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OfflineGregHimself
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Bulk neglect pictures
    #1889194 - 09/06/03 08:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Ok so i finally got my digital camera working again, and i am going to post some pictures of my FOAFs bulk neglect and maybe someone could shed a little insight into:

a.What the hell strain are these?
b.why are there a few shrooms that are huge but yet the majority of them abort and he is not yielding near what he should?

Thanks guys/gals for any insight you may have.



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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: GregHimself]
    #1889209 - 09/06/03 08:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

its unfortunate that all of those didnt fully mature, because thats a crazy set of shrooms, good luck though i hope your next attempt is a fully mature set of shrooms


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: dibbles]
    #1889227 - 09/06/03 08:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

See my FOAF has picked like 2 60gram wet shroomies from this so far...and that one there looks like it will be another...and with the aborts and all he has gotten like 2 oz dry, and he is really not complaining...but crap man, i have heard of people getting 8oz dry each flush with this tek...


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: GregHimself]
    #1889235 - 09/06/03 08:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

if all those grew full size you'd be sitting on a huge stock of shrooms, i feel bad, thats like the shrooms taunting you,


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: dibbles]
    #1889258 - 09/06/03 09:08 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

It totally is, they are taunting me HARD CORE! arrrrrrgh


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: GregHimself]
    #1889266 - 09/06/03 09:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Be careful with the dried samples of aborts, they will not be weak :smile:

2 Oz's of primarly aborts and you could go quite hard.


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: utopianglory]
    #1889271 - 09/06/03 09:14 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

oh believe me.. my foaf learned that real quick...took like 3gr of aborts...never tripped that hard and he has done up to 6 grams...3 grams of aborts and it was the best trip he has ever had.


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: GregHimself]
    #1890329 - 09/07/03 05:12 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

My guess on the strain would be b+. They look like b+ and I've heard lots of people having problems with lots of b+ aborts and a few really huge shrooms. Of course, your case is the most extreme I've ever seen.



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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: Tremor1127]
    #1890677 - 09/07/03 12:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Why are the aborts more potatant than fully matured shrooms??


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: Piper]
    #1890868 - 09/07/03 02:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Why are the aborts more potatant than fully matured shrooms??




Because Psiclobyn content is not directly proportional to mushroom size. A large percentage of the Pciclobyn content in a mature mushroom is present at the pinning stage.


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: OJK]
    #1890895 - 09/07/03 02:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

im sorry greg =(


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: ahel]
    #1890906 - 09/07/03 02:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

did you use an isolate or a multi-spore innoculation?


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: acidhead1279]
    #1890946 - 09/07/03 02:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

multi spore..although i believe some of the jars o used in that box were from a liquid culture IE. maple syurp in water.


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: OJK]
    #1892260 - 09/07/03 11:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Odiumjunkie said:
Quote:

Why are the aborts more potatant than fully matured shrooms??




Because Psiclobyn content is not directly proportional to mushroom size. A large percentage of the Pciclobyn content in a mature mushroom is present at the pinning stage.




so why not just pick them all early? befoer the viel breaks?


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: jerrygarcia]
    #1892505 - 09/08/03 12:58 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

good point, if you picked all your shroom before they fully mature you could have shrooms with "higher" potency no?


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: enacid]
    #1892528 - 09/08/03 01:11 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

well i believe mycophile used an isolate


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: enacid]
    #1894236 - 09/08/03 02:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

No. there is a difference between aborts and underdeveloped mushrooms.

greg, you said you already got 2 60 gram fruits of this (!) maybe the nutrients are getting low, I can't really tell by the picture, but the amount of substrate will dictate how much and how potent fruits will be.

Check for the following:

Overlay
growing conditons and techniques
contams (black flies especially)




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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: soochi]
    #1894272 - 09/08/03 03:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

The only thing that i think i narrowed it down to..is the casing layer may have been overcolonised...so is it better to patch everything until the hyphial(sp) knots for and just let those grow through the casing? or does the casing need to be visibley colonised?


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Re: Bulk neglect pictures [Re: soochi]
    #1894306 - 09/08/03 03:09 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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so why not just pick them all early? befoer the viel breaks?




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good point, if you picked all your shroom before they fully mature you could have shrooms with "higher" potency no?




The reasoning goes like this: Aborts contain more psycoactive compounds per gram, but because bigger mushrooms are, well, bigger, they contain more pyscoactive compounds overall. In an ideal setup, all mushrooms would be picked at the abort stage until the substrate had become completely exhausted of nurtients, but realistically this is not practical due to the contraints of time and the fact that older substrates are more prone to contamination.

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