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suippumadonlakki
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap] 1
#18875673 - 09/22/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't give up. It usually takes a person several years of searching to be able to find semis on their own.
When the weather conditions are right and you find the right kind of environment, it's simply impossible that they are not there unless somebody came before you and pulled them out of the ground. Impossible because spores of each type of mushroom are broadcasted by the hundreds of trillions per every square kilometer and they will colonize every suitable environment that exists (even the edge of trails inside deep forests, if the right kind of grass is on the edge of those trails). You can walk right on top of them 5 times in the short grass, with almost no speed at all, and still not see them. The problem isn't that they are not there, the problem is with your eyes. When you spot one, just sit down and look around and the others will appear - you will wonder how you didn't see the others when you were standing up. Then you will start to find your intuition.
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knarkkorven
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Listen to suippumadonlakki and look for places with nurmilauha (Deschampsia cespitosa) or cow/sheep/horse pastures with short green grass mixed with lots of moss (Rhytidiadelphus squarrosus).
The places you hunt now has the wrong grass/ground.
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Perfect! Just what I needed: some perspective! Since I just recently started mushroom hunting, perspective is a great thing! I still have a bunch of studying with the mycelium of different mushrooms. Really interesting actually. Maybe P. Pelloculosa would be another more easier-to-find alternative. Semis are more potent and beautiful though..
Stoked! Gotta' go hunting soon again. Thank you very much suippumadonlakki and also "the drug sausage", knarkkorven!
I'll inform you guys when I find something promising.
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18879510 - 09/23/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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still nothing in estonia, the ground is too dry. maybe better luck next weekend... it should rain
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suippumadonlakki
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: madis503]
#18879617 - 09/23/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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All mushrooms are beautiful, if you ask me. I just love taking photos of all of them.
Actually, there has only been one reported finding of P. Pelliculosa in Finland (this is not really their territory), according to Wikipedia. I suspected that I had found a colony a month ago in a nice, cool forest, but it turned out to be something else. It made for some very nice photos, though!
Mycology is a fascinating science, far stranger than we can suppose.
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I see. Then P. Pelliculosa probably isn't my second alternative. Oh and yes, all mushrooms sure are beautiful and frankly I find them somehow so mystical.. Guess that's one of the reasons I've started to love them recently.
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18879988 - 09/23/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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bulipap said: I see. Then P. Pelliculosa probably isn't my second alternative. Oh and yes, all mushrooms sure are beautiful and frankly I find them somehow so mystical.. Guess that's one of the reasons I've started to love them recently. 
Your second alternative should be Panaeolus cinctulus,(Reunuskirjoheltta).
Good luck for your future hunts.
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savedBYgrace
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so you are saying that libs go from pins to rotting in a 4 day time span???
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Go for semilaceata, it's far more common than the others. Even if you would find pelliculosa, they are weaker and you would need a lot more.
And it's to late for cinctulus now.
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: knarkkorven]
#18881537 - 09/23/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: Go for semilaceata, it's far more common than the others. Even if you would find pelliculosa, they are weaker and you would need a lot more.
And it's to late for cinctulus now.
Well I meant in future years for that cinctulus comment. I have found cinctulus fruiting in early October in a few years ago, but yes better time is in summer months.
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suippumadonlakki
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andrewjossi said: so you are saying that libs go from pins to rotting in a 4 day time span???
4 to 5 days being the maximum duration of existence for a given fruit.
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Wow, what an incredible wealth of information. You guys sure know what you're talking about.
Now when the night frost has begun, about how long will the Semilanceatas survive before declining in numbers?
Thanks!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18897404 - 09/27/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now when the night frost has begun, about how long will the Semilanceatas survive before declining in numbers?
I think I might have found the answer to my question myself in another post.
"One or two evened out frosts shouldn't be much of a problem. However, if you have 3 or 4 consecutive frosts, expect your season to come to an end." -scyrusurcys
This is what I was looking for. I think I might have gotten a bit too spoiled to search for the answer myself when I know there are such helpful people here.
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18897409 - 09/27/13 04:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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For those who don't know:
"[...] It is not likely that the first frost will kill mycelium. Native species to the PNW, such as the liberty cap are adapted to the frost and won't die from it. Constant freezing temperatures will almost certainly end the mushroom picking season, but there are exceptions with microclimates. The first few overnight frosts won't harm much, but when it is staying icy all day, then the season will be coming to an end. The mycelium will simply go dormant, or into a slow rate of growth." -Blek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6234849
Love this forum!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18897449 - 09/27/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bulipap said: For those who don't know:
"[...] It is not likely that the first frost will kill mycelium. Native species to the PNW, such as the liberty cap are adapted to the frost and won't die from it. Constant freezing temperatures will almost certainly end the mushroom picking season, but there are exceptions with microclimates. The first few overnight frosts won't harm much, but when it is staying icy all day, then the season will be coming to an end. The mycelium will simply go dormant, or into a slow rate of growth." -Blek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6234849
Love this forum!
Thanks for very nice info to you, too!
I am also wondering about ideal temperature ranges for libs. From what I understand, they prefere colder temps, so warm sunny september deleays start of a season, and I would imagine temperatures less than 15C during midday are good. But anything more specyfic for day max/night minimum? Right now here in Poland we got 12 - 15C of midday temp, and 2-5C at the coldest late night. Couple degrees less should be better?
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: Psiledehysp]
#18897553 - 09/27/13 06:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Please someone correct me if I'm wrong but from what I have understood, the conditions you're describing seem quite perfect. I don't think there's a minimum midday temperature, it's just the frost at night that might damage them. "night temperatures <10°C, day temperatures <15°C", is what most sources say.
I also found this: "The best hunting time is when it's cold enough to want to wear your gloves. A good sign of when the season is coming to its end is when the ground freezes for several nights in a row or you get snow that stays on the ground for more than a day.". The gloves might be a good reminder!
Good luck and hopefully we'll both find something this year!
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18899383 - 09/27/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good luck to You Too, and nice find again. I already found some, but small ammounts so far. Going again soon, hope for a fruitfull Mother Nature.
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suippumadonlakki
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: Psiledehysp]
#18905669 - 09/29/13 02:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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At least the problem in Finland now is the drought that has already lasted for nearly 5 months. Unless rain starts to fall, there won't be anything popping up in the grasses.
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bulipap
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Oh so it wasn't just me? Yesterday I went for a couple of hours to a spot that I believe seemed great but found nothing. Have you found anything promising this year?
Also, what would be considerd enough rain for them to start to start showing up?
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suippumadonlakki
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Re: ID: Psilocybe Semilanceata [Re: bulipap]
#18910257 - 09/30/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've found about 400 during the past 3 weeks from a combination of 6 spots. I found fresh ones yesterday and today, first time in more than a week.
Still, I'm just saying, I should have easily found 10 times that amount by now but we've had something less than 2cm of rain during the past 4 months and it just does not convince itself to rain even now.
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