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dokunai
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Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash
#18891045 - 09/25/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-09-drivers-positive-drugs-triple-fatal.html
Drugged driving has been a safety issue of increasing public concern in the United States and many other countries but its role in motor vehicle crashes had not been adequately examined. In a new study conducted at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health, researchers assessed the association of driver drug use, as well as the combination of drugs and alcohol, with the risk of fatal crash. They found that drug use is associated with a significantly increased risk of fatal crash involvement, particularly when used in combination with alcohol. The study provides critical data for understanding the joint effect of alcohol and drugs on driving safety.
Data for the study came from two national information systems sources sponsored by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration: the 2007 National Roadside Survey of Alcohol and Drug Use by Drivers and the Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS), a repository of investigation data for all crashes that resulted in at least one fatality within 30 days of the crash and that occurred on a public road. This second data source also contains detailed information about the crash circumstances as well as individuals and vehicles involved in the crash. This is the first study to use both data sources to quantify relative risks of fatal crash involvement associated with different drugs. Results of the Mailman School study led by Guohua Li, MD, DrPH, professor of Epidemiology and director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention, show that 31.9% of the drivers involved in fatal car crashes (cases) and 13.7% of the drivers interviewed at the roadside survey (controls) tested positive for at least one non-alcohol drug. Overall, drivers testing positive for drugs were three times as likely as those testing negative to be involved in a fatal crash. Among the drugs studied, depressants conferred the highest risk, followed by stimulants, narcotics, and marijuana. Elevated blood alcohol levels were found in 57.0% of the cases and 8.8% of the controls; and the risk of fatal crash involvement increased exponentially as these levels rose. About one-fifth (20.5%) of the cases tested positive for alcohol and one or more drugs, compared with 2.2% of the controls. Relative to drivers who tested positive for neither alcohol nor drugs, the odds of fatal crash involvement increased by more than 13 times for those who were alcohol-positive but drug-negative, more than two-fold for those who were alcohol-negative but drug-positive, and 23 times for those who were positive for both alcohol and drugs. While heightened risk of fatal crash involvement associated with driver drug use was comparable across demographic groups and geographic regions, Dr. Li cautions that findings need to be carefully interpreted. First, a positive test indicates that the driver had used the drug detected but does not necessarily mean that the driver was impaired by the drug at the time of crash or survey. Secondly, variations in individual tolerance and pharmacological characteristics of different drugs make it difficult to determine drug impairment. Also, there is no uniformly accepted definition of impairment for different drugs. "The possible interaction of drugs in combination with alcohol on driving safety has long been a concern," said Dr. Li, who is also professor of Anesthesiology at Columbia. "While alcohol-impaired driving remains the greatest threat to traffic safety, these findings about drugged driving are particularly salient in light of the increases in the availability of prescription stimulants and opioids over the past decade."
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DebuteMachine

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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: dokunai]
#18891149 - 09/25/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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So who wants to make an easy to view pie chart? Also, can you break it down by drug. I just want to make sure I'm correct in thinking MJ takes up like none of the pie.
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: DebuteMachine]
#18891372 - 09/25/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I doubt it would even matter if there was a breakdown of what drugs were in the system. If someone does speed, hallucinogens or opiates theres a REAL strong chance they smoke pot. Its the most popular widely accepted and used drug.
Besides whenever theres an anti XXX drug study about the harms in its use the denial parade starts 
I personally feel someone who drives high is just as irresponsible as someone who drives drunk
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Rewindicus] 1
#18891475 - 09/25/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rewindicus said: I doubt it would even matter if there was a breakdown of what drugs were in the system. If someone does speed, hallucinogens or opiates theres a REAL strong chance they smoke pot. Its the most popular widely accepted and used drug.
Besides whenever theres an anti XXX drug study about the harms in its use the denial parade starts 
I personally feel someone who drives high is just as irresponsible as someone who drives drunk 
Moron
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Konyap] 2
#18891560 - 09/25/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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aiyobro said:
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Rewindicus said: I doubt it would even matter if there was a breakdown of what drugs were in the system. If someone does speed, hallucinogens or opiates theres a REAL strong chance they smoke pot. Its the most popular widely accepted and used drug.
Besides whenever theres an anti XXX drug study about the harms in its use the denial parade starts 
I personally feel someone who drives high is just as irresponsible as someone who drives drunk 
Moron
Now now. That's flaming, not until you use evidence to back up your claim. Sorry but weed is nothing in comparison to alcohol. I can understand opiates or benzos or hell even GHB. Weed on the other hand.... it might effect a certain group bad enough (though this group is very small and are hopefully smart enough to know when they're too baked to drive) but alcohol is nowhere near weed. I've never seen people nodding out on weed and swerving around puking. I don't see people on weed unable to walk in a straight line. I don't see people on weed acting violently because they're blacked out and don't remember the next day. So now that we've proven why you're a moron. You're a moron.
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Mad Season]
#18891572 - 09/25/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought that was worse, then me just calling him a moron.
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Konyap]
#18892020 - 09/25/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with everything said above. Even opiates in low doses would be fine I think. Though, the other day, my friend dabbed about a half a gram of oil at once, with a low tolerance and he blacked out all night. I swear he was drunk when I saw him, but he was just too high.. He could hardly talk, and he said the next day he couldn't even remember driving himself home.. :wince:
Of course that's an extreme situation.
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DebuteMachine

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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Rewindicus]
#18892059 - 09/26/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rewindicus said: I doubt it would even matter if there was a breakdown of what drugs were in the system. If someone does speed, hallucinogens or opiates theres a REAL strong chance they smoke pot. Its the most popular widely accepted and used drug.
That is a perfectly reasonable thing to say and way to think. I appreciate the perspective.
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Rewindicus said: I personally feel someone who drives high is just as irresponsible as someone who drives drunk 
Now for this one you're REALLY going to have to back up your statement. There isn't a whole lot of evidence to prove you right, but there is a lot of evidence to prove you wrong if you look in the right places. Just saying mate, maybe if everyone smoked road rage wouldn't exist. Just asking you to elaborate.
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: DebuteMachine]
#18892109 - 09/26/13 12:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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In the recent documentary: How I changed my mind about pot (or something close to that) they mention a research from professor Hart I believe, which showed that cannabis users who use regularly do not show an increased rate for accidents...if they show anything it is they drive safer...One of consumers though are a different story.
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: DebuteMachine]
#18892274 - 09/26/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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DebuteMachine said:
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Rewindicus said: I doubt it would even matter if there was a breakdown of what drugs were in the system. If someone does speed, hallucinogens or opiates theres a REAL strong chance they smoke pot. Its the most popular widely accepted and used drug.
That is a perfectly reasonable thing to say and way to think. I appreciate the perspective.
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Rewindicus said: I personally feel someone who drives high is just as irresponsible as someone who drives drunk 
Now for this one you're REALLY going to have to back up your statement. There isn't a whole lot of evidence to prove you right, but there is a lot of evidence to prove you wrong if you look in the right places. Just saying mate, maybe if everyone smoked road rage wouldn't exist. Just asking you to elaborate.
I think he is saying it is irresponsible to drive fucked up in general. No need to compare the 2 when they are both bad decisions.
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Peteza34]
#18892458 - 09/26/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would be willing to bet that driving while high on marijuana slightly increases your risk of being involved in a traffic accident, but not by much. I've driven dozens of times while baked through rush-hour city traffic with no negative consequences. IMO it's no worse than talking on a cell phone while you're driving.
Alcohol, on the other hand, specifically affects judgment, which makes it the worst possible drug for driving. I never drive drunk, or even buzzed.
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Peteza34]
#18892538 - 09/26/13 03:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Peteza34 said:
I think he is saying it is irresponsible to drive fucked up in general. No need to compare the 2 when they are both bad decisions.
that was my point precisely
as to samurai drifters statement about how it may affect your driving a little but not by much.......my thinking is when you are driving around in a 5,000 pound weapon do you really think "not by much" is a stat you wanna play with? I dont. 
Indeed there still needs to be a lot more research on the affects of drugs and inebriation while driving HOWEVER there is evidence in support of and against driving while high. Therefore in my book i dont think its worth the risk ESPECIALLY considering if you do get in a serious accident while on drugs youll get slapped with vehicular manslaughter easy peasy. And at the least be pinned as the at fault party and responsible for all damages incurred.
And i want to add that my opinion of driving drunk or high are equally as bad that i also feel driving on lack of sleep is just as dangerous. THAT has been proven though.
I work in a field where LONG shifts are common and many people choose to drive an hour home after working 24 hour shifts which i also wag my finger and try to dissuade them of doing.
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Edited by Rewindicus (09/26/13 03:15 AM)
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Rewindicus]
#18892590 - 09/26/13 04:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Driving a car is irresponsible
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Rewindicus
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Konyap]
#18892593 - 09/26/13 04:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nah. Just inebriated or tired.
-------------------- “Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.”- Dr. Seuss "Too much of a good thing, can be wonderful!" - Mae West "If you have nothing nice to say about anyone, come sit next to me." - Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Rewindicus]
#18892603 - 09/26/13 04:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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*Or without insurance.
*or really old.
Fuck it. Your right. Driving a car is irresponsible.
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Rewindicus]
#18892605 - 09/26/13 04:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Depressants the highest risk, followed by stimulants, narcotics, and marijuana...
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Konyap]
#18893233 - 09/26/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Driving high == Driving drunk
I bet money experienced smokers drive as good if not better than some sober drivers..
I would almost wager money to test this rigorously in simulators..
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Grogan]
#18893415 - 09/26/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I put probably 50k miles on a car high. I never had any major wrecks, just a mailbox when I was high. I was dumb and pulled the ebrake on a snowy road.....threw the car right into a spin, bam, there goes a mailbox and me driving the way I just came from. It was fun!
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: Grogan]
#18893471 - 09/26/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Grogan said: Driving high == Driving drunk
I bet money experienced smokers drive as good if not better than some sober drivers..
I would almost wager money to test this rigorously in simulators..
This is where I am at, but we have people who absolutely REFUSE to see it any other way. I mean just look at some of the replies on this forum, it's depressing. God damn people, open up your minds, reality isn't bent in ONE and ONLY ONE direction...
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Re: Drivers who test positive for drugs have triple the risk of a fatal car crash [Re: DebuteMachine]
#18893508 - 09/26/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Although I agree driving under the influence is a bad idea. I also don't see why we don't recognize pot as medicine. We can drive under the influence of prescribed fentanyl or ritalin but not weed? Every stoner uses it for a reason and it obviously benefits them. It has no real problems unlike a coke addiction. A low dose of opium or amphetamines prescribed and you can drive. Maybe there should be a high limit of thc in ur blood(in case of those super heavy stoners messing with dabs) rather than grouping it with alcohol. Alcohol also has a blood alcohol limit. Still the pot limit should be a ridiculous amount.
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