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First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ
    #18895017 - 09/26/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Posted: Sep 24, 2013 10:31 PM CST
Updated: Sep 24, 2013 11:01 PM CST

By Greg Argos

PHOENIX (CBS5) - Banner's Poison Control Center says the two first cases of people using a drug that can rot flesh have been reported in Arizona.

"We've had two cases this past week that have occurred in Arizona," said Dr. Frank LoVecchio, the co-medical director at Banner's Poison Control Center.

"As far as I know, these are the first cases in the United States that are reported. So we're extremely frightened," he continued.

The drug is known as Krokodil, and it's extremely popular in Russia. Users mix codeine with hydrocarbons, like gasoline, oil or alcohol. The mixture is then filtered and boiled before being injected into the vein. LoVecchio says users end up injecting fuel into their bodies.

"They extract [the drug] and even though they believe that most of the oil and gasoline is gone, there is still remnants of it. You can imagine just injecting a little bit of it into your veins can cause a lot of damage," he said.

In fact, what ends up happening is the flesh can rot from the inside out. Some users even develop sores that resemble alligator skin, hence the name of the drug.

"When [drug users] do it repeatedly, the skin sloughs. It causes hardening of their skin. It will cause necrosis," explained LoVecchio.

LoVecchio believes the two cases reported in Arizona are linked, but he couldn't elaborate on the patients' conditions. He says he hopes the trend does not continue to spread.

"Where there is smoke there is fire, and we're afraid there are going to be more and more cases," he said.

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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18895038 - 09/26/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

But whatever we do, let's not legalize opiates.  Things work out better when people take a poorly prepared concoction from an unregulated underground lab, suffer major tissue damage, then inevitably wind up incarcerated for an insane and arbitrary number of years as dictated by drug war zealotry.  Yeah, that's the best solution.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18895039 - 09/26/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:rofl:

the things kids are doing to get high...

fuck, another good thing about growing up in the 90s. real lsd, real mdma, real mushrooms... real drugs. holy shit.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: dokunai]
    #18895087 - 09/26/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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dokunai said:
But whatever we do, let's not legalize opiates.  Things work out better when people take a poorly prepared concoction from an unregulated underground lab, suffer major tissue damage, then inevitably wind up incarcerated for an insane and arbitrary number of years as dictated by drug war zealotry.  Yeah, that's the best solution.



Well, you see, "Krokodil" is normally made using a "legal" opiate. In Russia where the drug has seen the most popularity, it's made using an over-the-counter cough medicine with codeine in it, which is them converted to desomorphine which is the active chemical in "Krokodil".

I don't see this one catching on in the US in the foreseeable future because codeine cannot be purchased over-the-counter. Therefore, in order to make this drug in the US you would either have to be prescribed codeine or buy it on the black market, at which point any sensible user would be buying heroin instead.

The reason why desomorphine in the very unpure form of "Krocodil" is so popular in Russia is because they in some places have a very draconian crackdown on heroin and it's near unavailable, and you can just walk to the pharmacy and buy the codeine and convert it.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: mylfgur]
    #18895091 - 09/26/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

sounds like i need to set up shop in russia.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Not Responding]
    #18895135 - 09/26/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Codeine is OTC in Russia and pure solvents are harder to get there so they make "krokodil" using solvents like gasoline. I'm sure the stuff they found in AZ is actual desomorphine that someone made up and it was of greater purity than anything you'll find in Russia. It is the impurities in krokodil that really mess you up and are responsible for the necrosis, not the drug itself.

Since codeine can't be had OTC here it will never be a wide spread problem. Also the availability of relatively pure solvents at any hardware store here eleviates the need to use dirty stuff like gasoline. So even if desomorphine starts to be sold in decent quantities I doubt we'll see many cases of necrosis. Of course there are idiots that will still use gas because that is what they use over there without knowing there are better substitutes.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Smushroom]
    #18895177 - 09/26/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I "stumbled upon" an article about this drug a couple years ago. Sounds terrifying. But, then again, if youre willing to put something in your veins that will rot your fucking flesh off...Then I say go for it, you crazy bag of shit.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Not Responding]
    #18895328 - 09/26/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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:rofl:

the things kids are doing to get high...

fuck, another good thing about growing up in the 90s. real lsd, real mdma, real mushrooms... real drugs. holy shit.




Ahhh, the good old days... (sniff)


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Scarab74]
    #18895470 - 09/26/13 07:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Scarab74 said:
Quote:

Not Responding said:
:rofl:

the things kids are doing to get high...

fuck, another good thing about growing up in the 90s. real lsd, real mdma, real mushrooms... real drugs. holy shit.




Ahhh, the good old days... (sniff)





Ill toast to that!  :toast:


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Not Responding]
    #18895577 - 09/26/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Not Responding said:
fuck, another good thing about growing up in the 90s. real lsd, real mdma, real mushrooms... real drugs. holy shit.




This cannot be overstated. A few solid and willing LSD producers could save the world right now.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Dickhead]
    #18895631 - 09/26/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Is there not anymore authentic LSD out there anymore? Or has it all become fake-ass RCs?


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18895697 - 09/26/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No, there's still LSD out there. There's just so many of those fake-ass RCs around now in such vast quantities, that it's made real acid much harder to come by.

It's almost like finding a needle in a haystack, depending on where you live.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18895743 - 09/26/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

RC's are more likely to be found but it all depends on connections. Real Lucy will allways be out there


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Brakepad]
    #18895757 - 09/26/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, that's a relief. I really can't do it anymore due to high blood pressure problems, but it's nice to know the younger folks can get to enjoy it now.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18895959 - 09/26/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
Is there not anymore authentic LSD out there anymore? Or has it all become fake-ass RCs?




One of the LSD analog RC's out right now is better than LSD I think.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Eminence]
    #18895993 - 09/26/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

all the war on drugs is doing is making people resort to more and more untested dangerous shit than ever. then they spend billions of dollars a year to keep these people incarcerated where they smuggle drugs into prison and continue doing them anyways lol


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: dirty]
    #18896006 - 09/26/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't blame the war on drugs for idiots injecting toxins into their veins. If they're making the stuff out of codeine, just take the damn codeine or don't be such an idiot and learn how to make your "krokidil" the right way lol.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Eminence]
    #18896229 - 09/26/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I was in class today and this woman about 23 or so was saying this stuff hit Arizona. I was just a bit shocked since she works in the E.R and I remember watching the VICE doc on this drug. Crazy stuff.

Btw frylock which analog of LSD would you say is better than LSD-25?


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Atrium]
    #18896292 - 09/26/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think he's talking about AL-LAD :awesome:

It's said to be less of a mind fuck and gives a smoother trip than LSD, so that'd be my guess.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18897500 - 09/27/13 06:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'd be down to try some desomorphine(krokodil) if it was made properly. It's just a super potent form of morphine, stronger than diacetlymorphine(heroin). There's nothing extremely toxic about pure desomorphine. There has to be a better method for street chemist to purify it, with a proper reflux condenser system for a couple hundred dollars and the right methods it shouldn't be too hard, it's really stupid to boil a bunch of chemicals in a pot if actually sything something.

I don't agree that opiates should be legal, that would be a disaster. IMO, it's already too easy to get powerful opioids like buprenorphine and methadone. U just tell a doc you've been using a lot opioids and want to stop and they give u plenty. U don't even need health insurance for methadone in most states.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Into The Woods]
    #18898188 - 09/27/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Into The Woods said:
I think he's talking about AL-LAD :awesome:

It's said to be less of a mind fuck and gives a smoother trip than LSD, so that'd be my guess.




There's also LSZ out now which is more potent by weight than LSD.

My question is where did they get all of the components... and not know how to purify the end product. You have to be somewhat diligent to make Krokidil in the States. Red phosphorous is harder to come by than any drug and would need to be produced at home with a lot of labor.

The whole thing just seems like a ridiculous amount of effort. It would be a wise task to undertake in bulk, say purchase what amounts of 30g of codeine and bulk react it all. But to simply do say a script of 30x30mg tablets would be asinine.

It's a shame because they almost got awards out of the whole deal. Sept the Darwin requires you to die.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: PurpleHaze147] * 1
    #18898205 - 09/27/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't agree that opiates should be legal, that would be a disaster.




No.  Prohibition isn't stopping people from using opioid drugs.  Prohibition of opioids is ruining lives as is... incarcerating people , making it more difficult for people to get legit pain meds, and is an exorbitant waste of tax dollars that could be better spent treating people with opioid problems at their discretion. 

Not to mention creating enormous black markets that peddle impure drugs resulting in overdoses, needle sharing, etc.  And the cartels that control the trade murder people, among other things.

Several countries have decriminalized heroin and have not seen dramatic increases in use.  I highly encourage you to investigate this more before regurgitating the falsehood that prohibition of "hard drugs" is an obviously superior policy alternative.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Society]
    #18898318 - 09/27/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

^That would like quadruble the amounts of opiate addicts and ods. U can get methadone or subs without even touching opiates. They give out suboxone for freaking Kratom, it doesn't even show up on a test u can just fake the whole situation and get a crazy amount of opioids for a non tolerant user.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: Society]
    #18898348 - 09/27/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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there's ivs aid:
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I don't agree that opiates should be legal, that would be a disaster.[/legalizing .  Prohibition isn't stopping people from using opioid drugs.  Prohibition of opioids is ruining lives as Kratom.incarcerating people , making it more difficult for people to get legit pain meds, and is an exorbitant waste of tax dollars that could be better spent treating people with opioid problems at their discretion. 

Not to mention creating enormous black markets that peddle impure drugs resulting in overdoses, needle sharing, etc.  And the cartels that control the trade murder people, among other things.

Several countries have decriminalized heroin and have not seen dramatic increases in use.  I highly encourage you to investigate this more before regurgitating the falsehood that prohibition of "hard drugs" is an obviously superior policy alternative.



This one guy in my rehab was there for Kratom. He got just as much suboxone as me and I was shooting at least 10 bags of heroin a day. I was so pissed he was sitting there just nodding away. Suboxone is Soooooo much stronger than kratom. He said he was doing $400 of Kratom a day, STFU he wasn't tho. 10 bags of heroin cost $40

The point is theres subz and methadone U can get easily. Anyone can get it. Everyone would love to be on an opiate, leaglizing them would cause an epidemic.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: PurpleHaze147]
    #18898491 - 09/27/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The US has a pretty high rate of addiction and crime associated with it. I don't think legallizing it will increase the # of users but I do think that it would create more problems in terms of addiction due to reduced price which would in turn lead to more addiction related crime.

I am very much in favor of decriminalization of most (if not all) drugs so that people aren't jailed over personal use. The only way I would ever consider legalizing anything would be if there was a system in place to regulate it and also to fund the necessary treatment needed to deal with the addiction problems.

What I am 100% in favor of is more research and truthfullness when it comes to drug use, abuse, and risks. Saying all drugs are bad is stupid because its clearly false, it is the same as preaching abstenance. There needs to be legit research on drug side effects, counterindications, and overall risk and that info needs to be made openly available. This would eliminate a huge portion of the problems related to uneducated drug use.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: PurpleHaze147]
    #18898843 - 09/27/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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PurpleHaze147 said:
Everyone would love to be on an opiate, leaglizing them would cause an epidemic.




You managed to cram two patently false statements into one short sentence.  I applaud your efforts.


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Re: First Cases of Flesh-Eating Drug Reported in AZ [Re: PurpleHaze147] * 2
    #18899481 - 09/27/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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^That would like quadruble the amounts of opiate addicts and ods. U can get methadone or subs without even touching opiates. They give out suboxone for freaking Kratom, it doesn't even show up on a test u can just fake the whole situation and get a crazy amount of opioids for a non tolerant user.




I don't believe that there is any evidence that suggests that decriminalizing/legalizing opioids would cause a dramatic increase in users.  Nor is there evidence that the jail cell and criminal record are effective deterrents in curbing drug use/addiction.  In fact, as I pointed out, several other countries have decriminalized possession of small amounts of Heroin and other drugs without any resulting epidemic whatsoever.

The US population doesn't contain droves of people just wishing they could use copious amounts of hard drugs, if only they were legal.  The people who really want to use opioids for recreation are going to find means of doing so... methadone/suboxone, kratom, stealing, pill mills, opium tea, using prescriptions illegally, or probably the most common method, illegally buying Heroin of varying and questionable purity from sketchy channels.

Decrim/legalization of opioids doesn't mean selling Heroin at Toys R Us tomorrow.  It means removing the paternal government's punitive measures from being the bottom line of dealing with drug use in society.


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