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Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? 1
#18890703 - 09/25/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's a lot of insane Christian people on this board for some reason and I was just wondering if they realised God was the eternal, imperishable Self which alone exists, that there is only one consciousness, and that is God.
ie. You are God. You're It. You're just God losing itself because that's what God does.
The perfect heaven you seek is the repression of your actual Self rearing itself into consciousness. That's why you know heaven exists or you suspect religious ideas with high intensity.
This is what the great saints were trying to say. This is what Christianity was originally saying. Religion has been hijacked into this silly cult.
Read The Perennial Philosophy by Aldous Huxley.
Just trying to help.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: circastes] 1
#18890736 - 09/25/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't be so hard on them man there is no reason to hate.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: Psilopsychosis]
#18890740 - 09/25/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: Psilopsychosis]
#18890747 - 09/25/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am going to make a thread on the weekend that will reconcile all this hate and show how everyone is right in their own way.
I would right now but I have to meditate then go get ready for work tmrw.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: circastes] 1
#18890885 - 09/25/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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circastes said: There's a lot of insane Christian people on this board for some reason and I was just wondering if they realised God was the eternal, imperishable Self which alone exists, that there is only one consciousness, and that is God.
ie. You are God. You're It. You're just God losing itself because that's what God does.
The perfect heaven you seek is the repression of your actual Self rearing itself into consciousness. That's why you know heaven exists or you suspect religious ideas with high intensity.
This is what the great saints were trying to say. This is what Christianity was originally saying. Religion has been hijacked into this silly cult.
Read The Perennial Philosophy by Aldous Huxley.
Just trying to help.
How are they any less sane than your ideas? Neither is backed by any real evidence beyond personal opinion.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: Psilopsychosis]
#18890888 - 09/25/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilopsychosis said: I am going to make a thread on the weekend that will reconcile all this hate and show how everyone is right in their own way.
I would right now but I have to meditate then go get ready for work tmrw.
Peace +love
But I will be just a little more right than everyone else.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: Icelander]
#18890947 - 09/25/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: circastes]
#18891288 - 09/25/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, there's me.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#18892585 - 09/26/13 03:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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And me. I am a Catholic Christian who acknowledges God as the Self. Oh and I've heard the Perennial Philosophy was not such a good book.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: Deviate]
#18892587 - 09/26/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We are all a piece to the whole whole, and that peace is the whole whole.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: circastes]
#18892610 - 09/26/13 04:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I recently stated going to church to talk with one cool priest. I have had with him very interesting and enlightening talks. In one talk he said that seed of god is within every person and actually every person, even most evil person is unconsciously desiring to meet the god/self, but they look for it in external things. He also pointed out that kingdom of heaven is archived here on earth by losing mind in prayer, then you drop the prayer away when you have arrived.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: HeartAndMind]
#18892646 - 09/26/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heinlein said it in 1961, in "Stranger in a Strange Land"...
Valentine Michael Smith: Thou art God. That which groks. Anne is God. I am God. The happy grass are God, Jill groks in beauty always. Jill is God. All shaping and making and creating together."
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: Deviate]
#18893382 - 09/26/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Deviate said: And me. I am a Catholic Christian who acknowledges God as the Self. Oh and I've heard the Perennial Philosophy was not such a good book.
The Perennialist school has opponents in the Constructivist school, and they would certainly try to deconstruct the Perennial Philosophy. They maintain that every religious experience is colored by concepts, and cultural traditions. They deny the "Pure Consciousness Event," but I think that they're confusing visionary states with purely mystical states. That is why the Constructivists would say that a vision of Krishna, for example, wouldn't occur to a Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, etc.. I happen to have enjoyed Hulxley's book, and I understand the different philosophies regarding religious experience. Once again, people compare apples to oranges when there isn't a common vocabulary.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#18895842 - 09/26/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I haven't read the book, I just read somewhere that it didn't quite live up to it's title.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#18895977 - 09/26/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can you help me understand the difference between visionary and mystical states? It sounds to me like the former ought to be a subset of the latter but this doesn't make sense in context.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: viktor]
#18896526 - 09/26/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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viktor said: Can you help me understand the difference between visionary and mystical states? It sounds to me like the former ought to be a subset of the latter but this doesn't make sense in context.
Quite right I think. I have categorized 3 domains of experience, via Ken Wilber, via Buddhist categories (Nirmanakaya, Samboghakya, Dharmakaya) and have come up with Psychophysical, Psychospiritual, and Psychocosmic. Very briefly, Psychospiritual experiences still embody form, as St. Paul's out-of-the-body experience did in 2 Corinthians 12:2, where he saw and heard things. Such experiences embody form as perceived as sensory modes, even if they are purely psychic experiences. But Psychocosmic experiences are the truly mystical. They are ineffable and formless. One's identity merges with cosmic identity - a plenum void, clear light, or however one wants to attempt to describe awareness without a form that can be reduced to sensory analogies. The Bible really doesn't speak to this other than to allude to the "I AM" sayings of Jesus, but this must be understood as an identity of Absolute Reality, alluded to as Love and as Light - both an indistinguishable Eternal Reality.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#18897089 - 09/27/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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What about God telling Moses his name was I AM THAT I AM?
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: Deviate]
#18898096 - 09/27/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Deviate said: What about God telling Moses his name was I AM THAT I AM?
Exactly the same thing I was saying. I believe that Rev. John Shelby Spong is correct in that the New Testament is the Tenach re-written to included the uncircumcized Gentile nations. Both Moses and Jesus escape into Egypt from a slaughter of the innocents. Moses' depiction is external to his body in the 'burning bush.' The rabbis accuse Jesus of blasphemy for claiming to be the "I AM," but the deeper understanding of Jesus' claim is that God is at the bottom of every self-aware human being. One has to tear the veil, figuratively speaking, that separates the outer courts of the temple from the Holy-of-Holies. "Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own..." -1 Corinthians 6:19-20 The esoteric meaning of the temple has a similar meaning in St. Teresa of Avila's book Interior Castle. She describes layers of identity like concentric inner spaces in a metaphorical castle, and deeper and deeper degrees of union become possible as one becomes aware of more and more of one's central spiritual identity. The "I AM" sayings is Jesus cutting through the veils of temporal identity to reveal his, and our, ultimate identity. Those who really, truly grok this, become Christ-like in terms of compassion and humility.
BTW, a more accurate translation is "I will be what I will be," according to several scholarly footnotes to the "I AM" statements.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#18898254 - 09/27/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Too much thought
I am = IM = Shakti Bija mantra like OM is Shiva Bija mantra
He meant - practice meditation on this mantra IM
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: eve69] 1
#18898714 - 09/27/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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eve69 said: Too much thought
I am = IM = Shakti Bija mantra like OM is Shiva Bija mantra
He meant - practice meditation on this mantra IM
Who? Jesus? I don't think so. "I AM" is an English translation of the transliterated Hebrew "Ehyeh." "I AM THAT I AM" is "Ehyey Asher Ehyeh." IM is another TM® mantra. Mine was ING. There are about a dozen, based on one's age. Methinks you're comparing apples to pineapples.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#18898818 - 09/27/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, when you compare apples to pineapples you're talking fruit.
I am not seeing any fruits here!
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: circastes]
#18899699 - 09/27/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The problem with that concept is that you would never reach that conclusion if you base doctrine solely on the Bible.
Christians look to the Word of God as the sole authority for all doctrine.
You would have to prove your point through scripture if you wanted to convince a Christian.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: fivepointer]
#18899853 - 09/27/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: The problem with that concept is that you would never reach that conclusion if you base doctrine solely on the Bible.
Christians look to the Word of God as the sole authority for all doctrine.
You would have to prove your point through scripture if you wanted to convince a Christian.
All it takes is reading the Bible with a little intelligence or a little light from the holy spirit. Do you believe in the holy spirit or just the Bible? It seems like some Christians worship the Bible over the living God.
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Re: Have these Christians ever considered God is the Self? [Re: Deviate]
#18899918 - 09/27/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Spiritual truth can not be obtained by the Bible alone, ex-Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit brings scripture to understanding.
That said, not everyone has the Holy Spirit. This is evidenced by coming to false doctrinal truths.
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