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Re: Greenhouse [Re: nanncee]
    #18883197 - 09/24/13 12:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Wow nanncee,  cheep solution. How do you wire that gizmo?

Ooh I see, four leads opposite the dial. but how do you know the positive power/motor from the negative?


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: deadmandave]
    #18884068 - 09/24/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have read that all these speed controls are made for DC but hydrofarm fans are AC and sold grouped with these speed controls.  Should I expect i'll be able to use one on mine?  I ordered the 6" hydrofarm fan and it should be here tomorrow.


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18885940 - 09/24/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow nanncee,  cheep solution. How do you wire that gizmo?

Ooh I see, four leads opposite the dial. but how do you know the positive power/motor from the negative?




Should be color coded. They work exceptionally well and In a year I have never had one fail on me. (but I have backups just incase)

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I have read that all these speed controls are made for DC but hydrofarm fans are AC and sold grouped with these speed controls.  Should I expect i'll be able to use one on mine?  I ordered the 6" hydrofarm fan and it should be here tomorrow.




The one I linked to and  all Pulse Width Mudulating speed controllers I have seen are DC. So no it will not work with a hydrofarm fan if it is AC.  The cool thing about DC PWM controllers is they aren't limiting the current to your fan so your voltage stays the same. read the wiki it will make more sense. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation

You would need a rheostat controller for AC or there may be something else out there. I will keep on the lookout for an AC PWM. I am no fan expert by any means, just picked up information from my engineering father.


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: nanncee]
    #18889448 - 09/25/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I received the 6" hydrofarm fan today and didn't realize it would be so hard to find a timer that will only one 1 minute at a time every 15 minutes or 10 even.  If anyone knows an affordable timer that will run on an hour cycle the same times every hour please link me :smile:


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    #18890544 - 09/25/13 06:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I received the 6" hydrofarm fan today and didn't realize it would be so hard to find a timer that will only one 1 minute at a time every 15 minutes or 10 even.  If anyone knows an affordable timer that will run on an hour cycle the same times every hour please link me :smile:




This cycle timer is built well and should do ya nicely...


http://www.amazon.com/ART-DNE-Hydroponic-Adjustable-Interval-Controller/dp/B00286QNDM

Also, this speed controller works with Hydrofarm fans...



http://www.amazon.com/Hydrofarm-ACSC-Fan-Speed-Controller/dp/B003URBQ1M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380153699&sr=8-1&keywords=hydrofarm+speed+controller


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: woodland_jewel]
    #18890799 - 09/25/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I received the 6" hydrofarm fan today and didn't realize it would be so hard to find a timer that will only one 1 minute at a time every 15 minutes or 10 even.  If anyone knows an affordable timer that will run on an hour cycle the same times every hour please link me :smile:




This cycle timer is built well and should do ya nicely...


http://www.amazon.com/ART-DNE-Hydroponic-Adjustable-Interval-Controller/dp/B00286QNDM

Also, this speed controller works with Hydrofarm fans...



http://www.amazon.com/Hydrofarm-ACSC-Fan-Speed-Controller/dp/B003URBQ1M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380153699&sr=8-1&keywords=hydrofarm+speed+controller



I have one of the top timers and like it pretty good....for what its worth


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: Mangomankw]
    #18967498 - 10/12/13 08:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ok as I continue to design my warehouse, one I found low lighting was an issue.  I stuck a fluorescent hood in there and the mushrooms bloomed a lot fuller on that side of the buckets while aborting on the shaded side so I bought another and it is well lit up now.  One thing I'm realizing is it's probably going to take 2 hydro farms to have equal intake an exhaust on limiters. I'm wondering if running 2 constant even on a speed limiter will eat up electric.  Should I try to set it to run 1 min full air exchanges?


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19088886 - 11/05/13 07:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Alright well the greenhouse is coming further along.  I now have 2 6" hydrofarm blowers, 2 speed controllers which are working just fine, am using 5 foggers and may add one more today just so i can speed up the air intake and exhaust and still maintain the humidity.  What I am working on now is setting an environment up for various species at the same time.  I currently have oysters, shiitake, black poplar, reishi, and king oysters.  Ok.  Now if you can picture this.  There is a zipper door on the front and the intake goes in through there.  Now the exhaust goes out through the back end on the right.  It draws air out from the floor.  I wish I could draw diagrams for this as I'd like to discuss the air flow and if someone can recomend a program that'd be great.  The intake as I didnt say is about a foot in a half off the ground then runs up so it eventually sets about middle height of the greenhouse but of course the upper limits arent filled.  Ok.  Heres what I want to do.  I'd like to have areas of higher fae and lower mainly for kings and such.  wouuld placing the intake on the ground and exhaust up high make areas of high co2 around the bottom of the back?  Or up high in the front.  Or say I did it vice versa, would one way help more?  Also the intake comes in on left of door and the exhaust is the corner adjacent.  Maybe I shoudl keep both the intake and exhaust to one side then the opposite side would slowly build higher CO2.  I hope everyone is able to understand this and I will work through a better way of sharing and take some pictures as I work today for better vissuals.  I appreciate any and all input from you guys!  Thank you.


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19088928 - 11/05/13 07:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Alright well the greenhouse is coming further along.  I now have 2 6" hydrofarm blowers, 2 speed controllers which are working just fine, am using 5 foggers and may add one more today just so i can speed up the air intake and exhaust and still maintain the humidity.  What I am working on now is setting an environment up for various species at the same time.  I currently have oysters, shiitake, black poplar, reishi, and king oysters.  Ok.  Now if you can picture this.  There is a zipper door on the front and the intake goes in through there.  Now the exhaust goes out through the back end on the right.  It draws air out from the floor.  I wish I could draw diagrams for this as I'd like to discuss the air flow and if someone can recomend a program that'd be great.  The intake as I didnt say is about a foot in a half off the ground then runs up so it eventually sets about middle height of the greenhouse but of course the upper limits arent filled.  Ok.  Heres what I want to do.  I'd like to have areas of higher fae and lower mainly for kings and such.  wouuld placing the intake on the ground and exhaust up high make areas of high co2 around the bottom of the back?  Or up high in the front.  Or say I did it vice versa, would one way help more?  Also the intake comes in on left of door and the exhaust is the corner adjacent.  Maybe I shoudl keep both the intake and exhaust to one side then the opposite side would slowly build higher CO2.  I hope everyone is able to understand this and I will work through a better way of sharing and take some pictures as I work today for better vissuals.  I appreciate any and all input from you guys!  Thank you.




If understand your design correctly, I would imagine your corners nearest the ends would have higher CO2. but honestly it is going to have a lot to do with if you are building positive pressure or not. Pictures/diagrams would help. This is where a decent CO2 meter is a must IMO. We bit the bullet last year and bought one. It has helped immensely.


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: nanncee]
    #19089247 - 11/05/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have an equilibrium I suppose.  I try to match the intake fan's speed to hte exhaust speed so it comes in as fast as it goes out.  More or less air is traveling from one corner to the adjacent corner.  My bigger concern is does having either or at the top or bottom affect the overall environment.  If both on bottom I'd imagine the air up top would have higher co2 but some people say because co2 is heavier it sinks while others say it remains mixed.  I'm guessing i'm just gonna have to experiment.  I'm just trying not to have to repeatedly put new holes in my greenhouse. Here it is:
I have the intake coming to the right side of the door at about 2' height.  The exhaust is in the back right corner behind those buckets.  It seemed to help having hte oysters closer to the exhaust.


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19334643 - 12/27/13 09:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well, my greenhouse is starting to fill up and I need shelving and fast!  To remind everyone, I have a 10x7ft greenhouse about 7 ft tall in the middle with walls around 5 feet tall or so.  I was looking at these http://www.menards.com/main/shelving-visualizer/garage-basement/plano-4-shelf-heavy-duty-ventilated-shelving/p-1912377-c-12652.htm were what I was considering until I read some threads and everyone says to steer away from the plastic shelves.  I thought they'd be easy to clean but people say they will let stuff build up.  Now they are grated and quite thinly, not thick as many of the ones I've seen.  I was sort of thinking maybe I could rotate shelves til I get to where I always have one empty and it can be sprayed down super well.  Or maybe it would just work as is since it's grated so well like I said.  If this is truly still not a very good option I was then considering buying several of these http://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/storage-buildings/greenhouses/4-shelf-greenhouse/p-1505644-c-10122.htm and not using the covers on them.  I thought maybe I could set them right side by side and ziptie the legs and shelve ends themselves together so they were tightly held together and this would also make each inside legg 2x as thick.  If someone thinks sturdiness would still be an issue then does anyone have a suggestion?  I already have one of these in my greenhouse and I have 6-8 5lb blocks on each shelf and whiel its holding up I do sometimes worry.  But as side maybe reinforcing against each other will play a big help and not to mention if I ever do come up with better shelving or later have time to build something better, I'll have a bunch of individual greenhouses for playing with random species all with clean unused covers.  I really do hope to move into a bigger space eventually, maybe this summer or even sooner since I have raised a bunch of attention and am selling all I grow and hesitant to keep spreading the word til I up production which is what I'm working on now.  Well I appreciate any input and I'd like to have this done by the end of the day sunday so If the answer is still to build my own I need to be able to do it this weekend.  Any advice or further links are appreciated.  Thanks :smile:


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19335915 - 12/28/13 07:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Build something like technobilly did if your low on funds.  If not get the NSF metal shelves from menards for $60/each. And for an extra $10 you can add wheels to them.


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: Aleon]
    #19336123 - 12/28/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The problem I get with the ones similar to tBs is that my greenhouse is arched so I can't easily support them to the beams with out cutting up the greenhouse and spending more to seal it.  I am gonna look more into a moveable design though. I'm gonna look on menards again and see if I see the ones you speak of.  Wheels defjnitwly sound good.  What did you end up using. I seen your thread but not what you decided upon.  Have you ever tried plastic ones similar to the ones I linked? I like the fact that later I could use them for something else when I move into a bigger space.


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19336226 - 12/28/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Also is this the one your speaking of? http://www.menards.com/main/shelving-visualizer/garage-basement/wire-shelving-18-x-48-x-72-four-shelf-black/p-2193677-c-12652.htm Wheels would definitely be good for cleaning as I think about it.  I just have to make sure I can clear it on the sides but I'm about to check!


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19336853 - 12/28/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well after checking the dimensions, the last one I linked won't fit :/  I did find though that I can stick 4 of the mini greenhouses, sin covers, side by side on one side.  At 6 blocks per shelf, thats 96 blocks on one side.  If I go both sides thats 192 blocks plus I could still do about 8-12 buckets at the end of the greenhouse.  That seems rather nice to me!  Since they'd be side by side, I'd think as I said that when ziptied together the overall stability would be increased.  Also in the near future I could add just some sort of stabalizer, maybe under the very top shelfs to add a little extra support.  The only problem would be moving them.  Also I notice rust sometimes where the poles go vertical into the fittings, never horizontal for some reason.  I'm still waiting to hear if anyone has used the plastic ones I posted as well.  They look sturdier and would not need to be attached to each other and could be rotated so one is always being cleaned.  I am curious though for those who built their own racks, maybe using pvc, what thickness is necessary?  I knwo the fittings themselves get rather expensive which is why I originally didn't make my own greenhouse  This is also another option to accomodate the height later.  Oh and one final thing. If i did use the mini greenhouses I could occasionaly put the covers on and leave them unzipped or zipped to accomodate those that like higher co2 levels.  Sorry this is a lot but I'm just now getting to the need to do more which is a good thing :smile:  Hell i'll probably eventually build my own and use the current greenhouse outdoors this summer, but that doesn't solve my current problem since I cannot afford to build another and buy shelves at this time.


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19336966 - 12/28/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

if you're going to go with the metal wire shelves you should get them at a used restaurant supply store, they will be way cheaper and maybe you can get wider shelves.  also if you put wheels on them make sure to lock the threads on the bottom.  i just had to replace a couple sets of wheels cause they loosened and bent.


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: drake89]
    #19337979 - 12/28/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Check t3chnobily's shelves out and see what you think.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19265377/gonew/1#UNREAD


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: MObeek]
    #19357784 - 01/02/14 10:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I've been steady going throgh my head debating what to do.  I realized I can lift my greenhouse about 6 inches and it maybe a good idea anyways so the bottom braces become easier to clean. Also I may just rebuild and use this greenhouse for another area or outside.  But anyways I'm going to get the 6 ft tall metal wire nsf shelves from menards.  Are there any reason to go with either the black or chrome?  will one not rust as easy or anything else someone can tell me from expierience?


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    #19357822 - 01/02/14 10:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would go with the galvanized not so much for rust resistance but it will be easier to see where and when it needs to be cleaned.


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Re: Greenhouse [Re: Jeff]
    #19358327 - 01/02/14 12:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Get the black; its NSF and it doesn't rust.


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