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Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him
    #18889254 - 09/25/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Heart to Heart with Ram Dass
My experience with him

As a donor to the love serve remember foundation, I requested a heart to heart with spiritual teacher Ram Dass and author of Remember Be Here Now, the sacred holy book sometimes called the hippie bible. I was scheduled about 6 months ago to communicate to him through skype video phone an app I have on my iphone. Me and Elise my spiritual wife and tantric partner got a chair and pillow, testing the phone so we could see each other well. We sat on the couch near 10 pm in new jersey, waiting for Ram Dass's skype call for Maui.

And there he was, smiling glowing, deep in his soul looking at me and Elise as fellow souls on the spiritual journey to oneness He said "You are like two flowers". I start by telling ram dass about myself, he listened so well. I explained how I first became spiritual due to an amazing LSD experience when I was 17, and then reading his book be here now. It glowed, and I felt a strong vibration from the book. As I read the story of Ram Dass's transformation from Richard Alpert Phd to Ram Dass, I cried, feeling my heart open right when he met our guru, Neem Karoli Baba. I further explained how the middle section of the book was read to me by a divine voice, having my first spiritual experience without psychedelics and realizing that "everything is part of waking up." like it says in the book. I explained about my youtube channel where I share the teachings of be here now and the ebook I wrote called Spiritual Bipolar.

Ram Dass even though these days he is in his soul mostly, that sees the one love in everything, that loves all unconditionally, is also a human being like us... And you could tell he loved hearing about how his book and teachings influenced me in a positive direction. We were connecting and excited... much laughter, joy and love.
I told him that I felt totally content and had no desires. Ram Dass was happy for me, as the three of us rested in our soul in the here now.

One of the first questions I asked him was about the future of the world and the global awakening happening now. He doesn't talk about it much, but last year he mentioned sensing the dissolving of nation states building a new world community based on abundance and consciousness. I asked him to further elaborate, to which he stated he feel there are pockets of awakening all over the world, then he started saying monkey, monkey, monkey, having trouble remembering a concept because of his stroke. Elise shouted out "100 monkey effect" and we all laughed. I realized he sensed what I sensed, that the consciousness is going to reach enough of a vibration and culmination that will cause the whole of humanity to leap forward into a collective consciousness, then we can build this new global system beyond nations and divisions of peoples. The term 100 monkey effect is a scientific concept, that if a certain number in a species realizes something in their consciousness it effects the whole species no matter what the distance. Ram Dass suggested to make this world a better place I continue to radiate the love he feels from me, to everybody. I explained to ram dass that I can be in my soul and love everybody but I have difficulty loving the actions done... Ram Dass explained that in loving everybody you love their souls, there is no need to love their actions, This gave me a profound sense of peace in my love struggles.

The conversation carried on for about an hour, during a part of it... I told Ram Dass that I thought he was enlightened because enlightenment happens here now not in the future. He admitted that sometimes he thinks he is enlightened other times not, he struggles with the fear, of merging his soul into the oneness, preferring to be in the soul or little spiritual entity. We shared stories about our Guru Neem Karoli Baba... Elise was holding a picture of baba up the whole time during the heart to heart... at the end of the talk, Ram Dass said I had convinced him, that he was enlightened. He said, "I am Maharajji" which is what his guru is sometimes called...

The heart to heart was less about words and concepts, listening and sharing, It was more about the loving vibe we shared, and resolving of important questions. Me and Elise both felt so loved. I am grateful to God for this communication with Ram Dass, I will never forget it... It continues to sink in each day more and more, bringing me into the here now moment, where I can be ONE with it all.


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: Cosmicjoker]
    #18890727 - 09/25/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thats awesome dude!


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: Cosmicjoker]
    #18892866 - 09/26/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Very cool. One of my spiritual heroes.


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: Cosmicjoker]
    #18893335 - 09/26/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I stood next to Ram Dass in Miami many years ago. I was at a 50th birthday thing at the Knight Center. I watched all these people getting hugs in a relatively small venue, and I was too uptight to even introduce myself, so I just watched. Being with my nasty-ass, non-spiritual ex-wife didn't help any. But, the way I see it now is that he is not going to benefit from one more acolyte (me) telling him how much he is appreciated, and anythig he could say to me would just stroke my ego. He HAS been immensely helpful. I wrote a 222 page (significant number! They put it on the motel door in the last episode of 'Sleepy Hollow' and repeats in my life constantly) doctoral dissertation based on a brief paragraph Ram Dass wrote in his book The Only Dance There Is. But I thoroughly appreciate your contact with him.


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18893537 - 09/26/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I went to a talk given by him once.  He was very stoned and very boring, repeating old stories while the audience genuflected.  I thought I was going to enjoy it but I came away with a very different impression.  My gf had to be talked into going and the look she gave me after about fifteen minutes of listening to his nonsense let me know it was going to be at least a week before I'd get laid.  I know when I'm in trouble and I grabbed her and we got the hell out of there and grabbed a bite to eat.  She was in a better mood after that. :doggystyle:


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18894760 - 09/26/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I stood next to Ram Dass in Miami many years ago. I was at a 50th birthday thing at the Knight Center. I watched all these people getting hugs in a relatively small venue, and I was too uptight to even introduce myself, so I just watched. Being with my nasty-ass, non-spiritual ex-wife didn't help any. But, the way I see it now is that he is not going to benefit from one more acolyte (me) telling him how much he is appreciated, and anythig he could say to me would just stroke my ego. He HAS been immensely helpful. I wrote a 222 page (significant number! They put it on the motel door in the last episode of 'Sleepy Hollow' and repeats in my life constantly) doctoral dissertation based on a brief paragraph Ram Dass wrote in his book The Only Dance There Is. But I thoroughly appreciate your contact with him.





Wait, 222 is significant becauase it was in an episode of Sleepy Hollow?  The same TV series which turns Sleepy Hollow into the Revelations?  Oh, I can see now how important that all is....


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: eve69]
    #18894862 - 09/26/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I am glad some of you got something out of my experience, I know he doesn't resonate with everyone, but in our case, our vibe synches up quite nicely. Thank you all, read every word.


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: Cosmicjoker]
    #18895042 - 09/26/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I read Be Here Now when I was a kid and I have to say he totally misrepresented what a guru is about. For him and his gang of the time, they were all about creating a larger than life personage - a guy who is so large that dosed with 100 hits of acid he acts no different.  I was one of those idiots who looked for super powers in indian gurus and it took me a lot of work to rid myself of the super human larger than life shit and get to what's pertinent and real. Be Here Now created a lot of yearning for bullshit. Not a book of wisdom. Do I like that book still yes, but now I know it's like Castaneda and Svoboda and other tellers of spiritual yarns.


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: eve69]
    #18895317 - 09/26/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I stood next to Ram Dass in Miami many years ago. I was at a 50th birthday thing at the Knight Center. I watched all these people getting hugs in a relatively small venue, and I was too uptight to even introduce myself, so I just watched. Being with my nasty-ass, non-spiritual ex-wife didn't help any. But, the way I see it now is that he is not going to benefit from one more acolyte (me) telling him how much he is appreciated, and anythig he could say to me would just stroke my ego. He HAS been immensely helpful. I wrote a 222 page (significant number! They put it on the motel door in the last episode of 'Sleepy Hollow' and repeats in my life constantly) doctoral dissertation based on a brief paragraph Ram Dass wrote in his book The Only Dance There Is. But I thoroughly appreciate your contact with him.





Wait, 222 is significant becauase it was in an episode of Sleepy Hollow?  The same TV series which turns Sleepy Hollow into the Revelations?  Oh, I can see now how important that all is....




No. I'm just saying that the number 222 comes up repeatedly in my life, and if you look into Stan Tenen's Meru Project, the number finds a central place in Kabbalistic numerology. I think Cosmic Joke turned me onto the Meru Project on these forums. The TV show could have picked hundreds of numbers for their religious-occult show, and chose 222.


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: Icelander]
    #18895403 - 09/26/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's the same with all gurus. I absolutely dig Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now. It has been downright medicinal for me at the height of some terrible anxiety during the last summer. It's the only book that I've read 4 or 5 times. BUT, I would never shell out $450 (or $900 for two) just to sit in a private seminar with him. Everything I need is in his book. I get the personalization though. When I was a 20 year old acid head in college, and had a campus rep for being a Cosmic Cadet, I had one girl ask me to place my hands on her head for a blessing, and another guy came up to me while I sat for 4 hours under a tree, bent down and touched my toes. It's the same need that fundamentalist-minded Christians have in their insistence on a historical Jesus who is going to return from the clouds (unless he is taken out by a pair of USAF F-22 Raptors first). Personally, I think this is one of the things Chogyam Trungpa called "spiritual materialism."  :shrug: I feel indebted to Ram Dass for BE HERE NOW. It had a prominent place in my life for 10 years, long after the 70s had ended, and that era was largely forgotten.


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18895568 - 09/26/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's the same with all gurus. I absolutely dig Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now.




If you enjoyed The Power of Now, I might suggest you check out Be As You Are, a collection of dialogues with Ramana Maharshi assembled by David Godman.  Here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/Be-You-Are-Teachings-Maharshi/dp/0140190627/ref=sr_1_1/181-6980871-4863166?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380244455&sr=1-1&keywords=david+godman


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: Mahananda]
    #18896541 - 09/26/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's the same with all gurus. I absolutely dig Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now.




If you enjoyed The Power of Now, I might suggest you check out Be As You Are, a collection of dialogues with Ramana Maharshi assembled by David Godman.  Here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/Be-You-Are-Teachings-Maharshi/dp/0140190627/ref=sr_1_1/181-6980871-4863166?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380244455&sr=1-1&keywords=david+godman




Thanks. I have been reading Ramana's works published in India, as well as Paul Brunton's books, probably since 1973. But I will check this link out.


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #18897478 - 09/27/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's the same with all gurus. I absolutely dig Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now. It has been downright medicinal for me at the height of some terrible anxiety during the last summer. It's the only book that I've read 4 or 5 times. BUT, I would never shell out $450 (or $900 for two) just to sit in a private seminar with him. Everything I need is in his book. I get the personalization though. When I was a 20 year old acid head in college, and had a campus rep for being a Cosmic Cadet, I had one girl ask me to place my hands on her head for a blessing, and another guy came up to me while I sat for 4 hours under a tree, bent down and touched my toes. It's the same need that fundamentalist-minded Christians have in their insistence on a historical Jesus who is going to return from the clouds (unless he is taken out by a pair of USAF F-22 Raptors first). Personally, I think this is one of the things Chogyam Trungpa called "spiritual materialism."  :shrug: I feel indebted to Ram Dass for BE HERE NOW. It had a prominent place in my life for 10 years, long after the 70s had ended, and that era was largely forgotten.





It may be an analog concept but Spiritusal Materialism refers to feeling a sense of spiritual accomplishment as based in all the wonderful exotic expensive high falutin teachings one takes rather than in the milk and meat spirituality of one who simply cannot be otherwise than spiritual.  You can't stuff enough in your head to make you something you're not.


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: eve69]
    #18897513 - 09/27/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

By that do you mean that everyone is "spiritual" whether they know it or not?


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: Mahananda]
    #18897639 - 09/27/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's the same with all gurus. I absolutely dig Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now.




If you enjoyed The Power of Now, I might suggest you check out Be As You Are, a collection of dialogues with Ramana Maharshi assembled by David Godman.  Here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/Be-You-Are-Teachings-Maharshi/dp/0140190627/ref=sr_1_1/181-6980871-4863166?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380244455&sr=1-1&keywords=david+godman



I'll have to check this out. I've been enjoying a lot of what he had to say about things.


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: nicechrisman]
    #18897662 - 09/27/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The collective consciousness is pretty real

I've met many people who I seem to know right when I meet them, and like they know everything about me the second they see me
or read books that were like my own thoughts , or often random people saying what I'm thinking word by word(basically confirmation, was starting do doubt a bit maybe, couldn't put words on what I was experiencing)

Because we are one

Living in the moment is always a good idea :-)
no worries there, only peace

See the good in people/the world , notice beauty, think positively :-)
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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: Icelander]
    #18897757 - 09/27/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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By that do you mean that everyone is "spiritual" whether they know it or not?





Well, in Tibetan Buddhism of Trungpa they follow Dzogchen or 'The Great Completion' which does in fact state that one has a Buddha-nature, and that the method to realize it is to lighten up. 

So to such Buddhists enlightenment is about liberating oneself from all fetters and most spiritual systems just are substituting one bondage for another - perhaps one with a gilded cage.

The book about spiritual materialism cannot be taken out of Buddhist context and doesn't work for a dualistic framework.  By dualistic I mean the Western and Middle Eastern envisionment of the world being a battle between God and Devil.

One is spiritual if they perceive themselves as spirit, light, feeling, motivated by essential will to be good without any sort of reward, now or in the everafter.

If one is doing seemingly spiritual things for reward this also is spiritual materialism. So if you're being a god girl because you're scared of going to hell, that's not spiritual but materialistic. 

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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: eve69]
    #18897883 - 09/27/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well if your first sentence is correct how would they explain psychopaths?  I mean you aren't going to have any luck telling one of them to just "lighten up " and feel that buddha nature.  Not if psychologists are correct about the extent of that condition.


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    #18898006 - 09/27/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's the same with all gurus. I absolutely dig Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now. It has been downright medicinal for me at the height of some terrible anxiety during the last summer. It's the only book that I've read 4 or 5 times. BUT, I would never shell out $450 (or $900 for two) just to sit in a private seminar with him. Everything I need is in his book. I get the personalization though. When I was a 20 year old acid head in college, and had a campus rep for being a Cosmic Cadet, I had one girl ask me to place my hands on her head for a blessing, and another guy came up to me while I sat for 4 hours under a tree, bent down and touched my toes. It's the same need that fundamentalist-minded Christians have in their insistence on a historical Jesus who is going to return from the clouds (unless he is taken out by a pair of USAF F-22 Raptors first). Personally, I think this is one of the things Chogyam Trungpa called "spiritual materialism."  :shrug: I feel indebted to Ram Dass for BE HERE NOW. It had a prominent place in my life for 10 years, long after the 70s had ended, and that era was largely forgotten.





It may be an analog concept but Spiritusal Materialism refers to feeling a sense of spiritual accomplishment as based in all the wonderful exotic expensive high falutin teachings one takes rather than in the milk and meat spirituality of one who simply cannot be otherwise than spiritual.  You can't stuff enough in your head to make you something you're not.




Agreed.


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Re: Heart to Heart with Ram Dass, actual one hour conversation with him [Re: Icelander]
    #18898291 - 09/27/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Well if your first sentence is correct how would they explain psychopaths?  I mean you aren't going to have any luck telling one of them to just "lighten up " and feel that buddha nature.  Not if psychologists are correct about the extent of that condition.




It's explained that Buddha taught the Dharma as medicine for karma.  The common element of a psychopath and another person are that they are both people.  I doubt the whole of Dzogchen was expounded to explain psychopaths.  How it came to be that some persons were naturally gentle and enjoyed meditation while others were naturally aggressive and enjoyed killing for sport are more explained by teachings of karma than by teachings of Buddha-nature. But a circumloquacious thinker may be able to better tie the two concepts. I don't think I have the energy. 

In Dzogchen it's taught that the philosophy which deviates the person the least from their life experience is the best for that person.  What I mean by this specifically is that spiritual goals are often made into fixed goals with achievements in themselves.  But in reality the spiritual is already just what it is. It needs nothing to improve upon it. And it can't be improved by quaint sermons and rousing hell and damnation speeches. These are things other than the spiritual.

If you already had all the parts (which you do) then would you need to travel to Tibet to find that you have them?  If you did and then returned sure the trip may have been exotic and wondrous, but wasn't it just an excursion away from your actual reality?

We cannot conceive of a life where people do not act spiritual even though such acting is actually an act for something which cannot be seen nor explained.  And so we have ingrained the notion that we must go to Crusades for the Lord, if we must.

How horrified all those old souls would be to find out, truly nothing had been wanting, for ourselves, for infidels, for any. The wars were just a waste of resources.

The psychopath reared its ugly head in the guise of the priest. This is a type of thought which necessitates lots of understanding. Otherwise it becomes a lot like the tail chasing mutt.


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