.  If i'm getting the article right anything with a 2 should be good no matter what correct?


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19089321 - 11/05/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yet another reason I like to line with a bag, then the substrate never touches the bucket.
Of course if I was selling them I would definitely want to use food grade too...


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: Forrester]
    #19089667 - 11/05/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

See thats another thing I forgot to mention.  I started lining my buckets too but I wonder if the plastic on the trash bags is considered food grade?  I have to check to see what the label says on that but yeah that may help a bit too to relieve my mind on using regular buckets.  I mean they are the same plastic from what i'm reading.  Hopefully someone can correct me if i'm wrong :smile:


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19090609 - 11/05/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My buckets are from mayonnaise 10kg and 5kg size. Тhe owner of a fast food restaurant give me. :grin:
Certainly is bad to do the checking, after you fill your buckets with substrate. :tongue:


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19091005 - 11/05/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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See thats another thing I forgot to mention.  I started lining my buckets too but I wonder if the plastic on the trash bags is considered food grade?  I have to check to see what the label says on that but yeah that may help a bit too to relieve my mind on using regular buckets.  I mean they are the same plastic from what i'm reading.  Hopefully someone can correct me if i'm wrong :smile:




I see you have already found how confusing the world of plastics is :smile:

Probably why we didn't figure out until recently just how profoundly harmful endocrine disruptors can be.

Anyway, I'm not exactly an expert but studied this my senior year.  Trash can bags are not necessarily food grade, but you could be doing worse.  Anything food grade cannot contain phthalates, like ziplocs and cling wrap.  BPA is in the lining of damn near every canned food or drink, so I would be more concerned with those sorts of things.  And stay away from PVC, styrofoam, and teflon if you can.

the book 'slow death by rubber duck' is quite interesting on this subject.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: snakebite]
    #19092196 - 11/05/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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My buckets are from mayonnaise 10kg and 5kg size. Тhe owner of a fast food restaurant give me. :grin:
Certainly is bad to do the checking, after you fill your buckets with substrate. :tongue:




The buckets I checked against the ones i use to fruit in were just random buckets I have for various things around the house.  Every bucket I have something fruiting in was bought as a food grade labeled bucket.  I would not switch to anything else without being sure of its use.  Even though no one else would likely realise the diference in the buckets i'm using,  I am trying to found a business and want my customers to be able to trust in me and what I produce :wink:  The only reason I'm debating this is because I need more and I would love to know the cheaper buckets are safe to use as well.  Till then I'll just keep paying the higher rate.  Well actually my next round will be all supplemented oyster blocks in the usual unicorn bags for comparison on yields.  But time will tell which I prefer.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19092775 - 11/05/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



I've been using these food grade (get them from a bakery) 3.8 gallon buckets.  They are clear which makes watching the colonization of the substrate possible.


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    #19094368 - 11/06/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That transparency rocks!  I need to start asking around but everytime I go to subway and such I only find ppl who don't want to do anything more than they have to :/  After today though I will have no shortness of bags for a while or at least a few months so I have time to find a cheaper alternative.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19094729 - 11/06/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Last 7 days I worked on my Oyster mushroom, Aloha lime method. Made 112 from  5kg buckets and 66  buckets of 10kg. I agree with all that is better in buckets of Oyster mushroom cultivation. Filling buckets with the substrate is at least 3 times faster.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: snakebite]
    #19095404 - 11/06/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

slow death by rubber duck is such a funny name for a book.


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    #19096785 - 11/06/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That transparency rocks!  I need to start asking around but everytime I go to subway and such I only find ppl who don't want to do anything more than they have to :/  After today though I will have no shortness of bags for a while or at least a few months so I have time to find a cheaper alternative.




Unless something has changed in the past 10 years,  subway isn't the place to find buckets. We got all of our condiments in plastic bags.

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    #19097416 - 11/06/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That transparency rocks!  I need to start asking around but everytime I go to subway and such I only find ppl who don't want to do anything more than they have to :/  After today though I will have no shortness of bags for a while or at least a few months so I have time to find a cheaper alternative.




Unless something has changed in the past 10 years,  subway isn't the place to find buckets. We got all of our condiments in plastic bags.

Hit up real restaurants.




You might also try bakeries, I understand they get icing and other ingredients in them and can generally be had inexpensively.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: OICU812]
    #19098187 - 11/06/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There's a korean soon tofu place near where I live that just has a massive stack of them outside for the tofu. Go for the soon tofu if not the buckets. I keep meaning to grab them but I'm so afraid of having an awkward conversation with the owners who probably only sorta speak english.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: cmspice]
    #19099542 - 11/07/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Don't be ascared, just because someone doesn't speak fluent English doesn't mean they're not nice people! They're probably all stacked up because they don't know what to do with them but they don't want to just throw them away!


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: cmspice]
    #19102950 - 11/07/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There's a korean soon tofu place near where I live that just has a massive stack of them outside for the tofu. Go for the soon tofu if not the buckets. I keep meaning to grab them but I'm so afraid of having an awkward conversation with the owners who probably only sorta speak english.



That Korean guy will likely take more interest in your mushrooms than the average person. 
Subway was just one place I was considering but good to know I shouldnt waste my time :smile:  Firehouse subs on the other hand I do know sells their buckets for 2 bucks and I believe donates this to a cause but not wholly sure. 
@snakebite-yeha buckets are definitely very quick to prepare.  One problme i'm trying to remedy is the lids tend to collect water on them which I don't like.  Also, especially for the qty. your doing, you have to have a decent space to clean that many shoudl you have a cold season in your area which i'm not even sure you have.  Still you have a nice qty of buckets going and I can't wait to see these in action!  How do these compare to diameter of the 5 gallon buckets which would be around 2.2 kg?  I only ask because i'm curious to know if after a certain diameter does all that center substrate have any affect on the actual harvest, at least before it shrinks to a smaller diameter?  If not once it gets down to have an effect the oysters would be fruiting inside the buckets.  Still please share your pics!
I will be experimenting as I think I said with supplemented blocks to see if its advantageous enough on the yield to switch.  I'm also trying sawdust buckets atm as opposed to straw buckets, which yeah are slower, but once you get on a schedule so long as the required amount are ready each week i'd think that extra colonization time would be negligible unless i'm not thinking about this right.  Which I may be as I have not slept in almost 2 days after spending time in the hospital with a family member :frown:


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    #21365891 - 03/05/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

How many pounds of mushrooms are you getting out of that 5 gallon bucket?


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    #21365949 - 03/05/15 12:38 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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There's a korean soon tofu place near where I live that just has a massive stack of them outside for the tofu. Go for the soon tofu if not the buckets. I keep meaning to grab them but I'm so afraid of having an awkward conversation with the owners who probably only sorta speak english.



That Korean guy will likely take more interest in your mushrooms than the average person. 
Subway was just one place I was considering but good to know I shouldnt waste my time :smile:  Firehouse subs on the other hand I do know sells their buckets for 2 bucks and I believe donates this to a cause but not wholly sure. 
@snakebite-yeha buckets are definitely very quick to prepare.  One problme i'm trying to remedy is the lids tend to collect water on them which I don't like.  Also, especially for the qty. your doing, you have to have a decent space to clean that many shoudl you have a cold season in your area which i'm not even sure you have.  Still you have a nice qty of buckets going and I can't wait to see these in action!  How do these compare to diameter of the 5 gallon buckets which would be around 2.2 kg?  I only ask because i'm curious to know if after a certain diameter does all that center substrate have any affect on the actual harvest, at least before it shrinks to a smaller diameter?  If not once it gets down to have an effect the oysters would be fruiting inside the buckets.  Still please share your pics!
I will be experimenting as I think I said with supplemented blocks to see if its advantageous enough on the yield to switch.  I'm also trying sawdust buckets atm as opposed to straw buckets, which yeah are slower, but once you get on a schedule so long as the required amount are ready each week i'd think that extra colonization time would be negligible unless i'm not thinking about this right.  Which I may be as I have not slept in almost 2 days after spending time in the hospital with a family member :frown:




I found a local bakery by me that sells buckets for a buck a piece. The McDonalds by me gets rid of their 5 gallon pickle buckets too.


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    #21366597 - 03/05/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

about how many pounds of spawn for a 5 gallon bucket?


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about how many pounds of spawn for a 5 gallon bucket?



I only made my comment in regard to bucket price. I buy and use for hydroponic setup in a greenhouse for veggies. I have yet to use for spawning edibles. I'm sure one of the other members can give you a good answer. Take care!:super:


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: ya der eh]
    #21368450 - 03/05/15 09:52 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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about how many pounds of spawn for a 5 gallon bucket?



I only made my comment in regard to bucket price. I buy and use for hydroponic setup in a greenhouse for veggies. I have yet to use for spawning edibles. I'm sure one of the other members can give you a good answer. Take care!:super:




One quart of spawn works, two works better, (yield-wise), anything more than that is adding supplementation and can increase yields.  I like to use two quarts per bucket, they seem to do well that way.

It just depends on how much spawn you want to make and can afford to use in your buckets.  Obviously if you're doing 20-30 buckets, you don't want to use 5 quarsts of spawn in each, that would be costly and a lot more work.


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    #21369447 - 03/06/15 06:31 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you for the response forrster right now im using brewers grains as spawn so 5 pounds is just as cheep as 1 qt :thumbup:
I would like to do some half and half buckets with reishi on bottom and oyster on top
I understand a entire bucket of each would perform better but i like novelty grows and just grow for fun.
You guys think i can get them both to fruit in one bucket?Would one eventually eat the other :crazy2:


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    #21369503 - 03/06/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

quick question. Can these buckets can be placed in a room or do they have to be inside a greenhouse?


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    #21369884 - 03/06/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

as long as your RH is right you can put them anywhere you want. :thumbup:


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    #21374404 - 03/07/15 12:21 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Remember that spent brewery grain is already stripped of most of its sugars and starches, so it is nowhere near as nutritious as whole grains.  It's better for use as a supplement.
I've been thinking of making spawn bags that are 50/50 whole grains/brewery grains and using that on pasteurized sawdust or straw so you can still supplement without the need to sterilize your final fruiting substrate. :strokebeard:

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    #21374422 - 03/07/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I use the SPG as my spawn wouldn't the substrate have all the nutes i need?


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    #21374430 - 03/07/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Possibly, but your yields might be lower and colonization times slower.
Not saying it doesn't work, it's just not ideal.  You want some whole grains in there.

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    #21374494 - 03/07/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

I hear you, but its free so maybe the 5 pounds will equal out to one quart of something more nutritious :shrug: .At the least it will have a lot more surface area.


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    #22688839 - 12/22/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I apologize for bumping into this thread. I have been doing bags, and the shrinkage is extremely noticeable in my 5-6# bags, but how much shrinkage are you getting in the 5 gallon pail? is it enough to allow the 2nd or 3rd flush to grow inside the pail? If so how did you resolve this issue? :takingnotes:


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    #22689565 - 12/23/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Mine didn't shrink that much.  I always got a solid 3rd or even 4th flush from the buckets without fruits growing inside the bucket.

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    #22689731 - 12/23/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks. :cool: I was having mold issues with my FC, so I wanted to go to buckets and just tent bucket logs and after each use throw away the tent plastic.
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    #22690225 - 12/23/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

If you're having contamination issues buckets are a horrible way to go. Buckets are really hard to clean after use especially if they were contaminated. I tried buckets for a while and had issues with initiating pinset, core temperatures getting too high, and cleaning the pails. Poly straw logs are the industry standard for a reason, pails are cool for projects and fiddling but production sized grows are typically poly logs.


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If you're having contamination issues buckets are a horrible way to go. Buckets are really hard to clean after use especially if they were contaminated. I tried buckets for a while and had issues with initiating pinset, core temperatures getting too high, and cleaning the pails. Poly straw logs are the industry standard for a reason, pails are cool for projects and fiddling but production sized grows are typically poly logs.




Thank you Gr0wer, my mold had to do with the shelving that the bags were growing on, not inside the bags. I was just cleaning up my FC after my 1st grow, (Another thread you and I were talking on about using hydrated lime and wood pellets, I decided to only supplement with additional seed by the way) I didn't get TRIC until the 3rd flush)and all of my shelves had mold on them. (Could those shelves just be sprayed down with 1% bleach between flushes?) I was thinking that the buckets could be stacked, no shelving needed, and that I could then bleach the FC area where the buckets were during fruiting, while that set of buckets were resting.
I just don't have enough figured out yet, before farmers market season, and the 1 restaurant that said he would take 20#'s per week, if/when I could produce them.(since our 1st conversation, he has open a 2nd restaurant, so the qty may be more than that too)
I was thinking of using 2 gallon buckets from WallyWorld kitchen @ fitycent each, with hardwood pellets and plastic bag liners.
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I have a huge haymow out at the farm that is about 3400sq ft that I can move to if I start making ends meet.
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If you're having contamination issues buckets are a horrible way to go. Buckets are really hard to clean after use especially if they were contaminated. I tried buckets for a while and had issues with initiating pinset, core temperatures getting too high, and cleaning the pails. Poly straw logs are the industry standard for a reason, pails are cool for projects and fiddling but production sized grows are typically poly logs.




All the people I know that don't have their whole infa structure dedicated to straw logs are switching to filter bags.  Soybean hull pellets and wood pellets 50-50 yield better than straw and much less time between flushes.  That and you can avoid flies in incubation even if they're there.


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Re: 5 Gallon Buckets [Re: drake89]
    #22695012 - 12/24/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Do they put bran in with the wood pellets and soybean hulls? Was it you thats converting to this style grow?


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    #22695333 - 12/24/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Just out of curiosity why filter bags instead of logs?  If the advantage of soybean/wood pellets is better yield, couldn't you run those as logs too?  Or would they be too heavy?


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    #22695339 - 12/24/15 03:44 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You steam sterilize the bags, that's why it's in filter bags and not normal poly tubes. From what i can gather the advantages are not only possibility of higher BE but better usage of space. You basically make walls of logs with fruits facing outwards.


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    #22695363 - 12/24/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Isn't bulk pasteurization of straw easier than full sterilization and the amount of work that has to be done in sterile conditions to get semi-equivalent amounts of substrate?


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    #22695417 - 12/24/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Once you have a flowhood its not much harder. And straw makes a mess. Im sure i could inoculate 18 10 lb bags faster then spawn fill and pack 6 30 lb logs. And cleanup would take a fraction of the time as the mess straw makes. Also 30-40 lb logs get heavy over time.  You can steam sterilize in large vessels just like you would bulk pasteurize in.


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Makes sense.  Thanks for the info.

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