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Ayahuasca with my medications (suboxone & sonata)
    #18897366 - 09/27/13 03:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm planning on trying an analog recipe of Ayahuasca soon, probably next weekend. I was thinking of starting out with 12.5g of mismosa and 3.2 grams of Syrian rue. The only problem is I take medication 6/1.5mg suboxone(burenorphine and naloxone)(opioid/opioid blocker), 1extremesonata(zaleplon)(benzo like sleeping med), and 100mg of 5-htp all at bedtime. Also I smoke cigs and drink a cup of coffee or a energy drink in the morning.

If I took 4mg of suboxone in the morning at around 7am and skipped the sonata and 5-htp for the day would I be able to drink ayahuasca at 7pm? Burenorphine is kinda a long lasting opioid, about the same as oral morphine, but I have a huge tolerence to opioids and I won't go through withdraw if I skip the sonata. I can go at least 30 hours without the suboxone before I start to feel mild withdraw symptoms but I'd rather take it in the morning because psychedelics intensify your senses. What's the deal with smoking cigs on a MAOI? I know some tribes even add a nicotine plant to there brew but I'm not sure how I'll feel. And what about coffee?

Oh damn I forgot. I also take adderall(amphetamine) and focalin(dexmethylphenidate), lol got both, but I can go a few days without it before and after the experience.

I handle psychedelics very well. I've done 4 tabs of LSD before and 30mg of 2c-I along with many other experiences and handled it fine. Well actually I freaked the fuck out on 30mg of 2c-I when I smoked an unknown large amount of am-2201(synthetic cannabinoid)(down2earth), which will send anyone into an extreme panic attack alone, but before that i was fine lol.


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Re: Ayahuasca with my medications (suboxone & sonata) [Re: PurpleHaze147]
    #18897403 - 09/27/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My advice.........


DONT.

I dont know how opiods and sleeping pills are affected by maois but I know for a fact rx amphetamines can have real bad responses on maois. The general rule with rx meds its wait at least 2 weeks before and after an ayahuasca dose to clear the reactions window.

Your on a lot of meds that doesnt seem like a real option for you. Do your homework dont just take a drug forums responses. Maoi mixed with wrong drugs can literally kill you.


My question is why do you wanna do ayahuasca?


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Re: Ayahuasca with my medications (suboxone & sonata) [Re: Rewindicus]
    #18897412 - 09/27/13 04:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Really? I thought as long as they were out of ur system youd be fine. I can take the suboxone the day before. R u sure that would be a bad idea?

I just wanted to try it cuz I love to experiment. Ive tried DPT a few times before and loved it. I tried smoking and snorting yopo seeds(DMT & 5-meo-DMT) and didn't feel much and was just wondering what the whole DMT experience was about.

Can I take a lower dose of the rue and a higher dose of mismosa? I can be fine on like 30mg of suboxone.


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Re: Ayahuasca with my medications (suboxone & sonata) [Re: PurpleHaze147]
    #18897420 - 09/27/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If I extracted and plugged DMT would it last longer than smoked? I also have access to pure DPT, MET, and 5-meo-DMT so I guess I don't really need to try ayahuasca yet but I really really want to.


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Re: Ayahuasca with my medications (suboxone & sonata) [Re: PurpleHaze147]
    #18897422 - 09/27/13 04:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The rue is the key player. Not enough an you wont feel the mimosa. I have a lot of ayahuasca experience however I take no meds of any kind so for me its an easy experience to prepare for. Your on like 5 meds and who knows how all of them in you affects your chemistry. Individual results vary.


Ayahuasca is by far my favorite trip. Its out of this world however scripts can be dangerous. Other people will chime in and you should even make a post on the nexus as well as doing much much much more research on interactions.


Neurosoup girl plugged dmt. With butter I believe. Apparently she tripped pretty hard. Seems real messy though :shrug:


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Re: Ayahuasca with my medications (suboxone & sonata) [Re: Rewindicus]
    #18897439 - 09/27/13 05:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lmao I don't see the point of using butter, DMT is perfectly water soluable on it's own. Not even vasoline is needed when plugging with a 5cc oral syringe, slides right up there, no pain or discomfort.  :bluemoon:

I know a lot about pharmacology. I research every day and my major is pre-med/pre-pharm for community college then I'll be goin to Rutgers for med school cuz community college is much cheaper for the same classes. As long as it's past the medications half life I don't see there being a problem but I'm not 100% sure so I might make another thread later or wait for the huasca.

Btw, plugging is the best way of doin DPT, no pain. Feeling like you've been hit in the nose with a hammer is not the best way to start a trip lol and for I.M. and I.V., now that I'm older, it seems too cracked out to stick yourself with a needle to get high, esspecially with psychedelics.


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Re: Ayahuasca with my medications (suboxone & sonata) [Re: PurpleHaze147]
    #18897444 - 09/27/13 05:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You can't take ANY pharms a few days AT LEAST around the MAOI use.
Understand that the MAOI system is what filters drugs from your system and breaks em down.
You could easily die from this idea. No joke!

aside from all that, if you ever do get ready to take aya, be prepared to die (ascend) anyway.
That trip is no joke either.
Nothing to take lightly my friend.

Never take aya without clear intentions.
Aya is a lot of things. Fun is not one of them.


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Re: Ayahuasca with my medications (suboxone & sonata) [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18897515 - 09/27/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yea I realize that maois stop the mono amine neurotransmitter transporters from functioning but if it's past the half life of the drug it's not effecting the neurotransmittion in the synaptic cleft to any large degree. There might be lower levels due to the transmitters being used up but that wouldn't be a problem.

Also I just thought about this soon after I posted before. The butter might extend the duration of the DMT trip because it would probably slow down the absorbtion. Seems like a good idea.

I'm fully prepared for a life sharttering experience. I've had ego death on DPT/Weed, DPT/2C-T-4, and 2C-I/AM-2201. My experience with 2C-I and AM-2201, 30mg and about 8-10mg, was the most intense experience of my life I don't expect 12.5 g of mismosa to come close to that. I entered like a matrix and was speaking to an entity and had to escape some maze like thing to return to consciousness, it's too intense to really describe it.

I also wanted to try DMT to get off my meds, I don't need them. It's harder than it sounds to quit powerful opiates/stims but I'll wait for the aya cuz I'm not 100% sure about the maoi. I value my life lol.


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