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Invisibletheshiftingwalls
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Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate.
    #1849280 - 08/25/03 08:15 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I was wondering if you put Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds in the substrate, it would help increase the mushrooms alkaloid content?

(e.g. 50/50 mix)


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1850155 - 08/26/03 01:16 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Try it, or you could accidently use chemical pestcides like me.


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: Datrutankdogg69]
    #1850193 - 08/26/03 01:28 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Ya I'm getting the seeds from Boucingb, so there not treated with pesticides and %100 organic.


I just have to peel off the outer layer with my hand for each seed.

Will the myc colonize the seeds?


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1850600 - 08/26/03 05:58 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I'll try soon...
and also morning glory seeds, anyone tried them?...


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: ]
    #1851027 - 08/26/03 12:19 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm, interesting suggestion. Is there a large amount of tryptamine in HBWR? That would deffinatly increase the potency if there is..


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: Rohypnol]
    #1851037 - 08/26/03 12:23 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I just thought of something. Shrooms have an ability to absorb and concentrate toxins, right? Well, isn't psilocybin technically a toxin? How about growing shrooms on a medium with some shroom powder thrown in? At the very least, the tryptamine should stimulate further production of psilocybin and psilocin in the growing mushies...


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: Rohypnol]
    #1852385 - 08/26/03 08:06 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I think you might find the shroom powder idea is counterproductive :smile:

Its not a bad idea (in the spirit of trying things different) though for innoculation, that is if dried specimens are able to be reactivated.  Anybody know that?



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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: utopianglory]
    #1853107 - 08/26/03 11:51 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

True you might be better off just eating the shrooms, but if you wanted to make some sort of supeprshroom, that would be pretty cool.


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: Rohypnol]
    #1853188 - 08/27/03 12:16 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

-Morning glories would be a waste of time.

-If your treating HBWR as a grain make sure you do not pasteurize, keep them in the cool (not heat!).

-HBWR has tryptamine-like related chems, I guess? I know it has LSA and ergot-like chems.

-Mushroom powder is a waste of money and time. Because HBWR is very cheap to buy. So you can use tons.

This might be something ground breaking in alkaloid production.
I would put 700 seeds in the substrate.


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1853840 - 08/27/03 04:02 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

heat destroys the lsa right? so you wouldn't be able to pressure cook it. But i think thats what was being said above me, so...yeah.


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: Skaloser]
    #1854011 - 08/27/03 06:05 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Hrm. You could use HBWR as part of a casing substrate.


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1857851 - 08/28/03 05:15 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I'm curious why you say morning glories would be a waste of time? They have a very similar alkaloid make up to hbwr. In any case, does anyone actually have a reason to believe that the alkaloids would absorb or be converted in any way by the mushrooms, or are we working entirely on a wild guess? As far as my understanding of this property of mushrooms as described by Shulgin, none of the chemicals in hbwr would have any effect on a mushroom..Also, 700hbwr seeds isn't THAT cheap!


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: vodgod]
    #1859069 - 08/28/03 03:25 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

This is definately an idea that's both interesting and exciting. I think someone should give it a go and see what happens.


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    #1859227 - 08/28/03 04:09 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: poke smot!]
    #1860343 - 08/28/03 09:24 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Hum... Well... What are the precursors to Psilocybin or Psilocin? Ive read injecting dopamine into a mescaline cactus 4 weeks before harvest the dopamine will be turned into nor-mescaline then into raw mescaline. Thusly, larger... More trip-tastic (Im coining that phrase) ((Mark my words!!)) Mescaline buttons. So, injecting the above asked substance into the fruit bodies may prove... To be trip-tastic.


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: IEatPi314]
    #1865078 - 08/30/03 07:06 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

HBWR is a very potent ethnogen. Its cheap to get, if you know the right sources. I know for a fact it will make the trip more intense.


Remember to not grind the seeds. Leave them be seeds. Just peel of the outer layer with your hands.


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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1880678 - 09/04/03 11:23 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

hi,
while on the subject of what could be added to substrate to increase potency, paul stammets, in one? of his books, refers to p, cubensis grown on a substrate enriched with phalaris(sp?) grass. this is usually grown like hay for annimal fodder. it has a naturally high content of tryptamine and related alkaloids. lab studies have shown that the mushrooms grown on a tryoptamine enriched substrate have much more active ingredient. i did not get a chance to try it this season, but theres always next year.
see http://peyote.com/jonstef/phalaris.htm for more info on the alkaloid content of this plant, see http://www.outsidepride.com/infopasturegrasses.asp for info on growing and seeding rates (aka canarygrass and hardinggrass)

peace,

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Re: Putting HBWR seeds in the substrate. [Re: pure999]
    #1889919 - 09/07/03 01:35 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Woah, so where are you guys gettin your hbwr nuts at?


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