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Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health
    #18895514 - 09/26/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Opposing Views

By Emily Smith, Thu, September 26, 2013

Heavy cannabis consumption has no negative effects on a person’s health or use of health care services, according to a study conducted by the Boston Medical Center.

The study intended to combat opposing arguments that tax revenue brought in through cannabis legalization would not be offset by increased health care costs.

Researchers studied 589 adults who screened positive for drug use during primary care visits. Data was then collected on these patients concerning their drug use, emergency room use and overall health status.

Past medical information was also obtained from patient health records.

Because marijuana users often use a second drug, like cocaine or opioids, primary author and researcher Daniel Fuster, MD said it was important to distinguish between those who used marijuana and those who used multiple illicit drugs.

Among the patients tested, 58 percent used marijuana alone.

The study found no difference in health and hospitalization between daily cannabis users and those who abstained.

“Our findings suggest that marijuana use has little measurable effect on self-reported health or healthcare utilization in adults using drugs identified in a primary care clinic,” Fuster wrote.

The study was conducted in partnership with the Boston University School of Medicine.


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18895944 - 09/26/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

psychological stress has correlation with physical stress. they both have something to do with ones health.

so i dont see how this is true. a scenario; if someone's hereditary disease is 'released' by marijuana - creating a stressed out individual making him weaker and more prone to disease and injury.

this is realistic and happens all the time.

also, according to brain scans, daily or a few days a week users show the most action when shown there drug of choice through the senses of smell and visual, im not sure if 'hearing' tests were done. but other responses to other things that are fun and such showed complete lack of interest, a numbness.

this affects your chemicals and causes imbalances, in other words it IS bad for your health - regarding chronic marijuana use.

but to say it can't be bad for your health Come on!thats just ignorant


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18895966 - 09/26/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

itchmynipple said:
psychological stress has correlation with physical stress. they both have something to do with ones health.

so i dont see how this is true. a scenario; if someone's hereditary disease is 'released' by marijuana - creating a stressed out individual making him weaker and more prone to disease and injury.

this is realistic and happens all the time.

also, according to brain scans, daily or a few days a week users show the most action when shown there drug of choice through the senses of smell and visual, im not sure if 'hearing' tests were done. but other responses to other things that are fun and such showed complete lack of interest, a numbness.

this affects your chemicals and causes imbalances, in other words it IS bad for your health - regarding chronic marijuana use.

but to say it can't be bad for your health Come on!thats just ignorant




I think the title is misleading

“Our findings suggest that marijuana use has little measurable effect on self-reported health or healthcare utilization in adults using drugs identified in a primary care clinic"

I haven't noticed any serious negative effects of chronic cannabis use compared to other drugs that I have abused. I have noticed little things like throat irritation and insomnia/irritability while abstaining but that's about it...


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18895986 - 09/26/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

IME, smoking a doob is quite soothing and, to be honest, I generally feel better. But some may be different.
BTW, tell me, what hereditary disease is going to be "released" by marijuana use?


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18895999 - 09/26/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

ToiletDuk said:
IME, smoking a doob is quite soothing and, to be honest, I generally feel better. But some may be different.
BTW, tell me, what hereditary disease is going to be "released" by marijuana use?




bipolar, schizophrenia, psychosis..


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18896012 - 09/26/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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itchmynipple said:
so i dont see how this is true. a scenario; if someone's hereditary disease is 'released' by marijuana - creating a stressed out individual making him weaker and more prone to disease and injury.


and why should this be attributed to marijuana and not the hereditary disease in question? you put released in brackets for a reason--because marijuana does not cause anything in these cases--a catalyst (if that) is not a cause


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also, according to brain scans, daily or a few days a week users show the most action when shown there drug of choice through the senses of smell and visual, im not sure if 'hearing' tests were done. but other responses to other things that are fun and such showed complete lack of interest, a numbness.


'drug of choice', so are we talking marijuana here or what?
regardless, how is anyones choice of 'fun' activities a signal for bad health?


Quote:

this affects your chemicals and causes imbalances, in other words it IS bad for your health - regarding chronic marijuana use.

but to say it can't be bad for your health Come on!thats just ignorant


care to provide your study on this? rather than vague positing


finally, instead of getting wrapped up in pop-sci scensational headlines about 'no negative effect on health', why not actually check out the study:

Quote:

"Even though we could not compare marijuana users to those who used no drugs at all, our findings suggest that marijuana use has little measurable effect on self-reported health or healthcare utilization in adults using drugs identified in a primary care clinic," said lead author Daniel Fuster, MD, a postdoctoral scholar from the Clinical Addiction Research and Education Unit at BMC and BUSM.




seems like a pretty reasonable conclusion, if you ask me


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18896036 - 09/26/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

itchmynipple said:
Quote:

ToiletDuk said:
IME, smoking a doob is quite soothing and, to be honest, I generally feel better. But some may be different.
BTW, tell me, what hereditary disease is going to be "released" by marijuana use?




bipolar, schizophrenia, psychosis..




You have to be predisposed to those conditions for cannabis to bring them out...You don't just get schizophrenia from smoking pot. If that were true then we'd have schizophrenics everywhere


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: Can-i-bus]
    #18896058 - 09/26/13 09:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Can-i-bus said:
Quote:

itchmynipple said:
Quote:

ToiletDuk said:
IME, smoking a doob is quite soothing and, to be honest, I generally feel better. But some may be different.
BTW, tell me, what hereditary disease is going to be "released" by marijuana use?




bipolar, schizophrenia, psychosis..




You have to be predisposed to those conditions for cannabis to bring them out...You don't just get schizophrenia from smoking pot. If that were true then we'd have schizophrenics everywhere




haha ok what about

Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18896101 - 09/26/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:fuckpalm:

Have you seen the sample size for that dumbass study that determined that a illness?
Fucken A


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: dark3st]
    #18896117 - 09/26/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

dark3st said:
:fuckpalm:

Have you seen the sample size for that dumbass study that determined that a illness?
Fucken A




Lol, so you agree its an illness brought on by marijuana?


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18896142 - 09/26/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No the exact opposite

Its ONE study, with a SUPER small sample group.so I don't view it as a study, i dont buy propaganda like you.


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18896162 - 09/26/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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itchmynipple said:
Quote:

Can-i-bus said:
Quote:

itchmynipple said:
Quote:

ToiletDuk said:
IME, smoking a doob is quite soothing and, to be honest, I generally feel better. But some may be different.
BTW, tell me, what hereditary disease is going to be "released" by marijuana use?




bipolar, schizophrenia, psychosis..




You have to be predisposed to those conditions for cannabis to bring them out...You don't just get schizophrenia from smoking pot. If that were true then we'd have schizophrenics everywhere




haha ok what aboutannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome[/quote


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18896178 - 09/26/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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itchmynipple said:
Quote:

Can-i-bus said:
Quote:

itchmynipple said:
Quote:

ToiletDuk said:
IME, smoking a doob is quite soothing and, to be honest, I generally feel better. But some may be different.
BTW, tell me, what hereditary disease is going to be "released" by marijuana use?




bipolar, schizophrenia, psychosis..




You have to be predisposed to those conditions for cannabis to bring them out...You don't just get schizophrenia from smoking pot. If that were true then we'd have schizophrenics everywhere




haha ok what about

Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome




jeez heres another:rolleyes:


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18896192 - 09/26/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

woah so you mean with real science there's actually nothing wrong with smoking weed... Go figure.


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18896198 - 09/26/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

itchmynipple said:
Quote:

itchnd, to be honest, I generally feel better. But some may be different.
BTW, tell me, what hereditary disease is going to be "released" by marijuana use?




bipolar, schizophrenia, psychosis..




You have to be predisposed to those conditions for cannabis to bring them out...You don't just get schizophrenia from smoking pot. If that were true then we'd have schizophrenics everywhere




haha ok what about

Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome




jeez heres another:rolleyes:




So you don't believe your self now?


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: dark3st]
    #18896232 - 09/26/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly, i never looked into the meaning of cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome till moments ago, i knew one of you guys were going-to try and decipher it so why bother?

im ahead of the game :P


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18896251 - 09/26/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

itchmynipple said:
psychological stress has correlation with physical stress. they both have something to do with ones health.

so i dont see how this is true. a scenario; if someone's hereditary disease is 'released' by marijuana - creating a stressed out individual making him weaker and more prone to disease and injury.

this is realistic and happens all the time.

also, according to brain scans, daily or a few days a week users show the most action when shown there drug of choice through the senses of smell and visual, im not sure if 'hearing' tests were done. but other responses to other things that are fun and such showed complete lack of interest, a numbness.

this affects your chemicals and causes imbalances, in other words it IS bad for your health - regarding chronic marijuana use.

but to say it can't be bad for your health Come on!thats just ignorant





you're a :lol:

and a :facepalm:

maybe a little  :lamastare:  :imafirinmahlazer:


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18896257 - 09/26/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol I do the same hahaha
Quote:

    Coinciding with the increasing rates of cannabis abuse has been the recognition of a new clinical condition known as Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome




http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22150623/

(Not the study)

Sounds like a money scheme. ...


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18896278 - 09/26/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Poor jimmy. He smoked pot three to four times a week. He was always in the ER all the time before he died of weed...


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: dark3st]
    #18896424 - 09/26/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

dark3st said:
Lol I do the same hahaha
Quote:

    Coinciding with the increasing rates of cannabis abuse has been the recognition of a new clinical condition known as Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome




http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22150623/

(Not the study)

Sounds like a money scheme. ...



:hahyeahwoo:


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: Can-i-bus]
    #18896623 - 09/26/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Can-i-bus said:
Quote:

itchmynipple said:
Quote:

ToiletDuk said:
IME, smoking a doob is quite soothing and, to be honest, I generally feel better. But some may be different.
BTW, tell me, what hereditary disease is going to be "released" by marijuana use?




bipolar, schizophrenia, psychosis..




You have to be predisposed to those conditions for cannabis to bring them out...You don't just get schizophrenia from smoking pot. If that were true then we'd have schizophrenics everywhere




false, it's as enviromental as it is what your saying
its 50/50


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: Konyap]
    #18896680 - 09/26/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nature vs nurture yoyo :billymaythumbup:


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: dark3st]
    #18896702 - 09/26/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I open my mind then slowly but surely I open my mouth


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: Konyap]
    #18897006 - 09/27/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

looks like i was right :lol:


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18897111 - 09/27/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

USA has all sorts of syndromes for all sorts of gullable people. It makes big bucks for pharmaceutical industry. Wake up.

Cannabis promotes health, both mentally and physically.
Don't listen to garbage being spewn by some money hungry prostitute Pharma backed "scientist" study.


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: PsychoReactive]
    #18897201 - 09/27/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

PsychoReactive said:
USA has all sorts of syndromes for all sorts of gullable people. It makes big bucks for pharmaceutical industry. Wake up.

Cannabis promotes health, both mentally and physically.
Don't listen to garbage being spewn by some money hungry prostitute Pharma backed "scientist" study.




cannabis promotes mental and physical health?
okay man... for real its not 'good' for everyone, its not good for most people actually unless there completely recreational and limit there intake then its not bad, but not good.

last time i checked weed slowed me down in all areas of life. killed my motivation, made my actual strength decrease. mentally and physically.

All of my friends, all, who smoke weed regularly- admit weed has slowed them down, whether it be school, sports,in the gym, hanging out, hittin on girls, there attention span drops,thats because there addicted and causing plastic-like changes in there brain, someone go Google brain scans regarding marijuana for me :p -

Smoking weed for injuries is the most bogus thing i've ever heard, and you will not see any professional athlete doing this for a reason. ive had more serious injuries then you can count fingers. ive had surgeries too and weed has only Slowed down my rehabilitation and limited my progress immensely. unless you've got athritis, i still dont see weed helping that much besides being a pain distractor at times.


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18897308 - 09/27/13 03:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

itchmynipple said:
Quote:

dark3st said:
:fuckpalm:

Have you seen the sample size for that dumbass study that determined that a illness?
Fucken A




Lol, so you agree its an illness brought on by marijuana?





What? Dude marijuana does not bring on any illnesses just stop it already whats up with the hate for weed?


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: PsychedelicScience]
    #18897400 - 09/27/13 04:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hey man, seriously you have to link an article. This is the news board not a discussion board for your thoughts and opinions.


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #18898061 - 09/27/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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DebuteMachine said:
Hey man, seriously you have to link an article. This is the news board not a discussion board for your thoughts and opinions.




Why should i have to, there are studies and sources everywhere on brain scans and such. go do it yourself if you really want to know. you Will find it. im spewing truth's ive seen with my eyes. i could care less if you dont want to believe me its not my loss when your smoking j's everyday till 40 wondering why your life revolves around it more than your family.

for you to say cannabis has no negative impact on health, is like saying its not mentally addicting. It is addicting. do you not believe it is?

im addicted to weed - its beyond hard to quit when your smokin it like cigarette more.


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: itchmynipple]
    #18898122 - 09/27/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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itchmynipple said:
im spewing truth's ive seen with my eyes.



hey bru, i'm sorry your marijuana experience was so shitty--but in the world of academic research, what we have here is called anecdotal evidence and it has no relevance beyond that :sorry:


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i could care less if you dont want to believe me its not my loss when your smoking j's everyday till 40 wondering why your life revolves around it more than your family.

for you to say cannabis has no negative impact on health, is like saying its not mentally addicting. It is addicting. do you not believe it is?



and i could care less for your shitty attempts to show the negative impact on health caused by cannabis--as i stated earlier, as have many other individuals in this thread, the study in question DOES NOT STATE THAT CANNABIS IS HARMLESS

what was the conclusion?

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our findings suggest that marijuana use has little measurable effect on self-reported health or healthcare utilization in adults using drugs identified in a primary care clinic




In case you really have smoked yourself silly, what this sentence means is the vast majority of marijuana users (heavy or light) will not feel sicker (thus, the lack of change amongst self-reporting) nor will they feel the need to seek healthcare at a rate different from the general population. Note the use of 'little measurable effect', rather than 'no measurable effect'? This means that a small amount of marijuana users will demonstrate a change in health, but this number is too small to be statistically relevant.

Quit your nitpicking for the most obscure medical conditions that may be exasperated by cannabis--which most users will never experience--in your attempt to invalidate this article and validate your own opinion.



Some people also get bad reactions when eating peanuts--but damn it all if you think that will make me eat less peanuts--know why? because I don't have that reaction


final note: i am not of the opinion that cannabis is completely harmless--i don't think any of the posters in this thread are of that opinion--i just think you are a know it all who appears to know nothing--realize that subjective experiences are not always objective truths


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18898217 - 09/27/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

From a cursory review, the main issues with the study were:

-  Perhaps the biggest drawback to the study was the fact they only assessed drug users.  They then compared drug users that used MJ versus ones that didn't.  They should have compared to a better control group.

- they only assessed "health care use" for a 3 month period.  So they found "no negative effects" over a 3 month period.

- Only 169 of the 589 subjects were "daily users".  So if you smoked once in the past three months, you were included in the study.

- subjects averaged 41 years old.  You might not expect people this young to use healthcare services anyway.

- They used pretty shitty ways to measure "health outcomes", including the EuroQOl and emergency dept. visits.

And so for these reasons, I might wipe my ass with the study, but wouldn't look further into it.


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: badchad]
    #18898311 - 09/27/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

it's definitely not the best study ever--but i'll take it for what it's worth


i just have a few comments on your review:

"Perhaps the biggest drawback to the study was the fact they only assessed drug users.  They then compared drug users that used MJ versus ones that didn't.  They should have compared to a better control group."
From my understanding of the article, the intent of the study was to determine any detectable association between frequency of marijuana use and health, or healthcare utilization. The comparison was made between daily marijuana users and less than daily marijuana users--use of any other drug would mean disqualification from the study. A non-drug using control group would be necessary for a study comparing the effect of marijuana use on health in general, but as already stated, this study was looking at the effect frequency of use has on health.

"Only 169 of the 589 subjects were "daily users".  So if you smoked once in the past three months, you were included in the study."
But they still made a distinction between daily smokers and less than daily smokers--as I already stated, comparison between these two groups was the focus of the study.

"subjects averaged 41 years old.  You might not expect people this young to use healthcare services anyway."
Are you suggesting we slide the average age to a point where people are so old we already expect them to be sick? Where is the value in a study with 75 years old as the average age? It seems to me that 41 is a fairly decent average age for a study of marijuana users--and I'm sure they will still use healthcare services should they fall sick.

"They used pretty shitty ways to measure "health outcomes", including the EuroQOl and emergency dept. visits."
The emergency dept. visits were being used to determine 'utilization of healthcare services'.


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18898422 - 09/27/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
it's definitely not the best study ever--but i'll take it for what it's worth


i just have a few comments on your review:

"Perhaps the biggest drawback to the study was the fact they only assessed drug users.  They then compared drug users that used MJ versus ones that didn't.  They should have compared to a better control group."
From my understanding of the article, the intent of the study was to determine any detectable association between frequency of marijuana use and health, or healthcare utilization. The comparison was made between daily marijuana users and less than daily marijuana users--use of any other drug would mean disqualification from the study. A non-drug using control group would be necessary for a study comparing the effect of marijuana use on health in general, but as already stated, this study was looking at the effect frequency of use has on health.




You had to be a drug user (self-reported use) to gain entry into the study.  The study title is: "No Detectable Association Between Frequency of Marijuana Use and Health or Healthcare Utilization Among Primary Care Patients Who Screen Positive for Drug Use."

You're correct on the purpose of the study, but don't we really want to compare the effects of MJ use vs. non-use?

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"Only 169 of the 589 subjects were "daily users".  So if you smoked once in the past three months, you were included in the study."

But they still made a distinction between daily smokers and less than daily smokers--as I already stated, comparison between these two groups was the focus of the study.





You're correct that the study examined daily vs. non-daily MJ users, but there is a lot of "wiggle room" there.  For example, you could have BOTH someone that smokes MJ 5 of 7 days per week, AND someone that smoked once a month in the "non-daily" group.

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shivas.wisdom said:
"subjects averaged 41 years old.  You might not expect people this young to use healthcare services anyway."
Are you suggesting we slide the average age to a point where people are so old we already expect them to be sick? Where is the value in a study with 75 years old as the average age? It seems to me that 41 is a fairly decent average age for a study of marijuana users--and I'm sure they will still use healthcare services should they fall sick.




No.  I'm suggesting that any health effects observed from MJ are small, and likely build up over time.  For example, regular use might make you get a chest cold two times a year more than a non-smoker.  Over a lifetime, multiplied by millions of people, this might be viewed as a significant health care utilization effect.

Again, I think what we really want to know, is if we legalize MJ today, and have an 18 year old use MJ for life, what is that gonna cost us, so we know the consequences of legalization long-term.

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"They used pretty shitty ways to measure "health outcomes", including the EuroQOl and emergency dept. visits."
The emergency dept. visits were being used to determine 'utilization of healthcare services'.




Same as my previous comment.  ER use seems like a relatively "extreme" endpoint (although they included others).  A poly-drug using, alcoholic junkie probably doesn't use the ER very often in any given three month period.  You'd have to see a pretty extreme outcome measure to detect this.  I speculate the effects of MJ are subtle, so we need a very precise endpoint to capture them.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: badchad]
    #18898488 - 09/27/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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You had to be a drug user (self-reported use) to gain entry into the study.  The study title is: "No Detectable Association Between Frequency of Marijuana Use and Health or Healthcare Utilization Among Primary Care Patients Who Screen Positive for Drug Use."
You're correct on the purpose of the study, but don't we really want to compare the effects of MJ use vs. non-use?





I think that would be a very useful study as well, but I feel that studying the effect frequency has on marijuana users is also something we should want to do--though I agree, even within this study, a non-drug using  control group would have benefits.


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You're correct that the study examined daily vs. non-daily MJ users, but there is a lot of "wiggle room" there.  For example, you could have BOTH someone that smokes MJ 5 of 7 days per week, AND someone that smoked once a month in the "non-daily" group.




I'm not sure where exactly the cutoff point would have been--the study itselfs mentions putting 'almost daily' use in the same group as 'daily', though in essence what you say remains true.


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No.  I'm suggesting that any health effects observed from MJ are small, and likely build up over time.  For example, regular use might make you get a chest cold two times a year more than a non-smoker.  Over a lifetime, multiplied by millions of people, this might be viewed as a significant health care utilization effect.
Again, I think what we really want to know, is if we legalize MJ today, and have an 18 year old use MJ for life, what is that gonna cost us, so we know the consequences of legalization long-term.





I think this would call for a long term study, rather than a shift in average age of participants. I still think ~40 is a good average age for a study like this, though.


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Same as my previous comment.  ER use seems like a relatively "extreme" endpoint (although they included others).  A poly-drug using, alcoholic junkie probably doesn't use the ER very often in any given three month period.  You'd have to see a pretty extreme outcome measure to detect this.  I speculate the effects of MJ are subtle, so we need a very precise endpoint to capture them.




I don't know, maybe the situation is different in the US--but up in Canada many people use the ER for common things--fever, stomach ache, bumps and scrapes, etc etc--it's a huge problem actually--but it does show that people don't only go to ER's for extreme symptoms--or, people have widely varying concepts of extreme symptom.


On the whole though, I agree with you in that the study could have been made stronger--perhaps the tenuous results from this will inspire another.


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: badchad]
    #18898537 - 09/27/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, while cannabis does have its down side, it's still a rather innocuous drug. It won't kill you, it won't give you cancer, it won't cause you to hurt someone (usually), and it certainly won't have you deathly ill if you're suddenly deprived of it after being habituated to it.


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    #18898558 - 09/27/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The only negative effect (downplaying) is it being illegal!


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: dark3st]
    #18898588 - 09/27/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, there's that too. But that will change, methinks.


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Re: Study: Cannabis Consumption Has No Negative Effect on Health [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18898607 - 09/27/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Me thinks me hopes me correct :datass:


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