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OfflineUltra-Imperialist
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Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives
    #18895673 - 09/26/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Their top leader has been executed, and the general leadership of Al Qaeda is being hunted down like dogs. They have been slain, with Violence AND Honor.

We did not use suicide bombers, or other weapons which invite huge amounts of collateral, but drones, which according to all relevant statistics have less collateral then any other weapon in military history. This strikes the target while reducing the impact on innocents. It is thus the very embodiment of honorable, technologically intense warfare. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/02/drones_war_and_civilian_casualties_how_unmanned_aircraft_reduce_collateral.html

Just five years ago we seemed already on the brink of ruin. We faced fanatical religious enemies from without and ideological fanatics of a more secular bent from within. Both seemed hellbent on negating our Superpower status and reducing our Empire to nothing.

Now the religious fanatics cover in fear of our technological might, their suicide bombings, hostage taking, terrorist tactics aimed primarily at hurting their own civilians as recruiting tools defeated soundly.

The other side, composed primarily of Republicans are likewise facing increasing ruin, the traitors in their midst, either intentional or de facto exposed.

The Republicans and their ilk thought themselves wise and bold to compare themselves to Ancient Spartans.

But they forgot one thing- Sparta eventually fell to Rome.

Many here and elsewhere, mostly among the right, argue that we are a Constitutional Republic. This is as wrong as wrong can be- we are a Democratic Empire.

We have hundreds of military bases in tens of dozens of countries around the world, we control the largest and most powerful navy in the world, our reach and our interests are entwined with every other country around the world. And by such means the United States keeps the Peace.

No World War has broken out since the United States became a Super-Power, does anyone here really believe this is because World Leaders and Dictators became more peaceful overnight or do you think it more likely they fear our military and technological influence?

Pax Americana is the only thing keeping World War 3 at bay, and if we were to surrender our position tomorrow, the other Great Powers would start making land grabs and coming to blows in less then a decade's time. That is, after they decided to unite and pummel us.

Our entire quality of life depends on our Imperial aspiration, which now, with those purposely trying to weaken us en route either for their Market Fundamentalist, Leftist Idealist, Communist Revolutionary, Backwards Christian Fundamentalist or Fashioned Little House on the Prairie view of the world.

According to the UN, Brookings Institute, Forbes, world starvation and poverty rates are in rapid decline. Access to clean drinking water is becoming a reality for millions. This is all because the Right-Wing idiots are no longer holding us back, and we are free to unleash our economic and technological might, in a peaceful environment.

http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2013/04/17/remarkable-declines-in-global-poverty-but-major-challenges-remain

A lot of fools, on this matter, who know nothing of strategy and consider only the small details and never the big picture argue for reduced taxes, that we should not raise taxes, that we should not have social programs, that we should not have legalized recreational drugs.

Drugs and Social Programs help keep the peace at home, and we need peace at home to continue to export the benefits of a Super-Power status Democratic Empire abroad.

We need taxes to maintain our infrastructure, our navy, our military, our CDC, spy agencies, First Responders, etc.

We need Regulations to ensure fair competition. We NEED to keep competition fair because it ensures social mobility and progress. Unfair competition leads to cheating behavior, like a sports game where there are no rules. Fair competition ensures that companies have to compete by improving their products and services instead of attacking each other or defrauding the consumer. We want competition because it makes us more innovative and efficient, not because it screws the consumer over and sabotages the economy. We need social mobility, which comes from regulations and social programs to make sure the right people get to the top.

To call for weaker taxes, is a direct call to abandon our Imperial Projects, and such a call is just short of treason, not only for America, but Humanity as a whole.

Just to be clear- an Empire is not necessarily the stereotypical thing most people imagine it to be. An Empire strives to be good, because that benefits and legitimizes itself. Empires do not do diabolical things just to be evil, they try by and large to do the right thing.

Now some may ask, Who is the new Caesar of this Empire? The answer is: The United States as a whole.

Our Caesar is not a person, it is a series of ideas: Freedom, Honor, Peace, Strength, Courage, Reason, and Intelligence.

We rule not by brute force, nor numbers, nor treachery- we rule by strategy, by technology, by our innovative spirit and our sense of honorable competition.

I cannot emphasize too much the importance of this last, because without it we would see a world of mutually destructive economic competition based on sabotage and corporate espionage tactics and fraud.

By such means, we live in a Super-Utopia. And I say Super-Utopia purposely because we live by leaps and bounds much better then the people in Thomas Moore's Utopia, where things like electricity and indoor plumbing and lamps would have been fantastic, yet alone Internet, Smart Phones, MMO/MOBA games, I-PODS and MP3s. We can afford to eat at restaurants every day. We live better then Kings and Queens in the Renaissance Era.

We also have a Government, compared to that of those in history, and those around the world, is relatively not corrupt at all. We, as citizens, have huge amounts of influence over this government with free speech, and votes- speech that can travel all over the Net if we so wish.

We have the best movies. The largest variety of gourmet foods available. An economy so stable and flexible that we can buy whatever the heck we want, on demand and have it delivered to our house from across the world in a week! We never have to worry about invasions, raiders, conquerors or warlords.

It is truly a Super-Utopian existence for us, and it is made possible because our Democratic Empire exists.

Many have compared us to Rome at its fall, but I say we are more like Rome during its transition from Republic to Empire.

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The victor in one of these civil wars, Octavian (later known as Augustus), reformed the Republic as a Principate, with himself as Rome's "first citizen" (princeps). The Senate continued to sit and debate. Annual magistrates were elected as before, but final decisions on matters of policy, warfare, diplomacy and appointments were privileged to Augustus through his wielding of a number of separate powers simultaneously. One of his many titles was imperator from which the title "emperor" is derived, and he is customarily called the first Roman Emperor.

The Republic was never restored, but neither was it ever formally abolished (the term res publica continued to be used to refer to the state apparatus), so the exact date of the transition to the Roman Empire is a matter of interpretation. Historians have variously proposed the appointment of Julius Caesar as perpetual dictator in 44 BC, the defeat of Mark Antony at the Battle of Actium in 31 BC, and the Roman Senate's grant of extraordinary powers to Octavian under the first settlement and his adopting the title Augustus in 27 BC, as the defining event ending the Republic.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic

So with this I say Seyla! I hope it remains such until all civilization shall fall.

For blood is thicker then water, but not as Thick as Duty. Our Triumph is worth noting, and the Star are damned right.


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Ultra-Imperialist]
    #18895936 - 09/26/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah America has it pretty great.

And only at the cost of hundreds of thousands killed in other countries and the mass oppression of it's expendable lower class civilians.

Good for America.


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Ultra-Imperialist] * 1
    #18896530 - 09/26/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Ultra-Imperialist]
    #18896761 - 09/26/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This sounds all peachy but not a very realistic view, I think America, globally as far as a socio-economic power, is on the decline.


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OfflineUltra-Imperialist
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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Ok amoismis]
    #18897541 - 09/27/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Ok amoismis said:
Yeah America has it pretty great.

And only at the cost of hundreds of thousands killed in other countries and the mass oppression of it's expendable lower class civilians.

Good for America.




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The United Nations Water Conference (1977), the International Drinking Water Supply and Sanitation Decade (1981-1990), the International Conference on Water and the Environment (1992) and the Earth Summit (1992) — all focused on this vital resource. The Decade, in particular, helped some 1.3 billion people in developing countries gain access to safe drinking water.




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The_Red_Crayon said:
This sounds all peachy but not a very realistic view, I think America, globally as far as a socio-economic power, is on the decline.




A faction of the Neo-Cons had been betraying us for quite some time. That faction is currently being purged, but no matter what we have tremendous challenges ahead.

What we must do, is face the future with a forward thinking attitude based on technocratic leanings and innovation.

If we fail, Russia and China will probably end up at war, as will India and Pakistan. North Korea will attempt to invade the South, and all sorts of land grabs and grand alliances are likely to form.

With nuclear weapons proliferating, we can, as a sentient species, indeed all life on earth save for roaches and bacteria, ill afford even a single nuclear conflict among the Great Powers, and the only thing that keeps them in check is US Imperial presence.

We hit a bump, and now, learning from our mistakes, we can rebound.

What is changing is our culture, from a previous, hegemonic, republican based, to that of a democratic empire that is more pluralistic.


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Ultra-Imperialist]
    #18897951 - 09/27/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting OP.  Interesting perspective on imperialism.  I'm inclined to agree with some of it. :thumbup:


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Icelander]
    #18898003 - 09/27/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yep, me too. :yesnod:


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #18898625 - 09/27/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Interesting OP.  Interesting perspective on imperialism.  I'm inclined to agree with some of it. :thumbup:



More straw men than you can shake a stick and it's an interesting take on imperialism only if you redefine the word


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18899391 - 09/27/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Is there a pool for how long before this puppet gets banned?


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Enlil]
    #18899643 - 09/27/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The op lives in a dream world. USA not corrupt? Big business and big money call all the shots, now more so than ever. The scotus decision allowing anyone even foreign powers to throw money into races was a disgrace.

USA keeping the peace? Lol, we really kept peace in afghanistan, didn't we? How about iraq? Libya? And syria? Ofumbles was thwarted in his ambition to stir the pot and get us involved then he was rescued by putin.

Sure, we've got it better than 1000 years ago, a lot better due to technology. But our presidents are picked by men with big money and the fools don't even know it. They are a little uneasy about the fact that every election is between bad and worse but they are told to not "waste" their vote on third parties because that would upset the demoblicans, the single party with 2 parts that rules the country.


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Ultra-Imperialist]
    #18899654 - 09/27/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:lol: Al Qaeda is on the ropes alright, good one.


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Stonehenge]
    #18899684 - 09/27/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
The op lives in a dream world. USA not corrupt? Big business and big money call all the shots, now more so than ever. The scotus decision allowing anyone even foreign powers to throw money into races was a disgrace.

USA keeping the peace? Lol, we really kept peace in afghanistan, didn't we? How about iraq? Libya? And syria? Ofumbles was thwarted in his ambition to stir the pot and get us involved then he was rescued by putin.

Sure, we've got it better than 1000 years ago, a lot better due to technology. But our presidents are picked by men with big money and the fools don't even know it. They are a little uneasy about the fact that every election is between bad and worse but they are told to not "waste" their vote on third parties because that would upset the demoblicans, the single party with 2 parts that rules the country.




Good points, however the alternatives (Tea party and Libertarians) are hardly more palatable. What we need is a moderate leadership. One that is a little bit liberal and a little bit conservative without being too much of either. And one with a bit more compassion as well.


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Stonehenge] * 2
    #18899773 - 09/27/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
The op lives in a dream world. USA not corrupt? Big business and big money call all the shots, now more so than ever. The scotus decision allowing anyone even foreign powers to throw money into races was a disgrace.




Big business and big money call all the shots?  If that were so Obama would not be in the White House.  The Citizens United decision does not allow for foreign contributions and if you don't like money being spent on political campaigns by wealthy citizens then the newspapers and the TV and Hollywood and radio need to be shut down.  Or are some citizens more equal than others, Napolean?
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USA keeping the peace? Lol, we really kept peace in afghanistan, didn't we? How about iraq? Libya? And syria? Ofumbles was thwarted in his ambition to stir the pot and get us involved then he was rescued by putin.




We had fuck all to do with Libya and Syria and we were the point of an international spear in Afghanistan and Iraq.  You can make all the bullshit you want up but the fact is that we are the enforcers of decency in the world.  The rest of them are either scum or wimps.
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Sure, we've got it better than 1000 years ago, a lot better due to technology. But our presidents are picked by men with big money and the fools don't even know it. They are a little uneasy about the fact that every election is between bad and worse but they are told to not "waste" their vote on third parties because that would upset the demoblicans, the single party with 2 parts that rules the country.




WE have it better than 20 years ago.  You have to be insane to think that Obama was the choice of the money men.  The Tea Party is shaking up the Republicans.  Where are you with them?


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18899776 - 09/27/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
The op lives in a dream world. USA not corrupt? Big business and big money call all the shots, now more so than ever. The scotus decision allowing anyone even foreign powers to throw money into races was a disgrace.

USA keeping the peace? Lol, we really kept peace in afghanistan, didn't we? How about iraq? Libya? And syria? Ofumbles was thwarted in his ambition to stir the pot and get us involved then he was rescued by putin.

Sure, we've got it better than 1000 years ago, a lot better due to technology. But our presidents are picked by men with big money and the fools don't even know it. They are a little uneasy about the fact that every election is between bad and worse but they are told to not "waste" their vote on third parties because that would upset the demoblicans, the single party with 2 parts that rules the country.




Good points, however the alternatives (Tea party and Libertarians) are hardly more palatable. What we need is a moderate leadership. One that is a little bit liberal and a little bit conservative without being too much of either. And one with a bit more compassion as well.



More compassion means more liberal.  Fuck that.


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18899948 - 09/27/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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More compassion means more liberal.  Fuck that.




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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: MightyWhite]
    #18900033 - 09/27/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Fucking A...  We are pleased to help other countries choose their democractic system, just like the united states--as long as it is the system WE want them to have.

And if they don't want our type of system we will bomb their asses back to the stone age because we are moral and righteous. :awesomenod:

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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18900057 - 09/27/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Fucking A...  We are pleased to help other countries choose their democractic system, just like the united states--as long as it is the system WE want them to have.

And if they don't want our type of system we will bomb their asses back to the stone age because we are moral and righteous. :awesomenod:

:smug: :smirk:



Please provide one example of this.


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #18900438 - 09/27/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

>Big business and big money call all the shots?  If that were so Obama would not be in the White House.

He is doing their work for them. Or do you think big insurance companies don't like obamacare? They love it. You have been taken in by the d vs r wrestling match.

>if you don't like money being spent on political campaigns by wealthy citizens then the newspapers and the TV and Hollywood and radio need to be shut down.  Or are some citizens more equal than others, Napolean?

They should be muzzled of course. The media is giving thinly disguised aid to the demos. What we have now is a shitfest of attack ads every where you look. Citizens v united was a terrible decision.

>We had fuck all to do with Libya and Syria and we were the point of an international spear in Afghanistan and Iraq.

We've been supplying arms to the rebels in syria and libya too. Or do you only believe what you read and see in the media? Even the media has talked about that. Point of an international spear??? We hoodwinked a few troops out of our allies but it was a usa operation. How did afghanistan and iraq turn out? You like chaos?

>WE have it better than 20 years ago.

Who is we? I have it better but the common man in the street is way worse off. You may be as deluded as the op.

Tea party and libertarians are not the only alternatives though either is better than d or r. There are greens (that will set off zap) and many others. I like ron paul though he has retired.


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Stonehenge] * 2
    #18900492 - 09/27/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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>Big business and big money call all the shots?  If that were so Obama would not be in the White House.

He is doing their work for them. Or do you think big insurance companies don't like obamacare? They love it. You have been taken in by the d vs r wrestling match.




I don't think they give a shit one way or the other.  Why should they?
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>if you don't like money being spent on political campaigns by wealthy citizens then the newspapers and the TV and Hollywood and radio need to be shut down.  Or are some citizens more equal than others, Napolean?

They should be muzzled of course. The media is giving thinly disguised aid to the demos. What we have now is a shitfest of attack ads every where you look. Citizens v united was a terrible decision.



How was it terrible?  You really are quite the fascist if you think we should all be shut up.  Free speech is a right protected by the Constitution,  Maybe you should live in Russia.
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>We had fuck all to do with Libya and Syria and we were the point of an international spear in Afghanistan and Iraq.

We've been supplying arms to the rebels in syria and libya too. Or do you only believe what you read and see in the media? Even the media has talked about that. Point of an international spear??? We hoodwinked a few troops out of our allies but it was a usa operation. How did afghanistan and iraq turn out? You like chaos?




We did fuck all in Libya and Syria.  Libya was a French operation.  Syria?  So what if we give some assholes guns?  It hasn't amounted to dick.  A few troops out of our allies were hoodwinked?  I suspect there are quite a few Brits, Canadians and Aussies, among others, who would like to educate you in person.
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>WE have it better than 20 years ago.

Who is we? I have it better but the common man in the street is way worse off. You may be as deluded as the op.




The common man in the street is better off than he was 20 years ago.  He didn't have a cell phone then.
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Tea party and libertarians are not the only alternatives though either is better than d or r. There are greens (that will set off zap) and many others. I like ron paul though he has retired.




The Greens are civilization destroying trustafarian retards.  L. Ron Paul is an ignorant isolationist jackass.


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18902117 - 09/28/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ron paul is one of the true conservatives, no wonder you don't like him. "isolationist" meaning he doesn't want us meddling in every shit pot in the world. Good for him.

I should clarify my remarks about the big shots picking obama. I really doubt they wanted him to win, they probably preferred romney, anyone would have been better. What you may have overlooked is they have to give the sheep some sort of choice or illusion of choice. If romney was the only candidate the sheep would revolt. So they pick the demo candidate that will both do as they are told on major issues and also are acceptable to the demos. Hillbilly would have worked but she was behind in the primaries and was paid off to quit fighting.

>The common man in the street is better off than he was 20 years ago.  He didn't have a cell phone then.

Average income in 1993 dollars is lower than it was then. It used to be the father worked and supported the family and was able to buy a house and save money. Today both work and are falling behind. I realize that does not concern you but the country as a whole is worse off.

>We did fuck all in Libya and Syria.  Libya was a French operation.  Syria?  So what if we give some assholes guns?  It hasn't amounted to dick.

We keep stirring up the anthills and the islamists who you hate end up in control. They almost took over in egypt. If we had meddled in egypt beyond throwing money at them, it would be islamist now instead of secular.

I know you hate to discuss issues and prefer to rant.


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Re: Osama bin Laden is Dead and the Democratic Empire Lives [Re: Stonehenge] * 2
    #18902349 - 09/28/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Ron paul is one of the true conservatives, no wonder you don't like him. "isolationist" meaning he doesn't want us meddling in every shit pot in the world. Good for him.




He's a fucking moron.  Everybody meddles with everybody and only a drooling moron wouldn't realize that.
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I should clarify my remarks about the big shots picking obama. I really doubt they wanted him to win, they probably preferred romney, anyone would have been better. What you may have overlooked is they have to give the sheep some sort of choice or illusion of choice. If romney was the only candidate the sheep would revolt. So they pick the demo candidate that will both do as they are told on major issues and also are acceptable to the demos. Hillbilly would have worked but she was behind in the primaries and was paid off to quit fighting.




Paid off?  :flowstone:  She fucking lost and there is no reason to believe she would have been any better than the commie cunt we got.
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>The common man in the street is better off than he was 20 years ago.  He didn't have a cell phone then.

Average income in 1993 dollars is lower than it was then. It used to be the father worked and supported the family and was able to buy a house and save money. Today both work and are falling behind. I realize that does not concern you but the country as a whole is worse off.




Bullshit.
http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Income-Distribution.php
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>We did fuck all in Libya and Syria.  Libya was a French operation.  Syria?  So what if we give some assholes guns?  It hasn't amounted to dick.

We keep stirring up the anthills and the islamists who you hate end up in control. They almost took over in egypt. If we had meddled in egypt beyond throwing money at them, it would be islamist now instead of secular.




Obama encouraged the Muslim Brotherhood.  That's it.  We haven't changed the money we give them when Morsi took over and we haven't changed it since.  I don't think you have any clue at all what happened there.  Obama encouraged Mubarek's ouster but that's it.  It was entirely internal.  And Obama was so fucking stupid that he didn't realize the only organized political opposition was the MB.  The people of Egypt saw what they had elected and went nuts and the army took over.  We had nothing to do with either of it.
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I know you hate to discuss issues and prefer to rant.




Every time I see someone refer to the population as sheep I read it as them saying "baaaa".  I present more factual links than anybody in this forum.

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    #18902769 - 09/28/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

>Paid off?  :flowstone:  She fucking lost and there is no reason to believe she would have been any better than the commie cunt we got.

I can agree with that. Her payoff was sec of state and almost sure nomination in '16

>Bullshit.
http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Income-Distribution.php

Your own chart proves what i said. The top quintile did well but the rest barely went up and fell way behind when inflation is factored in.

>Obama encouraged the Muslim Brotherhood.

So what, obama is a fool. I'm not talking about egypt so much when i say the muslims took over when we meddled. Look at iraq and afghanistan, we have little to no control there and radical muslims are in charge. Look at syria and the fool obumble is arming the radical jihadists. Iraq was controlled by a secular person who didn't like islam that much, saddam. But he was "bad" so he had to go now the nutcases are in charge.

>L. Ron is an anti-semitic nitwit with a child's view of the world and a PIed Piper for idiotic sophomores.

He is not in the pocket of israel, which is good. Our country should be run by us, not by an ally. Too much influence by any outside group is bad.

>I present more factual links than anybody in this forum.

Your link proved my point. Inflation means those '67 dollars are equal to $4 today which means the top quintile got a little ahead, the top 5% did very well and the rest fell way behind. Or do you believe in inflation?


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>Paid off?  :flowstone:  She fucking lost and there is no reason to believe she would have been any better than the commie cunt we got.

I can agree with that. Her payoff was sec of state and almost sure nomination in '16


  There are quite  few Democrats who beg to differ.  Also her health is not that great.
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>Bullshit.
http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Income-Distribution.php

Your own chart proves what i said. The top quintile did well but the rest barely went up and fell way behind when inflation is factored in.



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You said they went down.  They did not and the chart factors inflation in.
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>Obama encouraged the Muslim Brotherhood.

So what, obama is a fool.




Yes
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I'm not talking about egypt so much when i say the muslims took over when we meddled. Look at iraq and afghanistan, we have little to no control there and radical muslims are in charge.




Actually, no.  Afghanistan is more secular now and I don't see any difference in Iraq. 
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Look at syria and the fool obumble is arming the radical jihadists.




Yes he is, but that is because HE is an idot.  That does not establish that everybody is an idiot
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Iraq was controlled by a secular person who didn't like islam that much, saddam. But he was "bad" so he had to go now the nutcases are in charge.




He invaded another nation and then failed to live up to the terms of his surrender agreement.  Now he's dead.  Ding dong.
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>L. Ron is an anti-semitic nitwit with a child's view of the world and a PIed Piper for idiotic sophomores.

He is not in the pocket of israel, which is good. Our country should be run by us, not by an ally. Too much influence by any outside group is bad.




I didn't say that.  I said he is an anti-semitic idiot.  His newsletter has proven it.  Israel is one of our greatest and most useful allies.  Get over it.
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>I present more factual links than anybody in this forum.

Your link proved my point. Inflation means those '67 dollars are equal to $4 today which means the top quintile got a little ahead, the top 5% did very well and the rest fell way behind. Or do you believe in inflation?




The chart was adjusted for inflation.  :flowstone:


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    #18902839 - 09/28/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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>Paid off?  :flowstone:  She fucking lost and there is no reason to believe she would have been any better than the commie cunt we got.

I can agree with that. Her payoff was sec of state and almost sure nomination in '16


  There are quite  few Democrats who beg to differ.  Also her health is not that great.
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>Bullshit.
http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/Household-Income-Distribution.php

Your own chart proves what i said. The top quintile did well but the rest barely went up and fell way behind when inflation is factored in.



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You said they went down.  They did not and the chart factors inflation in.
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>Obama encouraged the Muslim Brotherhood.

So what, obama is a fool.




Yes
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I'm not talking about egypt so much when i say the muslims took over when we meddled. Look at iraq and afghanistan, we have little to no control there and radical muslims are in charge.




Actually, no.  Afghanistan is more secular now and I don't see any difference in Iraq. 
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Look at syria and the fool obumble is arming the radical jihadists.




Yes he is, but that is because HE is an idot.  That does not establish that everybody is an idiot
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Iraq was controlled by a secular person who didn't like islam that much, saddam. But he was "bad" so he had to go now the nutcases are in charge.




He invaded another nation and then failed to live up to the terms of his surrender agreement.  Now he's dead.  Ding dong.
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>L. Ron is an anti-semitic nitwit with a child's view of the world and a PIed Piper for idiotic sophomores.

He is not in the pocket of israel, which is good. Our country should be run by us, not by an ally. Too much influence by any outside group is bad.




I didn't say that.  I said he is an anti-semitic idiot.  His newsletter has proven it.  Israel is one of our greatest and most useful allies.  Get over it.
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>I present more factual links than anybody in this forum.

Your link proved my point. Inflation means those '67 dollars are equal to $4 today which means the top quintile got a little ahead, the top 5% did very well and the rest fell way behind. Or do you believe in inflation?




The chart was adjusted for inflation.  :flowstone:

The next chart adjusts for inflation in chained 2012 dollars based on a research variant of the Consumer Price Index, the CPI-U-RS. In other words, the incomes in earlier years have been adjusted upward to the purchasing power of the most recent year in the series.


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    #18903168 - 09/28/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I looked at the inflation so called adjusted chart and its a govt lie. If you believe the official figures then its true but then you will have to admit you believe obama's lies along with the others. They leave out stuff like the cost of energy and food because its "volatile". So what, we all have to pay it no matter if the govt wants to count it or not. True inflation is at least 400%+ in that time period and some have said as high as 700%

>I didn't say that.  I said he is an anti-semitic idiot.  His newsletter has proven it.  Israel is one of our greatest and most useful allies.  Get over it.

The so called statement in one of his newsletters was written by someone else and he has disavowed it. 

>Actually, no.  Afghanistan is more secular now and I don't see any difference in Iraq.

No difference in iraq? Saddam was secular and now the al quaida branch is running wild. At least saddam kept them in check, now they have another country to control. Same with libya and if they have their way, with syria. Next is sudan and iran. I know you hate iran but they have not done anything wrong in a long long time.

> There are quite  few Democrats who beg to differ.  Also her health is not that great.

My great hope is she will flop the other way and not run but whether you admit it or not, she is the top democrap contender at this moment. Hill and billy back in the whitehouse, what a nightmare!

The big money people, which you are not, control the worlds politics to a great degree. A few selected billionaires make sure that no one who will not take orders gets a nomination. Quite often the top 3 or 4 in each party are sold out. Hillbilly is sold out, romney while he would have been a 10x better president, would have taken orders too. Obummer followed all the policies of bush jr that he said he was against. Every damn one and the health care takeover is just a payoff to insurance companies and a strategy to make govt in control of every aspect of our lives.


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    #18903561 - 09/28/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I looked at the inflation so called adjusted chart and its a govt lie. If you believe the official figures then its true but then you will have to admit you believe obama's lies along with the others. They leave out stuff like the cost of energy and food because its "volatile". So what, we all have to pay it no matter if the govt wants to count it or not. True inflation is at least 400%+ in that time period and some have said as high as 700%




:flowstone:  They measured the same shit before.  KooKoo.
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>I didn't say that.  I said he is an anti-semitic idiot.  His newsletter has proven it.  Israel is one of our greatest and most useful allies.  Get over it.

The so called statement in one of his newsletters was written by someone else and he has disavowed it.




It was under his name and everything else he has ever said has not done one thing to dissuade me from the notion that he is an anti-semitic piece of shit
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>Actually, no.  Afghanistan is more secular now and I don't see any difference in Iraq.

No difference in iraq? Saddam was secular and now the al quaida branch is running wild. At least saddam kept them in check, now they have another country to control. Same with libya and if they have their way, with syria. Next is sudan and iran. I know you hate iran but they have not done anything wrong in a long long time.




I am going to repeat myself for the particularly slow.  We had fuck all to do with Syria and Libya.  In regards to Iraq, al Qaeda is an outlaw terror group there.  They do not run anything.
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> There are quite  few Democrats who beg to differ.  Also her health is not that great.

My great hope is she will flop the other way and not run but whether you admit it or not, she is the top democrap contender at this moment. Hill and billy back in the whitehouse, what a nightmare!




Name recognition.
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The big money people, which you are not, control the worlds politics to a great degree. A few selected billionaires make sure that no one who will not take orders gets a nomination. Quite often the top 3 or 4 in each party are sold out. Hillbilly is sold out, romney while he would have been a 10x better president, would have taken orders too. Obummer followed all the policies of bush jr that he said he was against. Every damn one and the health care takeover is just a payoff to insurance companies and a strategy to make govt in control of every aspect of our lives.




I agree the government people want to make government control every aspect of our lives.  I do not agree that that is in big money's desire.  There is no cabal conspiring to run the government.  The Koch Brothers are big money.  Where did they come down on this?  Paranoid kook is paranoid kook.


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    #18903745 - 09/28/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

>We had fuck all to do with Syria

Even the liberal media admits we sent them arms.

>In regards to Iraq, al Qaeda is an outlaw terror group there.  They do not run anything.

Outlawed by who, the shaky puppet govt in place? They can't even protect themselves let alone wipe out al quaida.

(in regards to fake inflation from '67 onward)
>They measured the same shit before.

You are making even less sense now. What was it we were arguing about originally? It seems to have gotten lost in the rant. When you come up with some credible facts besides known govt lies, we can talk. Otherwise, rant alone.


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    #18903772 - 09/28/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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>We had fuck all to do with Syria

Even the liberal media admits we sent them arms.




That amounts to fuck all, as you well know.
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>In regards to Iraq, al Qaeda is an outlaw terror group there.  They do not run anything.

Outlawed by who, the shaky puppet govt in place? They can't even protect themselves let alone wipe out al quaida.




That deoesn't mean al Qaeda runs anything.  Pay attention.
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(in regards to fake inflation from '67 onward)
>They measured the same shit before.

You are making even less sense now. What was it we were arguing about originally? It seems to have gotten lost in the rant. When you come up with some credible facts besides known govt lies, we can talk. Otherwise, rant alone.




  Proving you wrong with links is not a rant.  I don't rant, you rant.  With extra spittle.  They measured the wages and inflation the same way throughout the graph.  What were we arguing?  Your false assertion that the average working person has lost ground in absolute terms.  It was false.


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    #18903943 - 09/28/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

We are completely off topic but the cpi is a false index that most economists do not agree with. Here is an article that even you might understand. I remember when gas was less than 50 cents a gallon and that was later than '67. What is gas today? Everyone buys gas and pays energy prices. Oil prices went from $3 a barrel to over $100 today. But energy and food are excluded from the cpi.

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/12.12/biglie.html

Normal people have no trouble defining how they measure inflation in their own lives. They compare what the same exact purchases of goods and services cost them today versus one-year earlier. It would include everything they spend money on.

Big ticket items like gasoline, insurance (health, life, auto and property/casualty), food and utility bills have the greatest impact. Increases in other major expense categories such as college tuition, property taxes, FICA, Federal, state and local income taxes can also add tremendously to the year-over-year true cost of living.

Those of us old enough to have lived through the 1970s remember the bad old days when prices were escalating at a sickening pace. An item that cost $1 on Jan. 1, 1969, cost $1.31 five years later. At the end of the ten year period, the cost had shot up to $1.92!

The officially reported 1980 CPI increase of 13.91% was the 'straw that broke the camel's back' in terms of what our leaders were willing to admit to. They decided to change the way CPI was calculated to avoid making people even more upset.

Intentionally understating CPI also served to diminish COLA (cost of living adjustments) in government salaries, pensions and social security obligations. It also kept the rates paid on government borrowing somewhat below what would otherwise have been demanded by bond vigilantes. Those nasty lenders insisted on being compensated for the fast-diminishing value of their dollars.

Unions across America used the high CPI rates to justify huge increases in pay and benefits. While inflation calmed down from the roaring period described below the BLS again adjusted their calculation of CPI in 1990 to further understate the truth as most of us see it.

Today's headline core CPI excludes food and energy completely. That's impossible for us to do that in our real lives. Remember the old sub-$2 per gallon gasoline prices? How about the health insurance premiums, grocery expenses and electric bills you're paying today versus four or five years ago?


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    #18906666 - 09/29/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Dr Paul Price doesn't even know what a big ticket item is.  It isn't food or gasoline.  It is cars and houses and boats. 

Nice cut and paste job.  I didn't think you were alive in the seventies.


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    #18907200 - 09/29/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

People can live without boats, lol. My point was that the lying administration always uses the cpi that leaves out day to day expenses like food and gas, heat, etc. They do not want the sheep to see true inflation or unemployment figures. True unemployment is at least 14% and if you count underemployment its much worse than that.

We are quickly on our way to being a nation of mostly part timers. The ofumblecare act will accelerate that process. The fool in chief will gladly veto any bill that does not fund his pet project no matter if it puts usa into default. He will try to blame his own veto on the repubs and the media will repeat this message over and over. How stupid do people have to be to believe that the repubs made obama put us into default? He is counting on the repubs to once again cave in and give him his way.

Then, when and if the ofumblecare act is put into place the media will shout that happy days are here again. Later, the public will find out that costs have gone up and medical care is no more affordable than before, in fact less so. They will also find that many doctors will not take new medicare patients and so the lie of universal access will also be exposed.


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    #18907211 - 09/29/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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People can live without boats, lol. My point was that the lying administration always uses the cpi that leaves out day to day expenses like food and gas, heat, etc. They do not want the sheep to see true inflation or unemployment figures. True unemployment is at least 14% and if you count underemployment its much worse than that.

We are quickly on our way to being a nation of mostly part timers. The ofumblecare act will accelerate that process. The fool in chief will gladly veto any bill that does not fund his pet project no matter if it puts usa into default. He will try to blame his own veto on the repubs and the media will repeat this message over and over. How stupid do people have to be to believe that the repubs made obama put us into default? He is counting on the repubs to once again cave in and give him his way.

Then, when and if the ofumblecare act is put into place the media will shout that happy days are here again. Later, the public will find out that costs have gone up and medical care is no more affordable than before, in fact less so. They will also find that many doctors will not take new medicare patients and so the lie of universal access will also be exposed.



They deliberately leave out volatile commodities like food and gas because they are, wait for it, volatile.  Obamacare is going to do just what it was intended to do, get a vast supply of voters on the government tit.  The only people who will see their costs go down are those millions who get subsidies.  By the way, young people are going to get utterly fucked.


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    #18907238 - 09/29/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

>They deliberately leave out volatile commodities like food and gas because they are, wait for it, volatile.

And mostly because those items go up the most. Volatile implies that it goes back down after going up. Gas prices are one step back, two steps forward. Not much volatile about that. I can't recall the last time food prices went down.

>Obamacare is going to do just what it was intended to do, get a vast supply of voters on the government tit.  The only people who will see their costs go down are those millions who get subsidies.  By the way, young people are going to get utterly fucked.

Very true and the govt tit is in danger of going dry. They will no doubt blame that on conservatives rather than the spendthrift liberals who put us into this situation.


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    #18907288 - 09/29/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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>They deliberately leave out volatile commodities like food and gas because they are, wait for it, volatile.

And mostly because those items go up the most. Volatile implies that it goes back down after going up. Gas prices are one step back, two steps forward. Not much volatile about that. I can't recall the last time food prices went down.They go up and they go down




Gas prices, insanely volatile
http://www.infomine.com/investment/metal-prices/crude-oil/all/

Do you know why food prices have gone up so much lately?  The ethanol mandate, which is also increasing gasoline costs.  And lets get some more GMOs working.
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>Obamacare is going to do just what it was intended to do, get a vast supply of voters on the government tit.  The only people who will see their costs go down are those millions who get subsidies.  By the way, young people are going to get utterly fucked.

Very true and the govt tit is in danger of going dry. They will no doubt blame that on conservatives rather than the spendthrift liberals who put us into this situation.




They're already doing it just like they ignore Dem stubborness and rail against Republican stubbornness.  Word to the press, The House of Representatives was also elected and a lot of them were elected specifically to ditch Obamacare.  Why are they crying about Republicans delaying some parts of it when Obama has delayed a lot more for his preferred cronies?

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