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passifloracaerulea



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my dog, help please...
#18897061 - 09/27/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I love her and am a good owner. I respect her but assert my dominance in her space. I would never hit her and she has never been hit. she's a shiba inu(medium size akita like ancient Japanese dog) and she likes to play the catch me if you can game running circles around me. she'll come close for treats but her wolf ancestry is keeping her at arm's reach and she's extremely agile/hard to catch. it's cool during the day and I can play with her where she gets worn out and gives up. the problem is at night time and if I ever want to let her off leash in a public area. I have coyotes out here and she sometimes wants to stay out late in the yard for awhile. how could I get her to come to me in emergency situations such as this and road situations? she loves to stick around me but loves that game. she got her toenails clipped today and is probably still revolting from the experience(proper toenail clippers with a safey back to keep you from cutting too far, no blood). anyone who knows shibas inus should know what i'm dealing with.
Edited by passifloracaerulea (09/27/13 01:27 AM)
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OldHam


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I had an Australian Sheepdog, one of the most loyal dogs there is...taught to roll, play dead, fetch, etc...but he'd still run off occasionally. Take her with a grain of salt.
Also, take her to UN familiar places and have her come back...
Did you own her as a puppy?
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passifloracaerulea



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Re: my dog, help please... [Re: OldHam]
#18897079 - 09/27/13 01:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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OldHam said: I had an Australian Sheepdog, one of the most loyal dogs there is...taught to roll, play dead, fetch, etc...but he'd still run off occasionally. Take her with a grain of salt.
Also, take her to UN familiar places and have her come back...
Did you own her as a puppy?
I got her at 8 months old. she'll be a year on oct 10th. I play a game called "kill the rabbit" and if I did that at these times she might come for the rabbit fur and give me an opportunity to grab her collar. she's literally as smart as a wolf.
Edited by passifloracaerulea (09/27/13 01:32 AM)
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OldHam


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8 months is kinda old...must admit.
I'm kinda a pro at this shit. But, don't claim to solve every problem.
You say your main thing is she runs off in public spaces?
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Why not work on training her by giving her a treat every time she comes inside? That's what my parents did with their dogs. Say "wanna go inside? Want a treat?" every time you bring her inside then give her a treat once she's in the house. Eventually she will associate inside with treat and will come in. As least that's what I assume will happen.
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Re: my dog, help please... [Re: Gumby]
#18897088 - 09/27/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Carrot/ Stick.
Both work.
Esp. if you're the only one giving them.
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passifloracaerulea



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Re: my dog, help please... [Re: Gumby]
#18897110 - 09/27/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gumby said: Why not work on training her by giving her a treat every time she comes inside? That's what my parents did with their dogs. Say "wanna go inside? Want a treat?" every time you bring her inside then give her a treat once she's in the house. Eventually she will associate inside with treat and will come in. As least that's what I assume will happen.
she plays that game if I let her off leash in public and my fenced yard. she doesn't run off if i'm around. I give her treats but her favorite treat is cheese and she gets diarrhea from eating it. she doesn't like typical dog treats too much but I fed her pain pills covered in peanut butter when she was spayed.
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passifloracaerulea



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Re: my dog, help please... [Re: OldHam]
#18897119 - 09/27/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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OldHam said: Carrot/ Stick.
Both work.
Esp. if you're the only one giving them.
my mom loves her, takes care of her when i'm gone at festivals, and has to give her treats as well. she started the cheese thing by putting it on her food. ahhhh!!!
Edited by passifloracaerulea (09/27/13 01:41 AM)
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OldHam


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I dunno dude, the Bible says you can't serve two masters at the same time...
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zZZz
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let her be. i have notice from experience from dogs that the more you try to keep them in, the more they want to run away. its risky, but let her run. if she comes back then she is a keeper. tough love but its a dog thang
relax and be assertive like cesar millan
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passifloracaerulea



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Re: my dog, help please... [Re: zZZz]
#18897153 - 09/27/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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zZZz said: let her be. i have notice from experience from dogs that the more you try to keep them in the more they want to run away. its risky, but let her run. if she comes back then she is a keeper. tough love but its a dog thang
normally she comes right in and i'd like to let her run in parks. maybe she can only be off leash in wilderness areas or the desert expanse.
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Re: my dog, help please... [Re: Gumby]
#18897154 - 09/27/13 01:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gumby said: Why not work on training her by giving her a treat every time she comes inside? That's what my parents did with their dogs. Say "wanna go inside? Want a treat?" every time you bring her inside then give her a treat once she's in the house. Eventually she will associate inside with treat and will come in. As least that's what I assume will happen.
This I would also add that you can use what she likes. Garlic sausage normally works well. Treat her when she responds to your commands and do it over and over for a while. If you have trouble then go learn some obedience training. If that fails you can get audio or vibrating collars that dogs tend to respond too.
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Re: my dog, help please... [Re: zZZz]
#18897156 - 09/27/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dogs are pack animals. Be the Alpha male, you'll do alright.
Otherwise, you got a stupid dog on your hands.
EDIT: What's the problem again?
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You could also try lactose free cheese
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trust her!. and don't let out worrisome vibes, dogs see it as weakness.
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Re: my dog, help please... [Re: OldHam]
#18897164 - 09/27/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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OldHam said: Dogs are pack animals. Be the Alpha male, you'll do alright.
Otherwise, you got a stupid dog on your hands.
EDIT: What's the problem again?
Most people have no idea how to assert dominance with dogs and think it means beifng a big man and hitting them/submitting them Asserting dominance to another sepcies requires practice and training. A lot of people have chilled dogs so figure they are good at it........
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I disagree. Most people know their dog, esp when acquired after 8 months old, is 'willful'...
Most people have dogs that they got when they're 8 months olds +. Beating your dogs , esp. in the company of someone who coddles it, it the last thing you want to do.
But, you can 'assert authority' by taking her out to new places and holding her close.
I.E. YOU are the 'safe' zone...YOU are the one in charge.
P.S. Somewhere new where no other dogs or people are around. As a puppy, I would take my pup to a new place every day, and hold him UP... UP..high...he was scared...then hold him close to me.
You see? Scary?....and then the safety.=Me. You get your dog to trust you in this (and other) ways.
just one idea.
P.P.S. Getting a dog after 8 months is really, really hard. Like getting a adoption kid, 14 years old..
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Re: my dog, help please... [Re: OldHam]
#18897284 - 09/27/13 02:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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OldHam said: I disagree. Most people know their dog, esp when acquired after 8 months old, is 'willful'...
Most people have dogs that they got when they're 8 months olds +. Beating your dogs , esp. in the company of someone who coddles it, it the last thing you want to do.
But, you can 'assert authority' by taking her out to new places and holding her close.
I.E. YOU are the 'safe' zone...YOU are the one in charge.
P.S. Somewhere new where no other dogs or people are around. As a puppy, I would take my pup to a new place every day, and hold him UP... UP..high...he was scared...then hold him close to me.
You see? Scary?....and then the safety.=Me. You get your dog to trust you in this (and other) ways.
just one idea.
P.P.S. Getting a dog after 8 months is really, really hard. Like getting a adoption kid, 14 years old..
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OldHam said: I disagree. Most people know their dog, esp when acquired after 8 months old, is 'willful'...
Most people have dogs that they got when they're 8 months olds +. Beating your dogs , esp. in the company of someone who coddles it, it the last thing you want to do.
But, you can 'assert authority' by taking her out to new places and holding her close.
I.E. YOU are the 'safe' zone...YOU are the one in charge.
P.S. Somewhere new where no other dogs or people are around. As a puppy, I would take my pup to a new place every day, and hold him UP... UP..high...he was scared...then hold him close to me.
You see? Scary?....and then the safety.=Me. You get your dog to trust you in this (and other) ways.
just one idea.
P.P.S. Getting a dog after 8 months is really, really hard. Like getting a adoption kid, 14 years old..
I've raised numerous litters of puppies. Some simply are not interested in your safe zones. They want to run and play. Some become aggressive and over protective of their owners. Some are so aggressive that no amount of training will help. Dogs with strong instincts can tend to run off and be rather disobedient. Such as huskies etc. Some dogs are very difficult and are not for everyone. You sound a little about what I am talking about. Training a responsive 15 week old puppy is easy.
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like I said, because of her wolf genetics she does this. she's a perfect dog in every other way. thanks all. 5 mushies for everyone who gave me advice, even if I am past that point.
lactose free cheese might be a good choice if she likes it and it's natural. there are some times when she needs to come and do it now, before danger becomes a factor.
Edited by passifloracaerulea (09/27/13 09:19 AM)
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passifloracaerulea said: like I said, because of her wolf genetics she does this. she's a perfect dog in every other way. thanks all. 5 mushies for everyone who gave me advice, even if I am past that point.
lactose free cheese might be a good choice if she likes it and it's natural. there are some times when she needs to come and do it now, before danger becomes a factor.
Could try the collar then. May be worth a go
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passifloracaerulea



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I really don't want to put any type of shock collar on her.
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Try walking her on a leash on a regular basis and making her stay one step behind you by your side. This is a trick from the "Dog Whisperer" that he uses all the time and often helps with dominance/obedience issues.
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passifloracaerulea said: I really don't want to put any type of shock collar on her.
The collars im talking about just beep or vibrate.
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passifloracaerulea



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i'll look into them but then I have to re train her to the beep or vibration. seems a clicker would be easier and as effective.
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Not at range. Apparently they really dont like the noise. Look into. I haven't used them only dogs I've looked after had them from the owner. Never had to use it.
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nicechrisman said: Try walking her on a leash on a regular basis and making her stay one step behind you by your side. This is a trick from the "Dog Whisperer" that he uses all the time and often helps with dominance/obedience issues.

it looks like they used a shiba inu face for that picture.
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The 10 Smartest Dog Breeds
1. Border Collie Known as the workaholic of the dog world and prized for its intelligence and working ability, the Border Collie excels at agility. Border Collies have extraordinary instinct and need a job to do in order to be happy.
2. German Shepherd The German Shepherd is extremely smart at police work. They are well-known to be the world's leading police, military,and guard dog. They're also loyal and dependable.
3. Bloodhound Bloodhounds are the best at trailing. They are often used in police work and search and rescue. Their scenting abilities are so exceptional that a Bloodhound's mantrailing results are permissible in court.
4. Beagle Beagles tend to follow their nose, which makes them exceptional at detection work. Bed bugs became a major problem for businesses and homeowners over the past few years, so the Beagle came to the rescue. With their excellent noses, exterminators and business owners enlisted the dog's incredible abilities to find where bed bugs were hiding so humans could get rid of them.
5. Labrador Retriever Labs are the smartest guide dogs. They are highly trainable and are very eager to please. This is also why Labs make such great family pets and are the most popular dog, according to AKC Registration Statistics.
6. Newfoundland Newfoundlands are the smartest at water rescue. They have a large lung capacity that enables them to be masters at long-distance swimming, and they have true lifesaving instincts in the water. They are intelligent and easily trained.
7. Belgian Malinois Belgian Malinois are extremely smart military dogs. They are strong, agile, highly trainable and have a strong desire to work. They are confident and naturally protective, which makes them effective at military work.
8. Siberian Huskies Siberian Huskies excel at sledding. They were bred in Northeast Asia as sled dogs, and have amazing endurance and willingness to work.
9. Golden Retriever Golden Retrievers are very smart assistance dogs. They have an innate working ability, are intelligent and have an eager-to-please attitude
10. Australian Shepherds Aussies are amazing herders--the breed lives for its job. Aussies are adaptable, energetic, intelligent and have very strong natural herding instincts.
http://shine.yahoo.com/pets/10-smartest-dog-breeds-160500214.html
Some dogs are smarter than others. FACT.
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Re: my dog, help please... [Re: OldHam]
#18948243 - 10/08/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That list is based on what? I've seen many lists that are different. Some people for example consider weimeraners as the smartest dogs
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OldHam


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I guess some people are smarter than others as well. OHHELLSYEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
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passifloracaerulea



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Re: my dog, help please... [Re: OldHam]
#19031585 - 10/25/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OldHam said: I guess some people are smarter than others as well. OHHELLSYEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
my dog has become the greatest dog ever. no issues whatsoever and all of the girls love her, same goes with my cats.
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