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krypto2000
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Opinions on washing jars after use?
#18893299 - 09/26/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just wondering what the opinion is, is it wasted effort? There is often mycilium stuck to the walls, some grans left behind stuck to the walls, etc, but is this really bad to reuse and essentially throw into the spawn on the next run? I really can't see why it would be personally, but have yet to test it.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: krypto2000]
#18893356 - 09/26/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Personally, I don't take chances with this kind of thing. The one thing I know I do not want is contams and so I don't take any chances or try to cut corners(or what seems to be cutting corners at least...).
That being said I have used ~20 dirty jars that I never washed and simply let dry out. There was dry grains in them and nasty stuff dried up on the sides.
Colonized fine and at the same speed as other clean ones alongside them.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: provo]
#18893403 - 09/26/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I almost never bother washing my jars. I don't usually have grains stuck to the walls, though... I find that if I get the moisture level right and spawn them soon after they're fully colonized, all the grains come out.
If there were grains stuck in there, I'd at least scrape them out with a spoon or brush. Dry stuff can harbor contaminants that are harder for steam to kill.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: krypto2000]
#18893742 - 09/26/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was questioning the same thing yesterday when I prepared jars. I played it safe and cleaned them with soap and sponge just in case. I'm sure the steam would sterilize anything in the jar though...that's the purpose.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: MycoUco]
#18893825 - 09/26/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I rinse and wash my used jars with soapy water, right along with the rest of my dishes for the day.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18893866 - 09/26/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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As long as they are cleaned properly with warm, soapy water and then dried your good to go
Its a pain in the ass washing a lot of jars, but really doesnt take that long to do
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Just seems lazy to me not to wash yr jars tbh
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: Skinty]
#18894092 - 09/26/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can you expect something that's not clean to be sterile?
Wash your damn jars, you lazy hippy.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18894270 - 09/26/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: How can you expect something that's not clean to be sterile?
Wash your damn jars, you lazy hippy.
^This
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: Stromrider]
#18894281 - 09/26/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Organic matter is food for any contaminants that land on it. Why wouldn't you wash that off?
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: sukhavati12]
#18894295 - 09/26/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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sukhavati12 said: Organic matter is food for any contaminants that land on it. Why wouldn't you wash that off?
Because your pressure cooking anyway? 
That being said, I used to hate washing my jars. Until I fixed the dishwasher!
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: DeadPhan]
#18894314 - 09/26/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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DeadPhan said: That being said, I used to hate washing my jars. Until I fixed the dishwasher! 
As 36fuckin5 said - you are a lazy fu**in hippy 
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: Skinty]
#18894325 - 09/26/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, nothing wrong with hating washing jars. I can't stand it but I know it has to be done. A bottle brush makes it a little better.
The dishwasher does work wonders though. Just make sure to either clean them immediately after spawning or soak them in water before the dishwasher.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: krypto2000] 1
#18894342 - 09/26/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Op, since you don't know the answer to that question, I'll never come over to your house for dinner
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18894376 - 09/26/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will only buy and use wide mouth jars now because narrow mouth jars are such a pain. I usually let my jars soak in hot soapy water for a few hours and then rinse them out. Even easier and more thorough than the dishwasher ime.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18894916 - 09/26/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: How can you expect something that's not clean to be sterile?
Wash your damn jars, you lazy hippy.
I'm not a hippie. I'm a deadhead! Although I do wash my jars, so maybe that explains it.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: DeadPhan]
#18894974 - 09/26/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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DeadPhan said: I'm not a hippie. I'm a deadhead!
Hehe, I say that all the time. There is definitely a difference.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18895162 - 09/26/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought people always washed their jars after use I guess not hmm.
I use bleach and warm/hot water and leave them in the mixture for a few hours, then rise off all the bleach water really good and then dry them off and let them sit on the dish rack. It works great
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: Esmash]
#18895184 - 09/26/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never wash my jars ever. Maybe rinse them after I spawn but nothing more than that. The pressure cooker does it's job on everything.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: Esmash]
#18895192 - 09/26/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find it hard to believe you guys dont wash your jars Just don't procrastinate and do it as soon as you spawn or see that it is contaminated, doesn't take too long. A little soap and a little bleach and presto! Good as new, plus it is a waste to keep buying glass jars even if they are cheap. I hope you guys are recycling them atleast...
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I don't even have bleach in my house. I really think it has no purpose anywhere in the cultivations of cubes. The PC is going to sterilize everything so any little grains that get left over are just food for the next batch. I make sure the threads and everything are gunk free so they don't grow contams under the ring while the jars colonizes but all I do is rinse the jars with water after I spawn and it's never ever going to cause a problem because they get sterilized at 15psi for 90m.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: bodhisatta]
#18895254 - 09/26/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I don't even have bleach in my house. I really think it has no purpose anywhere in the cultivations of cubes. The PC is going to sterilize everything so any little grains that get left over are just food for the next batch. I make sure the threads and everything are gunk free so they don't grow contams under the ring while the jars colonizes but all I do is rinse the jars with water after I spawn and it's never ever going to cause a problem because they get sterilized at 15psi for 90m.
Do up 100 jars without washing them, then let them sit for a week. Watch what happens.
Don't be lazy, it won't pay off.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18895266 - 09/26/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said:
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bodhisatta said: I don't even have bleach in my house. I really think it has no purpose anywhere in the cultivations of cubes. The PC is going to sterilize everything so any little grains that get left over are just food for the next batch. I make sure the threads and everything are gunk free so they don't grow contams under the ring while the jars colonizes but all I do is rinse the jars with water after I spawn and it's never ever going to cause a problem because they get sterilized at 15psi for 90m.
Do up 100 jars without washing them, then let them sit for a week. Watch what happens.
Don't be lazy, it won't pay off.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18895274 - 09/26/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I leave them all the time... They're not that dirty only a few grains are left in the jars after dumping them and then the rinse takes care of those. I'm sure a little bit of mold grows on any little residue but really who cares it's not like a jar full of mold I'm sure half the things in my fridge look worse than any jar I have left. I even did this with PF jars which get a lot of mycelium stuck to the glass. All they need is a rinse after birthing. Let them dry out put the lid back on use on a different day sterilize and imagine that no problems.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18895295 - 09/26/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Do up 100 jars without washing them, then let them sit for a week. Watch what happens.
Don't be lazy, it won't pay off.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: bodhisatta]
#18895309 - 09/26/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I suppose this is what the end of the world looks like...
Considering the grains that go into the jars are dirtier than the jar itself after I dry them in a colander, that sits in a cabinet that has dust in the corners, I think things will be A-OK
It's not lazy. I do clean my jars.. I clean them with a pressure cooker because I can't do as good as the PC can, and why waste soap.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (09/26/13 06:35 PM)
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: bodhisatta]
#18895436 - 09/26/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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To each there own my friend, I like my shit clean and get super paranoid about germs when I have a bunch of dirty jars. I hate it, plus if it bothers you that much just go outside and use a hose, takes 30 seconds a jar. Put it on full blast and spray away!
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: sukhavati12]
#18896582 - 09/26/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: How can you expect something that's not clean to be sterile?
By realizing that you're subjecting it to 250-degree steam for 90 minutes, and understanding that that will render the jar and its contents sterile.
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sukhavati12 said: Organic matter is food for any contaminants that land on it. Why wouldn't you wash that off?
Because you're filling the whole jar with food anyway! Are you suggesting you shouldn't put grains in the jars either?
I'm not saying you shouldn't wash your jars, but you guys aren't using good logic.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: toxetel]
#18896644 - 09/26/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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i can wash my wide mouths easily but im having trouble with my regular mouth jars.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#18898456 - 09/27/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: How can you expect something that's not clean to be sterile?
Wash your damn jars, you lazy hippy.
We all expect our grain in the jars to come out sterile do we not? Are you saying you rub dish soap all over it before hand? Do you pump in sterile air as well? I don't know how, but ime they always come out of the PC clean. To this point I've washed all of my jars but thinking about it it seems as pointful as washing a dish, sticking it on the shelf, and then when it's time to eat washing the dish again. I also have left my jars to sit for awhile and within a few days any loose grains are simply covered in mycilium anyway.
Edited by krypto2000 (09/27/13 12:20 PM)
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: krypto2000]
#18898476 - 09/27/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Washed, clean jars smell good and look good. Dirty jars don't.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: LeopardMan]
#18898636 - 09/27/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jars go in the dishwasher and come out nice and sparkly clean, no exceptions. If I were forced to hand wash every jar after every use, I'd switch to bags.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: LeopardMan]
#18898748 - 09/27/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dirty jars smell like fresh mycilium . Does a fully colonized jar smell dirty? I'm not talking about contaminated jars, I always wash those, though I would be interested how they would work too honestly, it *is* all going into the PCer to be sterilized after all. Perhaps if you had a trich contamination for instance and then you left all the spores in the before PCing it the mycilium would be contaminant resistant against those since the dead byproducts of the burst spores would be present from the beginning.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: krypto2000]
#18898804 - 09/27/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They do smell like fresh mycelium when the mycelium is fresh. If you leave them in your closet for more than a couple of days, your mycelium is no more fresh, am I correct?
Besides I just a don't want a closet full of unwashed jars. That said, it's free country man
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: LeopardMan]
#18898850 - 09/27/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't rrecall if they smelled like fresh mycilium or not, though I know I've smelled them after sitting for awhile and I'm actually inclined to say that they did. This is after ~2 weeks or more I'd have to guess. Have you ever seen mycilium 'die' for that matter? It always seems to be overtaken by contaminants eventually or if it fully colonizes a substrate it just keeps eating it until.. well... it's gone. Afaik everyone has always either thrown their substrate away after it appears to not be producing anymore mushrooms or it gets overtaken by contaminants after awhile.
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Re: Opinions on washing jars after use? [Re: krypto2000]
#18898900 - 09/27/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry but I have some issues with your logic. Fresh mycelium smell like fresh mycelium when it is fresh, i.e. when it's healthy and alive.
After two weeks in your closet the mycelium dries out and dies. At that point it doesn't smell like fresh mycelium, believe me It doesn't stink either. But a perfectly clean jar is so much better smellwise
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