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LoveLightPeace



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Vermiculite bulk tek?
#18892297 - 09/26/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have heard that one can use vermiculite as bulk substrate for cubes but is there a tek for it? How does one do it? just mix the grains in with the verm? 1 part grain 2 parts verm...?
If anyone knows a tek id greatly appreciate it!
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Verm is a legitimate bulk substrate, but only for small amounts. Verm is non-nutritive, so it cannot increase nutrients for your flush. but it can provide moisture during colonization and fruiting. Try a casing or tub and see what you think. You'd really be better off with a coir or poo tek for casings or tubs. Just use the search function. Peace
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Re: Vermiculite bulk tek? [Re: GungGung]
#18892329 - 09/26/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Research "Rez Effect".
Ignore info that says verm has no nutrients and is only used for moisture retention.
That is just not true, it contains trace minerals, and makes a great bulk substrate material.
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GungGung said: You'd really be better off with a coir or poo tek for casings or tubs.
No one grows mushrooms on casings, that is the incorrect term.
Coir and/or manure is not casing material, they are bulk substrate materials.
Casing layer materials should have no nutrients.
Do not confuse bulk substrates with casing layers, they are completely different.
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Re: Vermiculite bulk tek? [Re: PussyFart]
#18892366 - 09/26/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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1. Casings is a prejorative for cased trays or tubs. 2. I did not imply that. 3.Correct 4.Also correct (i made no implication as to bulk substrates and casing layers being synonymous) Peace
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Re: Vermiculite bulk tek? [Re: GungGung]
#18892399 - 09/26/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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GungGung said: 1. Casings is a prejorative for cased trays or tubs.
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RogerRabbit said: You guys seriously need to stop referring to your substrate trays as 'casings'. That is an incorrect term unless all you have is a casing layer and no manure, grains, or anything. Nobody grows mushrooms on 'casings', period.
The casing layer is only the top layer on a colonized bulk substrate, nothing else. 'Casing' sure as hell isn't a name for a mushroom growing project. RR
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Re: Vermiculite bulk tek? [Re: PussyFart]
#18892414 - 09/26/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, the term "cased" imply's that the project in question has a casing layer, be it a tub or a tray or a cake.
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Re: Vermiculite bulk tek? [Re: PussyFart]
#18892445 - 09/26/13 02:18 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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GungGung said: 1. Casings is a prejorative for cased trays or tubs.
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RogerRabbit said: You guys seriously need to stop referring to your substrate trays as 'casings'. That is an incorrect term unless all you have is a casing layer and no manure, grains, or anything. Nobody grows mushrooms on 'casings', period.
The casing layer is only the top layer on a colonized bulk substrate, nothing else. 'Casing' sure as hell isn't a name for a mushroom growing project. RR
Thnx. So does one need to pasteurize or sterilize vermiculite which is going to be used as substrate? (If theres a tek plz refer me to it as i cudnt find anything other than teks for verm casings)
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Re: Vermiculite bulk tek? [Re: PussyFart]
#18892473 - 09/26/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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LoveLightPeace said: Thnx. So does one need to pasteurize or sterilize vermiculite which is going to be used as substrate? (If theres a tek plz refer me to it as i cudnt find anything other than teks for verm casings)
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Notahacker420 said: Research "Rez Effect".
Search results.....
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RogerRabbit said: Verm is mineral and fungi has a voracious appetite for minerals. This is why adding gypsum gives such a boost. There may be better substrates out there, but vermiculite is definitely mushroom food as has been proved for 20 years with the pf tek.
One need only hydrate the vermiculite to field capacity, place in jars and sterilize. Then mix with your spawn in a tray. Cover and when fully colonized, remove the cover and fruit. Rez effect is a poor name for using verm as a bulk substrate. It was originally thought by the person who coined that term that verm was only a water reservoir. I also used to think this until my own experiments proved otherwise. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16393606#16393606
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RogerRabbit said: The name 'rez effect' was coined when it was thought that vermiculite had no nutrients and was only a moisture reservoir. The idea was to mix grains and verm in roughly a 50/50 mix for fruiting. However, we know now that the verm acts as a bulk substrate, supplying both moisture and minerals to support a flush.
Pasteurize moistened vermiculite and mix your colonized wbs into it. Spread it out in a tray and cover with foil for a week to ten days until fully colonized. Then, expose to fruiting conditions. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12126154#12126154
My guess is both ways will work, but you should try both and see which you prefer.
Check out Frank's Tek List in my signature for his pasteurization tek.
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Re: Vermiculite bulk tek? [Re: PussyFart]
#18896705 - 09/26/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thnx:)
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