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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18888507 - 09/25/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Highest expenditure but #1 for effectiveness. Rich Canadians with health issues come here for a reason.




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If you aren't lucky though, you can get fucked financially for life, or worse: fucked health-wise.




Lots of things can fuck one financially for life.


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18888593 - 09/25/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

nope i still have tricare through my parents
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either way id rather pay the 1% penalty this year before I start my new job.



and yeah rabble rabble rabble Obamacare is ruining your life. Its just a step towards a single payer system like the rest of the intelligent world implemented a decade ago.


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18888618 - 09/25/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If you aren't lucky though, you can get fucked financially for life, or worse: fucked health-wise.




I agree, but it doesn't necessarily have to do with "luck" IMO.  Go visit any number of health care sites.  You can get good insurance for $100-150/month.  About the cost of a cell phone and sack of drugs.

The young don't prioritize such things though, so they wait until some catastrophic comes to get health care.  Then they get screwed by a huge bill.  Health care coverage should be included in public education.


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Asante]
    #18888758 - 09/25/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I was going against the call for our young members to go around uninsured, not the specifics of that healthcare plan.





Seeing as how many Libertarians there are around here, I'm surprised by the dearth of cries of "let 'em die if the can't pay".


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #18889685 - 09/25/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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i don't think many would deny that the US offers top rate medical service--but yea, with that one caveat, if you can afford it




The patient safety thing is kind of worrisome too, but that just means its not as good as 5 of the very best other country's systems. If we were ranked below, say, Pakistan, I'd be worried.


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: qman] * 2
    #18889711 - 09/25/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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For many young people, the insurance is unaffordable, and it's far from full coverage.  Most plans have high deductibles and 35% of the medical costs, insurance pay 65%.

Health care in the US is a racket, and so is Obama Care. I believe universal health care is the best policy.



:thumbup: this

many of wiccans reasonings are based on the accepting that it is normal or okay for medical bills to be in the multiple tens of thousands and therefore we need to be insured against those costs. a freak dental accident should not cost 20k and this is where the true problem is.

all i see obama care doing is forcing insurance companies to take on more of these huge $$$ patients which means they will pass those charges on to everyone elses monthly bills. its socialized health care but in the WORST possible way because it is still based on private for profit companies.

imo insurance in general needs to be eliminated so that either a) free market forces can drive prices into the ground or b) true govt socialized health care can cover everyone


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18889716 - 09/25/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have free, great insurance until 25

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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: unknown1123]
    #18889809 - 09/25/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Some of the posts in this thread are laughable at best.

Under the affordable care act there is no mention of adding more doctors/PAs/Nurses or opening new schools to train more yet they expect the current system to sustain hundreds of thousands of new patients while supposedly giving me "improved healthcare". There may not be plans for more doctors but the IRS is expecting to hire 16,000 new agents to track down and extract funds from those who do not pay the "fine". Those younger people who would usually carry major medical are being told this is unacceptable coverage and being made to carry more extensive (and expensive) insurance or face the fine as well.

Of course the insurance companies love this new influx of indentured customers despite having to swallow the bitter pill of covering preexisting conditions(not that they care as they will pass these costs onto you and I in our premiums.

Not even getting into the fact that Congress and the Senate have done everything in their power to keep their old healthcare coverage and make sure they do not fall under the affordable healthcare act by writing loopholes into the legislation.

Some of you "Thank god Obama is looking out for the little guy." people need to do a bit more research.

Obama is just as much of a corporate shill as Bush Jr. ever was, but I guess he is a "cool",black,democrat so we can pretend he isn't fucking us just as badly as any president in the past.


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: unknown1123]
    #18889810 - 09/25/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

forgive me for my young emotions, but this shit is fucking ridiculous, people already have shit to worry about, and now this??


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18890460 - 09/25/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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A lot of people actually would rather die then go to a hospital, you should really think about what you're saying





I would give anything to go back in time and shoot myself in the head before I was sent to a psychiatric hospital for the first time.

I didn't need it and it had far worse repercussions than any of the mischief that landed me there (I decided to kick a K2 habit cold turkey and couldn't sleep for 4 days).

I have a schizophrenia dx on my record and can't (legally :naughty:) own a gun. They kept me for over a month and a half and it amounted to well over $50,000 just for 3 meals a day, 2 minutes (literally) with a psychiatrist 3-5 days a week, and all the pills they could treat my adverse reactions to their other pills with.
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I was in there one night, the guy sent me in. He said to get me on drugs.

It turned into a screening process to see how I would handle them for one week.

The last day the bitch goes "Oh, we just have to keep you here a few more days. I ONLY said we'd talk to your mother today."

And somehow they weren't even supposed to keep me there.

Got out on the tenth day, 60,000 dollar bill and i'm taking risperdal and some other shit 3 times a day took like 1000 pills a month for three months then figured it wasnt worth it with all the side effects and lasting brain shrinkage I may get out of it, had all sorts of skin conditions too that they didn't help me with, bitch copped a attitude with my mom on the phone then another lady played the fiddle to my emergency contact.

Soulless fucks trying to put me on drugs, fuck my college semester retard and listen to my problems for 350 an hour

I think about the one person that kept me there and ridiculed me out of the blue and also called me schizo and I just want  to wait til she goes home one day follow her home and fuck her car up bad with a bb gun and some keys. I fucking hate her so much after leaving that place and becoming free


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Konyap]
    #18890591 - 09/25/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

wow mental hospitals in the states sound horrendous, up in canada they are more like hotels for the crazy, you dont pay a cent

the stay in hospital is on the government as is all the drugs *while* you are in hospital

and if your have a serious enough mental issue when you get out you can get disability (welfare for people with mental issues), or drug assistance (pay nothing for your drugs or just a few bucks)


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: hidenseek1]
    #18890766 - 09/25/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

we paid 3000, but yeah it's just a long list of shit on an even bigger list of shit

didn't even try to take my final test after writing a 10page essay, was just too depressed


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18891256 - 09/25/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuck having an insurance company decide if I'm covered or not




and the govt. is any better?

FUCK BOTH


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: st1llnox]
    #18891295 - 09/25/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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aiyobro said:
A lot of people actually would rather die then go to a hospital, you should really think about what you're saying



(I decided to kick a K2 habit cold turkey and couldn't sleep for 4 days).




ohh noo  :cryaboutit:  not K2!


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Asante]
    #18891355 - 09/25/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

:lolsy:

Yes, it's my responsibility to help pay for expenses for a nation of fat fucks who ate themselves into Type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Fuck that, and fuck them. The faster they die, the happier I will be.


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18891439 - 09/25/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Cmon all you healthy 20 year olds.  They are counting on you to go out and pay through the nose for coverage you don't needd to make Obamacare work.  :smirk:

That is, pay for insurance that you will never use.




I'd actually save a lot of money, assuming they pay for drugs. If not, I'm good.


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18891554 - 09/25/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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My point was you don't get to pick and choose what legislation you abide by and what you don't. ...not without consequences





Really?  Obama has no consequences for picking and choosing what regulations he enforces.  :smirk:

But what I really want someone to tell me is how the goverment sticking themselves into the middle of the health care industry as a middleman does anything to improve the system?  they've fucked up everything else they touch.

1)  The system is counting on healthy young people who usually dont have insurance to buy insurance and subsidize the care of the sick and elderly.

2) People who dont make enough money qualify for subsidies up to the amount of the insurance.  Whippity-do-fuck!!  FREE STUFF!!!

Where is the money coming from?  I imagine the taxpayer is going to squat and shit a pretty penny.

Here is the scenario I envision:  The system collapses under the problems of its poor design.  the republicans get blamed for 'obstructing it' an keeping it from working.  :smirk:


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18891578 - 09/25/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

We need to legalize euthenasia. Doctors do it already in some form or another.


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Konyap]
    #18892535 - 09/26/13 03:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I hate party's. Everyone should be independet without having to choose BS "parties"that pretend to care about our well being for money.


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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: dark3st]
    #18892766 - 09/26/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You're probably just jealous because nobody invites you to any parties.


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