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New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents
#18890637 - 09/25/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have a look - its not from a conspiracy site either.
Sucralose causes dose related incidence of leukemia in mice, and mice and rats get a statistically significant incidence of liver & other tumors from Aspartame.
On another note, saccharin, cyclamate and acesulfame should be avoided also :cookiemonster.
Worst offenders for these non nutritive sweeteners are soft drinks, particularly the diet and reduced sugar ones. I know I started feeling a lot better when I gave those up.
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: Asante]
#18890653 - 09/25/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wouldn't say a diet pop, every one in awhile would be so bad though would ya?
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: Asante]
#18890675 - 09/25/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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The obvious question is: "At what dose?" and how do the animal data compare to human, considering the sometimes very large interspecies differences.
Then we'd have to reconcile the mounds of rodent data that didn't find an association, and question the methodological differences that led to the results.
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: badchad]
#18890686 - 09/25/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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badchad said: The obvious question is: "At what dose?" and how do the animal data compare to human, considering the sometimes very large interspecies differences.
Then we'd have to reconcile the mounds of rodent that didn't find an association, and question the methodological differences that led to the results.
For example saccharin causes kidney cancer in rats, but not other animals.
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: Asante]
#18890695 - 09/25/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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IIRC one of the two metabolizes into formaldehyde?? Could be a negligible percentage, of course, I just remember hearing/reading that a couple years ago. I wanna say it was sucralose/splenda, but I could easily be mistaken.
Is stevia still supposed to be good for you?? Of course I know its natural, and I'm assuming it is still considered healthy, but you never know  Especially since it hasn't been around/used in the Western world for very long.
I only use sugar for cooking these days. I drink my tea and coffee black, and it all started because I kept forgetting to buy sugar and cream at the store  Not a soda drinker. Sometimes when I get fast food I'll get a coke (used to be my favorite as a kid), but I only get fast food a handful of times each year.
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: Asante]
#18890723 - 09/25/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Have a look - its not from a conspiracy site either.
Sucralose causes dose related incidence of leukemia in mice, and mice and rats get a statistically significant incidence of liver & other tumors from Aspartame.
On another note, saccharin, cyclamate and acesulfame should be avoided also :cookiemonster.
Worst offenders for these non nutritive sweeteners are soft drinks, particularly the diet and reduced sugar ones. I know I started feeling a lot better when I gave those up.
Now that I've read it they don't say anything about aspartame. Also you get more formaldehyde from fruit than from aspartame.
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: NotTheDevil]
#18890746 - 09/25/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea I kinda figured it was negligible. Thanks though
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: Asante]
#18891386 - 09/25/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Let me know when it's shown to cause cancer in people. Always you folks, with the fucking lab rats. No shit, artificial crap makes you feel bad. Doesn't mean you've got cancer lurking around every corner.
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: something super extreme]
#18891390 - 09/25/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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this is new data? i know there was lots of stuff about aspartame in the past but it was wishy-washy
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: memes]
#18891424 - 09/25/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't actually see any data in the link, just people talking vaguely about data. Not only are studies on rats inconclusive as far as cancerous effects on humans, we don't know what numbers they're even talking about in this specific study.
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: Asante]
#18891518 - 09/25/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Have a look - its not from a conspiracy site either.
Sucralose causes dose related incidence of leukemia in mice, and mice and rats get a statistically significant incidence of liver & other tumors from Aspartame.
On another note, saccharin, cyclamate and acesulfame should be avoided also :cookiemonster.
Worst offenders for these non nutritive sweeteners are soft drinks, particularly the diet and reduced sugar ones. I know I started feeling a lot better when I gave those up.
I mostly avoid them because they taste like shit. I feel sorry for the Brits, they put that shit in everything.
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: Asante]
#18891621 - 09/25/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Have a look - its not from a conspiracy site either.
Sucralose causes dose related incidence of leukemia in mice, and mice and rats get a statistically significant incidence of liver & other tumors from Aspartame.
On another note, saccharin, cyclamate and acesulfame should be avoided also :cookiemonster.
Worst offenders for these non nutritive sweeteners are soft drinks, particularly the diet and reduced sugar ones. I know I started feeling a lot better when I gave those up.
no shit? i started feeling way better when i quit drinking diet coke.
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: Legend]
#18891842 - 09/25/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Legend said:
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Have a look - its not from a conspiracy site either.
Sucralose causes dose related incidence of leukemia in mice, and mice and rats get a statistically significant incidence of liver & other tumors from Aspartame.
On another note, saccharin, cyclamate and acesulfame should be avoided also :cookiemonster.
Worst offenders for these non nutritive sweeteners are soft drinks, particularly the diet and reduced sugar ones. I know I started feeling a lot better when I gave those up.
no shit? i started feeling way better when i quit drinking diet coke.
I didn't
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: NotTheDevil] 1
#18891850 - 09/25/13 11:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry, looks like you got the Mega-Cancer-AIDS from them aspartames.
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ello govna [Re: Asante]
#18891895 - 09/25/13 11:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is new? Seems like they've known about this from the get-go.
They gave aspartame to a series of monkeys and not one came out unscathed. Mostly neurological issues.
Ever taste it raw?? oh myy fuckin...lord. gross. taste the cancer..
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: Asante]
#18892221 - 09/26/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Half the pet rats (fancy rats) I had when I was a kid died from cancerous tumors. I think being a rat leads to cancer. That's why I'm always a little skeptical about these things. They usually use really inbred rats for their research too and that can make them sickly by itself.
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Re: New data on sweeteners: Sucralose and Aspartame cause cancer in rodents [Re: Ellis Dee]
#18892236 - 09/26/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They should re-run this experiment on robots. They are far less susceptible to cancer.
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