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In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose?
    #18891762 - 09/25/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just read a Cracked article about misconceptions that kids movies promote and one of them points out that sometimes the bullies win, or perhaps often if they were that much more assertive and strong than you to begin with.

What do you guys think? Do bullies usually come out on top or do they finally get theirs?

Anyone willing to share real-life outcomes they've seen is highly encouraged to do so.



The super-rich, everyone-wants-to-be-him bully from my elementary school went to different schools after that. I finally looked him up online and Facebook stalked him once, a couple years into college. I stumbled onto his wall about 3 posts after he publicly admitted he has a severe drinking problem and after a few replies, decided to go home rather than stay at college.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18891784 - 09/25/13 10:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I like to believe that the universe balances out, but look at major corporations, cops, and some politicians.  Im guessing a few of those guys were bullies and haven't changed


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18891789 - 09/25/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Even if they go through their whole life getting away with bullying people and manipulating their way through things, the bully will always be losing in the end. Sometimes their victims will lose too.

That's just my like philosophical perspective of lightness unity and love though


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox] * 3
    #18891798 - 09/25/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nobody "gets theirs", for better or worse. That is just wishful thinking.
Karma and golden rules, all bullshit. What people get is a result of their own actions and decisions.

A spoiled rich prick acquiring a drinking problem is not any sort of karmic justice anymore than if he were struck dead by lightning. Perhaps whatever factors drove him to be a bully in school also motivated his drinking. Who knows, besides him?

Point being, bully/victim is never a clear-cut issue and attempting to pick the winners and losers is a little bit juvenile.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18891799 - 09/25/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

st1llnox said:
Just read a Cracked article about misconceptions that kids movies promote and one of them points out that sometimes the bullies win, or perhaps often if they were that much more assertive and strong than you to begin with.

What do you guys think? Do bullies usually come out on top or do they finally get theirs?

Anyone willing to share real-life outcomes they've seen is highly encouraged to do so.



The super-rich, everyone-wants-to-be-him bully from my elementary school went to different schools after that. I finally looked him up online and Facebook stalked him once, a couple years into college. I stumbled onto his wall about 3 posts after he publicly admitted he has a severe drinking problem and after a few replies, decided to go home rather than stay at college.



I remember discussing this in philosophy class

I think it was plato who said that the only reason to be "good" as a person is for your own benefit

Let me rephrase the answer; do you honestly think that the type of person who is so insecure about his or herself to the point they have to physically and verbally assert themselves to others constantly is happy? People who do fucked up things and get away with it typically will have larger probelms to deal with than the guilt of the kid that they just bullied. ie some underlying issues

Keep in mind this is Plato's idea in the republic. You may want to double check it is the right greek philospher and the right text. I didnt come up with this, i am just agreeing with it


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox] * 3
    #18891818 - 09/25/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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The super-rich, everyone-wants-to-be-him bully from my elementary school went to different schools after that. I finally looked him up online and Facebook stalked him once, a couple years into college. I stumbled onto his wall about 3 posts after he publicly admitted he has a severe drinking problem and after a few replies, decided to go home rather than stay at college.




Is this one of those weird, third person, confessions? You know, the SWIM kind.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: koods]
    #18891822 - 09/25/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

koods said:
Quote:

st1llnox said:
The super-rich, everyone-wants-to-be-him bully from my elementary school went to different schools after that. I finally looked him up online and Facebook stalked him once, a couple years into college. I stumbled onto his wall about 3 posts after he publicly admitted he has a severe drinking problem and after a few replies, decided to go home rather than stay at college.




Is this one of those weird, third person, confessions? You know, the SWIM kind.



LOL damn I didn't think about that


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: koods] * 2
    #18891823 - 09/25/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Nah, the guy said a drinking problem, not a DXM problem.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: something super extreme]
    #18891859 - 09/25/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You have inferred the problem was drinking alcohol. Cough syrup is a liquid.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: koods]
    #18891863 - 09/25/13 11:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Entirely possible. I didn't hear much about how the guy is a self-described genius who fails calculus classes, though.
I'm thinking these two aren't the same. :shrug:


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: koods]
    #18891902 - 09/25/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

st1llnox said:
The super-rich, everyone-wants-to-be-him bully from my elementary school went to different schools after that. I finally looked him up online and Facebook stalked him once, a couple years into college. I stumbled onto his wall about 3 posts after he publicly admitted he has a severe drinking problem and after a few replies, decided to go home rather than stay at college.




Is this one of those weird, third person, confessions? You know, the SWIM kind.



:rofl2::highfive:


Also, the only true winner in the end is whoever bitches about their life the least. And if a bully is doing that then he's just a bitch.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18891913 - 09/25/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Also, the only true winner in the end is whoever bitches about their life the least.



that's the worst possible way you could look at this specific situation


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Sheekle]
    #18891920 - 09/25/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How so? I mean whoever is most satisfied with their life obviously has got something better going on.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18891932 - 09/25/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Just because someone was "bullied" doesn't mean they can't have a satisfying life. Honestly if they care that much about what one douchebag thinks of them then they should man the fuck up anyway.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: something super extreme]
    #18891934 - 09/25/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuckspice said:
I like to believe that the universe balances out, but look at major corporations, cops, and some politicians.  Im guessing a few of those guys were bullies and haven't changed



Replace bullies with psychopaths, arguably similar traits.  Many successful psychopath businessmen and etc.


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sVs said:
Nobody "gets theirs", for better or worse. That is just wishful thinking.
Karma and golden rules, all bullshit. What people get is a result of their own actions and decisions.

A spoiled rich prick acquiring a drinking problem is not any sort of karmic justice anymore than if he were struck dead by lightning. Perhaps whatever factors drove him to be a bully in school also motivated his drinking. Who knows, besides him?

Point being, bully/victim is never a clear-cut issue and attempting to pick the winners and losers is a little bit juvenile.



I believe in karma, just in a logical and non-hippie/religious kinda way.  For example if you rip people off all the time, chances are someones going to rip you off or beat your ass etc.

Simply put, if you're consistently a "bad" person, you're more likely to have shit catch up with you.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #18891940 - 09/25/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with that but that's not karma at all, that's just life. No reason to give that credit to karma, it confuses people into not taking action when someone else wrongs them by just letting "karma" handle it. Fuck that, you handle it, that is their "karma"


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: something super extreme]
    #18893767 - 09/26/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
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st1llnox said:
Just read a Cracked article about misconceptions that kids movies promote and one of them points out that sometimes the bullies win, or perhaps often if they were that much more assertive and strong than you to begin with.

What do you guys think? Do bullies usually come out on top or do they finally get theirs?

Anyone willing to share real-life outcomes they've seen is highly encouraged to do so.



The super-rich, everyone-wants-to-be-him bully from my elementary school went to different schools after that. I finally looked him up online and Facebook stalked him once, a couple years into college. I stumbled onto his wall about 3 posts after he publicly admitted he has a severe drinking problem and after a few replies, decided to go home rather than stay at college.



I remember discussing this in philosophy class

I think it was plato who said that the only reason to be "good" as a person is for your own benefit

Let me rephrase the answer; do you honestly think that the type of person who is so insecure about his or herself to the point they have to physically and verbally assert themselves to others constantly is happy? People who do fucked up things and get away with it typically will have larger probelms to deal with than the guilt of the kid that they just bullied. ie some underlying issues

Keep in mind this is Plato's idea in the republic. You may want to double check it is the right greek philospher and the right text. I didnt come up with this, i am just agreeing with it





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Entirely possible. I didn't hear much about how the guy is a self-described genius who fails calculus classes, though.
I'm thinking these two aren't the same. :shrug:




I know you're not talking about me as I've aced both Calculus courses I've taken.

I failed an easy statistics class by not going to the final (still only got it down to a D tho).

Be less of a jackass and more of a cynic.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18893772 - 09/26/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

im a big believer in karma when it comes to bullying. everybody has to experience both sides of the coin...


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: g00ru]
    #18893784 - 09/26/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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im a big believer in karma when it comes to bullying. everybody has to experience both sides of the coin...




I think when we get to hell, we'll see sVs in a room where no matter what he types, nobody takes it seriously and people gang up on him :lol:


It's IDIOTIC (cough cough cobraavvyman) to think Karma doesn't at least describe a natural tendency, even if it's not a universal causal mechanism.


Who's going to end up having people treat them nicer, do them more favors, help them when they're in need, etc.:

- a total douchebag who makes fun of people

-a compassionate and caring person who is nice to everyone

?


Easy question.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18893822 - 09/26/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Variables.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18893829 - 09/26/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

const int i = 0;
float x, y;


There ya go.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #18893852 - 09/26/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

In real life, does stillnox tend to ask smart questions or dumb questions?

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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Uzziel]
    #18893872 - 09/26/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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In real life, does stillnox tend to ask smart questions or dumb questions?

:smirk:




:ohyou:

If I wasent so genious I'd git really angery rite now.

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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18893913 - 09/26/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not even really sure what a genius is, but I'd be hard pressed to say someone who doesn't know the answer to a simple question is a genius.

"It depends"


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Uzziel]
    #18893959 - 09/26/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not even really sure what a genius is, but I'd be hard pressed to say someone who doesn't know the answer to a simple question is a genius.

"It depends"





Back on topic, now :thisisgonnabegood:


"It depends" is the universal copout even though it's often applicable if people oversimplify something. If a question is phrased generally enough though, then going into "it depends" is just, again, a copout. :shrug:


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18893972 - 09/26/13 01:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

A universal copout? More like a universal truth. There are so many variables in a "bully vs victim" so it "depends" on the variables. What makes one the "winner" anyway, when one gets the other to do what they want?

I don't see you offering a better alternative, so until you provide one, not only is NOT a copout, it just makes you look like a fuckin' hipster trying to be edgy, or some shit.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Uzziel]
    #18894023 - 09/26/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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A universal copout? More like a universal truth. There are so many variables in a "bully vs victim" so it "depends" on the variables. What makes one the "winner" anyway, when one gets the other to do what they want?

I don't see you offering a better alternative, so until you provide one, not only is NOT a copout, it just makes you look like a fuckin' hipster trying to be edgy, or some shit.




See my post on karma; it addresses general tendencies while acknowledging that there's still room for discrepancies.

Me a hipster lololol. I'm wearing a black metal T shirt and basketball shorts right now. No underwear either :nodofapproval:


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18894040 - 09/26/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Uzziel]
    #18894052 - 09/26/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Karma? What a fucking copout answer




You obvs didn't read the whole thing.

Thanks for enlightening us all.I'm sure none of us had a clue that it depends on a lot of things. :smbfacepalm:

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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18894058 - 09/26/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

a bully only wins if you let him.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18895252 - 09/26/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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st1llnox said:
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Uzziel said:
Karma? What a fucking copout answer




You obvs didn't read the whole thing.

Thanks for enlightening us all.I'm sure none of us had a clue that it depends on a lot of things. :smbfacepalm:

:goodluckwiththat:




Obviously I didn't, because anything you write about Karma is worthless to me because Karma is a fucking stupid idea that a bunch of fucking yip yaps who want equality to be true, but it isn't quite obviously if you look at the world on the big picture. So much for Karma.

Why do you think I put it in quotes? Because this thread is fucking stupid, so a stupid response is in order. You said my answer is a copout and I thoroughly explained why it wasn't, even though the answer itself is stupid. I asked for you to provide a BETTER alternative... and your answer is "Karma"?

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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Uzziel]
    #18895371 - 09/26/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Lol and you called something you didn't read a copout.

This could've been or could be an interesting topic if people weren't tripping up on eachother. :shrug:

Here, have a :mushroom2:


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Legend]
    #18895385 - 09/26/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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a bully only wins if you let him.



Pretty much the point I was trying to make, don't let other people control your emotions and you will always be a winner in my book.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Uzziel]
    #18895392 - 09/26/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I was bullied too wen I was a kid mostly at school it sucked but it taught me a thing or 2 :yinyang:


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: watermelon mon]
    #18895432 - 09/26/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I was never really bullied when I was a kid, when I was much younger I was a bit of an asshole just to make sure nobody else would fuck with me.

But later on I kinda realized I was going to far, but I would still give people shit, nothing too harsh but I'd keep em on their toes. I was mainly just trying to get people to have a similar outlook on life as me and help them not take life so seriously. It would have been hard to bully me because I could never take people seriously.

Honestly I think I did do some good, and anyone I took things too far I made it up to them however I could. One of the kids I gave a lot of shit to in highschool keeps in touch with me quite often, and he's living a good life and doesn't take things seriously. He's managed to make more friends and has a lot more confidence in himself. :shrug:

Maybe I'm full of shit but I like to think I legitimately helped people out, I have friends open up to me and say that I was a influence on the person they are today.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18895481 - 09/26/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

IDK if doing this thing to girls at all, even between girls, would help, but books by Leonard Sax, an MD in family medicine with a PhD in psychology who writes a lot about gender, have pretty well convinced me that a little roughhousing and demanding respect be earned, etc. can really benefit young boys.

Saw the same thing firsthand growing up in cub scouts and then Boy Scouts. There were a lot of total little shits that turned up in our scout troop or who took it way too seriously and sucked up to the leaders. We made fun of them, saran wrapped them to tents and took them to the middle of the woods, and other stuff like that. Eventually, some of them got their shit together and became part of our posse :aweyeah:


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #18895529 - 09/26/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

one time I made peace with some one that used to pick on me we smoked a joint
but one of the things it taught  me was not to take every thing seriously like you mentioned
didn't git picked on in high school mostly people would just be messing around


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Uzziel]
    #18898161 - 09/27/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Uzziel said:
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st1llnox said:
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Uzziel said:
Karma? What a fucking copout answer




You obvs didn't read the whole thing.

Thanks for enlightening us all.I'm sure none of us had a clue that it depends on a lot of things. :smbfacepalm:

:goodluckwiththat:




Obviously I didn't, because anything you write about Karma is worthless to me because Karma is a fucking stupid idea that a bunch of fucking yip yaps who want equality to be true, but it isn't quite obviously if you look at the world on the big picture. So much for Karma.

Why do you think I put it in quotes? Because this thread is fucking stupid, so a stupid response is in order. You said my answer is a copout and I thoroughly explained why it wasn't, even though the answer itself is stupid. I asked for you to provide a BETTER alternative... and your answer is "Karma"?

:rofl:





For fucks sake. Did anyone even read my post?

The take away is that you shouldn't be good to others for thier benefit. You should be good to others for your own benefit

Obviously there are some extreme cases with serial killers and rapists that lead double lives. One with their family and the other raping women. Sociopaths like that typically dont even give two fucks about the rapig they do. But I think in most cases, when "normal" people who are not sociopaths kill people, they are guilty about it. And if they are not guilty about it, they are perpetually enslaved by the extreme negative emotions that caused them to murder someone in the first place

This video is hilarious but eerily true:



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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18898231 - 09/27/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Lol and you called something you didn't read a copout.

This could've been or could be an interesting topic if people weren't tripping up on eachother. :shrug:

Here, have a :mushroom2:




Another cop out response, can't come up with something logical, so backs off.

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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: topdog82]
    #18898232 - 09/27/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it was plato who said that the only reason to be "good" as a person is for your own benefit



Plato never said anything like that. :nonono:

You're thinking of Ayn Rand.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: NetDiver]
    #18898242 - 09/27/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I think it was plato who said that the only reason to be "good" as a person is for your own benefit



Plato never said anything like that. :nonono:

You're thinking of Ayn Rand.




I think that is more along the lines of Nietzsche... or you could even say nihilists or hedonists.... but Plato? Someone doesn't know anything about philosophy :lol:


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    #18898256 - 09/27/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:ugh:

Fuck all of the Rands, be it Ayn or Paul.
Atlas Shrugged made great, and immense, kindling though.

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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: something super extreme]
    #18898483 - 09/27/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

At school : wins
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At work: probably wins
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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: something super extreme]
    #18898529 - 09/27/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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topdog82 said:
I think it was plato who said that the only reason to be "good" as a person is for your own benefit



Plato never said anything like that. :nonono:

You're thinking of Ayn Rand.





Actually yes he did, Plato's Republic book either 2 or 4. Although you're technically right that it was Glaucon and Adamantius talking about it; Plato just recorded the dialogues or recreated them or just used them as characters.

To paraphrase:

Quote:

You stand to gain the most benefit if you appear to be good but still allow yourself to do bad things. You can have more advantage if people think you're good and you can steal than someone who is good and is regarded as good, as you will have their same advantages but the additional advantages of not having to play by the rules





A related and axiomatic quote that I can recite VERBATIM and that has or had been in my sig since the day I registered is by Adimantius (or some A name) and goes like so:

Quote:

Since then, as philosophers prove, appearance TYRANNIZES truth and is lord of happiness, so then it is to appearance I shall devote myself.





As in, you're better off being the most rotten man alive and having people see you as good than being the most saintly soul around but being seen as corrupt and evil.




Uzz, I gave an answer that wasn't a copout. You've made it clear you didn't read it because you didn't think you'd agree with it :dumbass:. People like you are the reason my fellow Philosophy majors and others who can actually think make such high salaries later on.




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:ugh:

Fuck all of the Rands, be it Ayn or Paul.
Atlas Shrugged made great, and immense, kindling though.

but We the Living was alright.





Lol that's better than the time me and some friends at College roasted marshmallows over a burning copy of Twilight. :nodofapproval:


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18898559 - 09/27/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

No, I explained Karma is a bunch of yip yaps that has no empirical evidence behind it, therefore anything you stand to say about Karma is therefore invalid.

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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Uzziel]
    #18898570 - 09/27/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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No, I explained Karma is a bunch of yip yaps that has no empirical evidence behind it, therefore anything you stand to say about Karma is therefore invalid.

:ooo:




No empirical evidence? "Like begets like" is pretty much the foundation of any and all levels of biology that can involve complex behavior interactions or psychology.

Do good, get good. I'm not especially nice to douchebags, but I'm very kind to everyone and extra kind to people who are nice and who've been there for me, and I make sure to be there for them when they need extra assistance.

You'd have seen I don't even necessarily believe in Karma per se, but why would you read a post when you could simply discuss it without reading it :lol:

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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18898586 - 09/27/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, there is no empirical evidence. If you are gonna keep spouting that I should "BELIEVE" (LOL) Prove it.

Terribly BAD thing happens to the best of people and Terribly GOOD things happen to the worst shit heads in the world.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Uzziel]
    #18898600 - 09/27/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, there is no empirical evidence. If you are gonna keep spouting that I should "BELIEVE" (LOL) Prove it.

Terribly BAD thing happens to the best of people and Terribly GOOD things happen to the worst shit heads in the world.


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is pretty much the foundation of any and all levels of biology that can involve complex behavior interactions or psychology.




wat? :facepalm:





Any time psychology is involved, there's at least a conscious tendency to act favorably to those who you like and unfavorably to those you don't. You're more likely to like people who have been nice and giving with you and are more likely to dislike people who are cruel to or exclusive of you.

It's that fucking simple.


Also, I can all but guarantee you you'll see the phrase "like begets like" or something to that effect within the first 50 pages of any AP or above level introductory Bio textbook.

Then again, it turns out reading things isn't necessary to contribute to the conversation and that any deficits in your own understanding of what the other person is saying is actually them being baseless. :sadyes:


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Uzziel]
    #18898604 - 09/27/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
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topdog82 said:
I think it was plato who said that the only reason to be "good" as a person is for your own benefit



Plato never said anything like that. :nonono:

You're thinking of Ayn Rand.




I think that is more along the lines of Nietzsche... or you could even say nihilists or hedonists.... but Plato? Someone doesn't know anything about philosophy :lol:



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I think it was plato who said that the only reason to be "good" as a person is for your own benefit



Plato never said anything like that. :nonono:

You're thinking of Ayn Rand.




I think that is more along the lines of Nietzsche... or you could even say nihilists or hedonists.... but Plato? Someone doesn't know anything about philosophy :lol:




Lol I never said I knew a lot about philosphy. I took a 3 months course where we discussed the ideas of good and bad along with karma. I just thought I would throw in a tid bit and opinion.

But if I remember the passage correctly, plato and another person (lets call them person B) are arguing. PErson B states that being evil/bad is good and benefits the person as long as they don't get caught. He or she mentions the Ring of Gyges in a scenario. And plato retorts that being good supports your own mental health

I believe it is in book two of the republic. If I mixed it up then I apologize

But its annoying how people get into this "greater than thou" mode. Its an arguement over the internet for fucks sake. If I made a mixup with a philosopher no need to pick at it

The arguement remains the same regardless of who said it or if it is said at all. The logic ofmy post along with the Key and peele video should explain my arguement thouroughly


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18898616 - 09/27/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I was just poking fun at you man about the philosophy thing. I don't think anyone cares if you got what Plato said correctly. :lol:







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Uzziel said:
Yes, there is no empirical evidence. If you are gonna keep spouting that I should "BELIEVE" (LOL) Prove it.

Terribly BAD thing happens to the best of people and Terribly GOOD things happen to the worst shit heads in the world.


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is pretty much the foundation of any and all levels of biology that can involve complex behavior interactions or psychology.




wat? :facepalm:




You're more likely to like people who have been nice and giving with you and are more likely to dislike people who are cruel to or exclusive of you.

It's that fucking simple.





That is the golden rule... not karma, n00b :facepalm:


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: topdog82]
    #18898774 - 09/27/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Uzziel said:
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Samurai Drifter said:
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topdog82 said:
I think it was plato who said that the only reason to be "good" as a person is for your own benefit



Plato never said anything like that. :nonono:

You're thinking of Ayn Rand.




I think that is more along the lines of Nietzsche... or you could even say nihilists or hedonists.... but Plato? Someone doesn't know anything about philosophy :lol:




Lol I never said I knew a lot about philosphy. I took a 3 months course where we discussed the ideas of good and bad along with karma. I just thought I would throw in a tid bit and opinion.

But if I remember the passage correctly, plato and another person (lets call them person B) are arguing. PErson B states that being evil/bad is good and benefits the person as long as they don't get caught. He or she mentions the Ring of Gyges in a scenario. And plato retorts that being good supports your own mental health

I believe it is in book two of the republic. If I mixed it up then I apologize

But its annoying how people get into this "greater than thou" mode. Its an arguement over the internet for fucks sake. If I made a mixup with a philosopher no need to pick at it

The arguement remains the same regardless of who said it or if it is said at all. The logic ofmy post along with the Key and peele video should explain my arguement thouroughly





Read my reply dude and don't worry: you were right. Source? Philo degree with a 4.0 in major so far and emphasis on Greece. Put bluntly: Uzz was literally and flat out completely wrong that Plato never said anything like that. :shrug:




Uzz, it's just what you like to call it. It's the same thing and same idea, except that Karma implies some universal mechanism (which if your :dumbass: had read my reply, you'd see I don't agree with that but think that functionally, Karma's implication's happen but not because Karma is real per se as it's espoused).


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox] * 1
    #18898822 - 09/27/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Bully is just a label. Everything in this situation is much more complex than a label. Invalid argument IMO


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #18898833 - 09/27/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Bully is just a label. Everything in this situation is much more complex than a label. Invalid argument IMO





It's a simplification of a tendency. The question could more coherently, so as to be open to people like you (and usually me :wink:) who see more of the nuances in life, be phrased as "Does a tendency towards bullying affect long-term outcomes that can be evaluated almost-objectively, and does it tend to bring about a good or bad outcome or is there little to no correlation?".

This wouldn't fit in the title though and half of people here are too stoned to parse a sentence like that. My 2c.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18899013 - 09/27/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Read my reply dude and don't worry: you were right. Source? Philo degree with a 4.0 in major so far and emphasis on Greece. Put bluntly: Uzz was literally and flat out completely wrong that Plato never said anything like that. :shrug:




Uzz, it's just what you like to call it. It's the same thing and same idea, except that Karma implies some universal mechanism (which if your :dumbass: had read my reply, you'd see I don't agree with that but think that functionally, Karma's implication's happen but not because Karma is real per se as it's espoused).




You're wrong on 2 accounts:

1. Socrates/Plato never said that at all. Plato said to do good because it is good in and of itself and that we do good BECAUSE we all seek the form "The Good".

Ohhhh you made a 4.0 in philo huh? How is that degree workin out for ya? Oh yeah.. OOPS.

2. Karma is not the golden rule. I bolded the section where you just make no sense at all. "So Karma happens but its not because Karma is real"

What? Make up your mind. Either Karma is real or its just a random set of events because of peoples random actions on their random choice of whatever they decide to do.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: Uzziel]
    #18899042 - 09/27/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

bullying is relative



the kid who i perceived to be my bully is now a hard-labor worker for a temp agency and drinks a case of beer every day. i'm in grad school and I have a drug habit of a different kind. sometimes i think the only reason I've been successful where he failed was that my parents didn't weren't poor ignorant fools who beat my ass on a daily basis like his. when i'm caught up in my ego, i like to attribute all my successes to my own hard work and intelligence. but that is a bunch of BS.

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Bully is just a label. Everything in this situation is much more complex than a label. Invalid argument IMO



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I had a kid I perceived to be my bully, and there is someone else I know for a fact perceived me to be their bully. but I was just doing what kids do, and so was he, trying to find my/his place in the world.


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: morrowasted]
    #18899071 - 09/27/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I actually ended up living right next door to my former bully recently and he is a mess. I feel really bad for him. He is going to die alone and single of a drinking problem very young, I foresee. and he doesn't even seem to enjoy drinking anymore. We kind of ended up becoming friends while I lived there. It was interesting, when we met he was like HOLY SHIT XXX WHATS UP??? and I didn't recognize him at all because of how much weight he had gained. only after talking about what used to happen did I remember who he was. but there was no question in my mind about being mad at this guy. There is no way I could hold a grudge against a childhood bully. When I lived there he would come over everyday and go on long rants about how I needed to quit doing dissociatives and opioids and I would just sit there and enjoy my drugs and let him rant as a way of distracting himself from his own drinking problem. Kind of weird how it happened but as much as we apparently hated each other when we were young, there was now more of a mutual pity/concern


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18899149 - 09/27/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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st1llnox said:
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Samurai Drifter said:
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I think it was plato who said that the only reason to be "good" as a person is for your own benefit



Plato never said anything like that. :nonono:

You're thinking of Ayn Rand.





Actually yes he did, Plato's Republic book either 2 or 4. Although you're technically right that it was Glaucon and Adamantius talking about it; Plato just recorded the dialogues or recreated them or just used them as characters.

To paraphrase:

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You stand to gain the most benefit if you appear to be good but still allow yourself to do bad things. You can have more advantage if people think you're good and you can steal than someone who is good and is regarded as good, as you will have their same advantages but the additional advantages of not having to play by the rules





A related and axiomatic quote that I can recite VERBATIM and that has or had been in my sig since the day I registered is by Adimantius (or some A name) and goes like so:

Quote:

Since then, as philosophers prove, appearance TYRANNIZES truth and is lord of happiness, so then it is to appearance I shall devote myself.





As in, you're better off being the most rotten man alive and having people see you as good than being the most saintly soul around but being seen as corrupt and evil.




Uzz, I gave an answer that wasn't a copout. You've made it clear you didn't read it because you didn't think you'd agree with it :dumbass:. People like you are the reason my fellow Philosophy majors and others who can actually think make such high salaries later on.




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:ugh:

Fuck all of the Rands, be it Ayn or Paul.
Atlas Shrugged made great, and immense, kindling though.

but We the Living was alright.





Lol that's better than the time me and some friends at College roasted marshmallows over a burning copy of Twilight. :nodofapproval:





Fuck yes lol

I was sitting here racking my brain trying to find this exact passage in the republic. It was damn interesting. I can't thank you enough. It was driving me crazy to try and find that specific passage


Also, how is salary with a philsophy major? What do you work as currently? If you don't mind me asking. I was considering doing philosophy as a major but now it is a minor. I feel that I wouldn't be able to get a job in this kind of market to pay off my college debt


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18899170 - 09/27/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Bully is just a label. Everything in this situation is much more complex than a label. Invalid argument IMO





It's a simplification of a tendency. The question could more coherently, so as to be open to people like you (and usually me :wink:) who see more of the nuances in life, be phrased as "Does a tendency towards bullying affect long-term outcomes that can be evaluated almost-objectively, and does it tend to bring about a good or bad outcome or is there little to no correlation?".

This wouldn't fit in the title though and half of people here are too stoned to parse a sentence like that. My 2c.



That indeed should be the title

And to answer that question, I think that people who have bullying tendencies would get a worse life outcome. it been two years since graduating high school. Most of the bullies/assholes have already started to plummet. I used to see them as assholes and hated em. But by now...I truly sympathize with em. Poor alcoholic/drug abused souls


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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: topdog82]
    #18899473 - 09/27/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Also, how is salary with a philsophy major? What do you work as currently? If you don't mind me asking. I was considering doing philosophy as a major but now it is a minor. I feel that I wouldn't be able to get a job in this kind of market to pay off my college debt




I'm also majoring in computer science and was making nearly $20/hour at age 19. Took a voluntary paycut in order to work at a lab that ended up securing me a publication, but I wasn't renewed as they couldn't really depend on me--not because I wasn't reliable by default (I did computer science internships summerly starting at age 17 and was always rehired; one offered to pay for my college if I stayed with them but I didn't want to go to the colleges in my home town), but because I'd had to miss a couple semesters here and there due to health/psychological consideration and they can't get funding if they don't know that they'll be able to have stuff out in a certain time-frame.

After losing my lab position, I didn't bother for a little while, then got a job at McDonalds and I'm finally getting back to where I was: I start a research position with a highly-regarded psychiatrist early this October. We will actually be working on Philosophy stuff together at first (he's very much a polymath) so after years of lucrative computer science work, I'm now technically going to be a professional philosopher.



For you and the lobotomuzzed chronic responder on this thread, you might find this interesting. It's from http://philosophy.unc.edu/undergraduate-program/why-major-in-philosophy .

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How Much Money Do Philosophy Majors Make?

A lot of students are deterred from majoring in philosophy by the widespread belief that a degree in philosophy translates into low earning potential.  This turns out not to be true.  Each year, www.payscale.com issues a report on the median starting salaries and mid-career salaries of people with only bachelor's degrees, sorted by major.  Not surprisingly, philosophy isn't at the very top of the list, but it is a lot higher than you might think:

According to the 2011 numbers, the median starting salary for philosophy BAs is $39,800 ad the median mid-career salary is $75.600.  This puts it at #2 among the humanities majors (behind American studies), only slightly behind accounting majors, and ahead of several science majors (including biology and psychology) and professional majors (including business, advertising, public administration and hotel management).

For the full report, click here:  http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

Needless to say, nobody should major in philosophy for the money.  But this evidence suggests that avoiding majoring in philosophy for the sake of making money might not be such a great idea either.




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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
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Re: In real life, does the bully tend to win or lose? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18899763 - 09/27/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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LOLLL good shit

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Also, how is salary with a philsophy major? What do you work as currently? If you don't mind me asking. I was considering doing philosophy as a major but now it is a minor. I feel that I wouldn't be able to get a job in this kind of market to pay off my college debt




I'm also majoring in computer science and was making nearly $20/hour at age 19. Took a voluntary paycut in order to work at a lab that ended up securing me a publication, but I wasn't renewed as they couldn't really depend on me--not because I wasn't reliable by default (I did computer science internships summerly starting at age 17 and was always rehired; one offered to pay for my college if I stayed with them but I didn't want to go to the colleges in my home town), but because I'd had to miss a couple semesters here and there due to health/psychological consideration and they can't get funding if they don't know that they'll be able to have stuff out in a certain time-frame.

After losing my lab position, I didn't bother for a little while, then got a job at McDonalds and I'm finally getting back to where I was: I start a research position with a highly-regarded psychiatrist early this October. We will actually be working on Philosophy stuff together at first (he's very much a polymath) so after years of lucrative computer science work, I'm now technically going to be a professional philosopher.



For you and the lobotomuzzed chronic responder on this thread, you might find this interesting. It's from http://philosophy.unc.edu/undergraduate-program/why-major-in-philosophy .

Quote:

How Much Money Do Philosophy Majors Make?

A lot of students are deterred from majoring in philosophy by the widespread belief that a degree in philosophy translates into low earning potential.  This turns out not to be true.  Each year, www.payscale.com issues a report on the median starting salaries and mid-career salaries of people with only bachelor's degrees, sorted by major.  Not surprisingly, philosophy isn't at the very top of the list, but it is a lot higher than you might think:

According to the 2011 numbers, the median starting salary for philosophy BAs is $39,800 ad the median mid-career salary is $75.600.  This puts it at #2 among the humanities majors (behind American studies), only slightly behind accounting majors, and ahead of several science majors (including biology and psychology) and professional majors (including business, advertising, public administration and hotel management).

For the full report, click here:  http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

Needless to say, nobody should major in philosophy for the money.  But this evidence suggests that avoiding majoring in philosophy for the sake of making money might not be such a great idea either.







Congrats on the internship!

Wow thanks. I currently major in com sci. Double minor in philosophy ad psychology. All of those three subjects are intresting to me. But psychology is def the most interesting. I think I will now consider making psych and comp sci as a doulbe major. Philosophy will be considering. Its hilarios that phil earns more than psych tho haha. Not nearly what I expected


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