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Legislators produce bill aimed at prohibiting synthetic “designer” drugs
    #18899177 - 09/27/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

RICK OLIVO rolivo@ashlanddailypress.net | Posted 7 days ago

“Fake Pot,” “Bath Salts” and “Plant Food” drugs are target of bill to be presented Monday at Ashland City Hall

For years, Wisconsin state legislators have been trying to come up with a way of outlawing so-called “legals” — synthetic drugs that mimic marijuana and cocaine and are sold indiscriminately over the county in head shops, gas stations and convenience stores.

Last year the legislature passed Wisconsin Act 31, which made it illegal to possess, manufacture, distribute or deliver synthetic cannabinoids (“fake pot”) as well as synthetic cathinones (“bath salts,” “plant food,” etc.)

At best the legislation has had mixed results. While it does effectively ban some of the most commonly used substances in synthetic drugs, manufacturers quickly switched over to different formulations, resulting in a situation Ashland District Attorney Kelly McKnight describes as being akin to “whack-a-mole” — whenever one substance is banned, the synthetics manufacturers which to a slightly different drug molecule, evading the state law.

“The current law is useless,” McKnight has said.

Currently, a bi-partisan group of legislators is seeking to overcome the short fallings of the original legislation, and has proposed new legislation, which has not as yet been introduced as a bill in either house of the legislature.

The group includes State Representatives Garey Bies, R-Sister Bay, Nick Milroy, D-Superior, Janet Bewley, D-Ashland and State Senators Sheila Harsdorf, R-River Falls and Bob Jauch, D-Poplar.

“The current law was written proactively to prohibit any new drug that comes on the market and any similar analog,” said a news release issued jointly by the lawmakers. “The problem is how we define ‘analog’. Right now, manufacturers are changing the make-up of these drugs quicker than we can ban them.”

In this bill, we’ve replaced the concept of an analog with the description of the chemical structure. Under this bill, any substance that conforms to the structural definition of the chemical compound would be prohibited.”

Under those definitions, no matter how the chemical structure is altered, the substances, if they are chemically related would still be covered by the ban.

However, no matter how it is written, it is likely that a broad front of actions will be needed to ensure that synthetic marijuana is removed for open sales, said McKnight.

“I have talked to the attorney general’s office about it, and what they have told me is that they were closely involved in the drafting, along with representatives of the crime lab, and the intention of the statute is to change the way that these substances are defined,” he said. “Instead of requiring us to prove an analog, which has several specific steps we have to go through, they are looking at the base chemical structure, and looking to take that base structure and prohibit the type of changes to that base structure that these drug manufacturers have been doing.”

In theory, that should eliminate the “whack-a-mole” issue that has bedeviled prosecutors attempting to use the previous legislation. However even that isn’t certain.

“I specifically asked if this was legislation that is derived from something that has been successful elsewhere, and they told me no,” McKnight said.

Instead, McKnight said the bill is something that has originated in Wisconsin, designed to address the unique way Wisconsin’s controlled substances board defines these analog substances.

“This is designed to eliminate the analog problem and so it allows us to go back to just the base structure rather than having to prove that something is an analog, which means you have to bring in a chemist,” he said. “They have looked at what they are doing in the labs to make these substances and what they’ve tried to do is to boil it down to the very basic level. ‘Lets find the basic common denominator and make it a crime to do anything with substances coming from that chemical structure.’”

McKnight said he believed state officials and legislators have put in a lot of work to craft the bill. However the real question is: Will it work where the preceding legislation has failed?

“We’ll see.” He said.

McKnight said the approach taken buy the state would work with other avenues taken by local governments.

“I think what we are seeing here is that there is a lot of creative approaches being taken to try and deal with this problem,” he said. “Whether it is the approach that my office is taking, by treating it as abuse of a hazardous substance, whether it is the approach that the city is taking, by considering public nuisance and licensing requirements, whether it is the approach that the legislature and the attorney general’s office is taking, by trying to boil it down to it’s most basic level, so we don’t run into the whack-a-mole problem, if we come at this from enough angles, we will be able to get it under control,” McKnight said.

State Senator Jauch and State Representative Bewley will be holding an informational meeting on the new draft legislation at the Ashland City Hall City Council Chambers on Monday, Sept. 23, at 1:30 p.m. A draft of the proposed legislation is available online via the Daily Press website at: http://ashlandwi.com/app/Synthetic-ban-legislation.pdf

http://m.ashlandwi.com/news/local/article_860c1b12-2252-11e3-baa6-001a4bcf887a.html?mode=jqm


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Re: Legislators produce bill aimed at prohibiting synthetic “designer” drugs [Re: Simplepowa]
    #18900289 - 09/27/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What a bunch of fuck heads


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Re: Legislators produce bill aimed at prohibiting synthetic “designer” drugs [Re: Simplepowa] * 1
    #18900927 - 09/27/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

“This is designed to eliminate the analog problem and so it allows us to go back to just the base structure rather than having to prove that something is an analog, which means you have to bring in a chemist,”.




Yeah, it sucks to have to bring in somebody who know what the fuck he is talking about concerning drugs.

"Lets leave issues involving chemicals to ignorant morons who know nothing about chemistry." Sounds good.


Quote:

‘Lets find the basic common denominator and make it a crime to do anything with substances coming from that chemical structure.’”





Cool. Lets just ban knowledge of chemistry in general. No new compounds, no pharmacological research, no tools with which to learn about the neurotransmitter systems in the human brain. Not to mention a lot more than just synthetic "legals" being banned. I suppose certain amino acids and components of kitchen seasonings will have to be illegal.

Making things that don't exist yet illegal :super:  :whereismiddleman:


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Re: Legislators produce bill aimed at prohibiting synthetic “designer” drugs [Re: Ok amoismis]
    #18900966 - 09/27/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thought plant food was already illegal


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Re: Legislators produce bill aimed at prohibiting synthetic “designer” drugs [Re: Simplepowa]
    #18902152 - 09/28/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Meanwhile, in blatent disregard of rules and laws everywhere, the species of hominoid known as 'homo sapiens', meaning man, the wise, continues to manufacture the prohibited substance known as DMT in various secret laboratories hidden within their own bodies, on a continual basis.
The audacity of these humans!


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Re: Legislators produce bill aimed at prohibiting synthetic “designer” drugs [Re: Rockhound]
    #18905037 - 09/28/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:

As well as the schedule 1, "date rape drug", gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid (GHB).

"Shit!? We need to outlaw metabolisms!!!"


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