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Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates
    #18897917 - 09/27/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I had an old print of pan bisporus San Diego that I put on agar a couple of weeks ago that look like they're ready to transfer do I just cut a wedge anywhere because it looks a lot different than cubes.

I also noticed that my pan cyan was not colonizing the agar as fast as the cubes so I made a manure tea and used it in place of water and kept the rest of the recipe the same it's about 4 days old and is showing excellent growth.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19069778 - 11/01/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wanted to update on the progress of my pan bisporus, I took pieces and dropped a few chunks into a jar of grain and almost over night it started to colonize the jar which made me think it was contaminated.  Within a few days it was completely colonized a beautiful color of light lavender.
I noticed that the substrate & the jars that I forgot to spawn immediately changed colors with a dark bottom and then the top turning white.  I'm casing some of the trays today. 


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19069785 - 11/01/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Also the agar plates that I made with manure out perform the one's without manure.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19069872 - 11/01/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've never seen anyone use manure water in their agar but that sounds like a great idea :thumbup:

It is pretty difficult working with copelandias sometimes especially if you're used to cubes. The mycelium is way different and I have a hard time determining contam from healthy mycelium.

I'm pretty sure you won't find any sectoring and I've also heard that Pan MS grows don't vary nearly as much as cubes. I'm not positive on that though cuz all my copelandia grows so far have gone sour :shrug:
Maybe someone who's good with exotics (Stonesun perhaps?) can chime in...


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: Novanity1]
    #19069922 - 11/01/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was under the impression that pan did sector not as much but it does.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19073615 - 11/02/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

rhizomorphs :eek: what I see at the last photos?

Started my bisporus a few days ago. I will follow you thread)


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: gt40]
    #19077017 - 11/02/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes they're rhizomorph's, I cut out sections of both rhizo and cottony sectors and transferred them to new dishes.  This cube is growing on a manure agar plate.  I also made manure cakes with filter's instead of vermiculite on top and left enough room at the top to shake them which I did almost daily.



Agar plates are like snowflakes no two are alike.


There are more than one picture of some of the plates.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19078577 - 11/03/13 01:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Is the growth speed on agar really an issue? I've never been too concerned about how quickly a culture colonizes. In fact I sometimes have trouble using them before they fully colonize so I think I'd actually prefer the slower rate.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: Kizzle]
    #19079126 - 11/03/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Do you grow cyans?  This is all experimental to see what's going to work best for me and there is always going to be someone who may want their plates to grow more slowly or quickly for whatever reason.  Since cyan's are known for being fragile I thought they may do better if they were given their preferred food source for the very beginning.  They not only colonized the plates more quickly but the culture was much healthier and when added to a grain jar the manure cultures took off and can take several shakings with no problems recovering.  I'll post some pics of the different grain jars and the different agars I used this afternoon.

The cube was just an experiment to see how it would do which it also did better the mushroom that grew on the manure agar was much larger and healthier than the other cubes I grew on agar, I'll post pics of the those also later today.  It is  too much trouble to make manure plates for cubes because they do seem to grow just fine on regular plates than the cyan which is what I love best.    Besides it's fun to experiment in all aspects of your hobbies I encourage it .


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19079332 - 11/03/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I like the manure dishes.  Definitely stronger growth for pans.  I'm going to try it next time too.

Thanks for the info.  :thumbup:


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: MacMerdin]
    #19094578 - 11/06/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Both jars were inoculated at the same time one has manure agar the other is either malt or potato, the manure jars finished over a week ahead of the others.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19094614 - 11/06/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There is no such thing as a "rhizo."

It's just rhizomorphic growth.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19094815 - 11/06/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Is it not used as an abbreviation?


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19094825 - 11/06/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

How long to full colonization of Petri d?


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: gt40]
    #19094837 - 11/06/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No, it's not an abbreviation, it's just something passed around by people who don't know what they're talking about.

You could say that you got rhizo growth. But you'll never have a rhizo. Rhizo is an adjective, not a noun.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19094850 - 11/06/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

San Diego?? I love CA :laugh:
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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: 36fuckin5] * 1
    #19094940 - 11/06/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In Paul Stamets book "The Mushroom Cultivator" in the glossary on page 395 he has the word rhizomorphs listed then it say's "Cord-like or strand like hyphae"  which I'm pretty sure is a noun, what they do is grow that is the adjective.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: Esmash]
    #19094972 - 11/06/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's a nice agar collection you got there  :wetself:


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: gt40]
    #19095085 - 11/06/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Two to 3 weeks less when the weather was warm but now that it's cold it's slowed everything down quite a bit.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19095152 - 11/06/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks I can't believe I haven't done it before now, all the cubes are from one print I made myself almost 2 years ago and I bought the bisporus about the same time both were kept sealed in my make up drawer and I've had very little contamination on my plates but even the contamination can be interesting I see eyes looking back through this one.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19095444 - 11/06/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Have you tried them on both MEA and PDA?


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: Kizzle]
    #19095872 - 11/06/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes I use both and when I mix the manure water in I use one or the other in addition to the manure water.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19101096 - 11/07/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I took different sections & transferred them to the new dishes and then they start becoming a more pure looking stain of either or the other.



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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19101141 - 11/07/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

On some I took the very outer edges where the grow started to become more rhizomorphic then transferred it to the new plate.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19101172 - 11/07/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Don't let your plates grow so far out. You can pick up contams from the edge.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19101362 - 11/07/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've been pretty lucky about not getting too many contaminates even in the fully grown dishes but I do try and get them before they reach the edge though I don't always succeed.  That's one of the reason I have such diverse plates.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19101820 - 11/07/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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In Paul Stamets book "The Mushroom Cultivator" in the glossary on page 395 he has the word rhizomorphs listed then it say's "Cord-like or strand like hyphae"  which I'm pretty sure is a noun, what they do is grow that is the adjective.




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what they do is grow that is the adjective.




:facepalm3:

Grow is a verb... a doing word.  Adjectives describe.

This mycelium is rhizomorphic. <--- adjective

These are very cord-like or strand like rhizomorphs.  <---- noun

In other words, when he said:

Quote:

I cut out sections of both rhizo and cottony sectors and transferred them to new dishes.




As long as he meant rhizomorphic when he said 'rhizo' he isn't incorrect.

And this is very incorrect:

Quote:

There is no such thing as a "rhizo."

It's just rhizomorphic growth.




I may be a mushroom noob but this shit is grammar.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: urthtown]
    #19101973 - 11/07/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:justcantwait: very interesting.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: urthtown]
    #19102088 - 11/07/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Grow is a verb... a doing word.



My grow is not a verb.

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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19103045 - 11/07/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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what they do is grow that is the adjective.




^ not a noun


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: urthtown]
    #19103062 - 11/07/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"I grow mushrooms." "grow" is the adjective and mushroom is the noun and "I" is a pronoun.

"My grow is awesome." "My" and "grow" are nouns.


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    #19103097 - 11/07/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19104087 - 11/08/13 06:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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"I grow mushrooms." "grow" is the adjective and mushroom is the noun and "I" is a pronoun.

"My grow is awesome." "My" and "grow" are nouns.




:facepalm3: grow is the verb in that first sentence!!! Doing word!!! Grade school english!!!

I grow mushrooms, they are big.

BIG is the adjective, GROW is the verb!!!

And in that second one, "My" is a pronoun and yes in that context of course grow is a noun. I never disputed that.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19104212 - 11/08/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

MUSH HEAD420 said:
"I grow mushrooms." "grow" is the adjective and mushroom is the noun and "I" is a pronoun.

"My grow is awesome." "My" and "grow" are nouns.




:facepalm3: grow is the verb in that first sentence!!! Doing word!!! Grade school english!!!

I grow mushrooms, they are big.

BIG is the adjective, GROW is the verb!!!

And in that second one, "My" is a pronoun and yes in that context of course grow is a noun. I never disputed that.




:smbfacepalm::lmafo::derpyouverymuch: I know all of us have been through second grade. C'mon people. Thank you urthtown for knowing your grammar.

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I took different sections & transferred them to the new dishes and then they start becoming a more pure looking stain of either or the other.






I can't figure out what half of your pictures are trying to demonstrate, but I can here and it's pretty damn cool!

I just started agar last week and inoculated my first few plates a couple days ago. I have a couple varieties of pans(MS), and a cube print. I'm using MEA, so if the pans don't seem to take a good hold then I'll add a manure tea since I've seen some results here.

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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: urthtown]
    #19105349 - 11/08/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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In Paul Stamets book "The Mushroom Cultivator" in the glossary on page 395 he has the word rhizomorphs listed then it say's "Cord-like or strand like hyphae"  which I'm pretty sure is a noun, what they do is grow that is the adjective.




Quote:

memberjockey said:
what they do is grow that is the adjective.




:facepalm3:

Grow is a verb... a doing word.  Adjectives describe.
You're correct thanks for that.
This mycelium is rhizomorphic. <--- adjective

These are very cord-like or strand like rhizomorphs.  <---- noun

In other words, when he said:

Quote:

I cut out sections of both rhizo and cottony sectors and transferred them to new dishes.




As long as he meant rhizomorphic when he said 'rhizo' he isn't incorrect.

And this is very incorrect:

Quote:

There is no such thing as a "rhizo."

It's just rhizomorphic growth.




I may be a mushroom noob but this shit is grammar.




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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19105357 - 11/08/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I meant verb, sorry.


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    #19105370 - 11/08/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And in that second one, "My" is a pronoun




My, I thought is never a pronoun.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #19105612 - 11/08/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was showing how pan's can sectionwhen I left the agar dishes go to the edge they became more rhizomorphic, was that correct grammar? and then when I transferred those sections they sometimes grew nothing but rhizo
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"I grow mushrooms." "grow" is the adjective and mushroom is the noun and "I" is a pronoun.

"My grow is awesome." "My" and "grow" are nouns.








I can't figure out what half of your pictures are trying to demonstrate, but I can here and it's pretty damn cool!

I just started agar last week and inoculated my first few plates a couple days ago. I have a couple varieties of pans(MS), and a cube print. I'm using MEA, so if the pans don't seem to take a good hold then I'll add a manure tea since I've seen some results here.

Keep it up.  :thumbup:




When I let the agar of pan go to the edge of the dish they started becoming more rhizomorphic and when I transferred those sections to new dishes they grew out rhizomorphic.  I don't know if one section will grow any better than the other but I had read that pan doesn't have this type of growth.


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Re: Panaeolus bisporus San Diego & my manure agar plates [Re: memberjockey]
    #19110439 - 11/09/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So is this supposed to be a grammar thread....?


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