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krypto2000
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What is 'full colonization'?
#18888482 - 09/25/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seems like an obvious thing, but what exactly constitutes 'fully colonized?' Is it when the mycilium has literally covered every single grain, even shrinking and pulling in those pressed against the glass and single ones loose stuck to the wall up above, completely surrounding them or is it just when the mycilium has completely filled the spawn, as in you're ok to have the ones pressed against the glass visible? Just wondering because I've been going with the later, but it had me thinking, maybe my jars are simply not fully colonized. Mine will get to this point in 6-10 days normally and then slowly creep along upwards of another week to fully colonize every surface of every visible grain. Have I simply been spawning too soon?
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MsAngelique
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Re: What is 'full colonization'? [Re: krypto2000]
#18888640 - 09/25/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Seems like an obvious thing, but what exactly constitutes 'fully colonized?' Is it when the mycilium has literally covered every single grain, even shrinking and pulling in those pressed against the glass and single ones loose stuck to the wall up above, completely surrounding them or is it just when the mycilium has completely filled the spawn, as in you're ok to have the ones pressed against the glass visible? Just wondering because I've been going with the later, but it had me thinking, maybe my jars are simply not fully colonized. Mine will get to this point in 6-10 days normally and then slowly creep along upwards of another week to fully colonize every surface of every visible grain. Have I simply been spawning too soon?
This is a really good detailed question/topic. I look forward to reading the replies. Thanks for posting it.
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Re: What is 'full colonization'? [Re: MsAngelique]
#18888657 - 09/25/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Full colonization is just that. . .full colonization.
Often as you pointed out, grains are stuck tight against the glass and the mycelium can't grow thick enough in that spot for you to see. That doesn't mean the grains aren't fully colonized. When everything but what is tight against the glass is colonized, you're there.
Bear in mind, if you see a milky outline around non-colonized grains, it indicates bacteria. RR
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Zeparthian
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Re: What is 'full colonization'? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#18889032 - 09/25/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also if you are doing grains, you'll want to let it consolidate after it hits 100% colonization. Basically which is letting the mycelium sit for a few days ( I let my g2g sit for 2-3 days to consolidate) after full colonization to take in the extra nutrients the grains hold within.
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: What is 'full colonization'? [Re: Zeparthian]
#18889039 - 09/25/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Zeparthian said: Also if you are doing grains, you'll want to let it consolidate after it hits 100% colonization. Basically which is letting the mycelium sit for a few days ( I let my g2g sit for 2-3 days to consolidate) after full colonization to take in the extra nutrients the grains hold within.
This is not true.
You want to consolidate high-nutrient substrates that you are fruiting from.
If you are using the grains for spawn or G2G, you want to use it as soon as the jar is 100% because the mycelium is rapidly expanding and will continue to do so if given the opportunity.
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Zeparthian
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So what is the consolidation period than? If your doing MS would you let consolidate than because I have every time. I've also been letting my g2g consolidate. i see no harm, only benefits. So basically only let the bulk consolidate? You don't need to consolidate the grains because transferred to bulk to consolidate?
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Edited by Zeparthian (09/25/13 12:30 PM)
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: What is 'full colonization'? [Re: Zeparthian]
#18889071 - 09/25/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Zeparthian said: So what is the consolidation period than? If your doing MS would you let consolidate than because I have every time. I've also been letting my g2g consolidate. i see no harm, only benefits. So why am I wrong here Frank?
Because the mycelium slows down and starts getting ready to fruit when you consolidate. We try not to interrupt it when that begins.
Consolidation is for highly nutritious substrates such as BRF + verm. The mycelium needs time to digest the substrate before fruiting.
When doing grain to grain, you want to keep the mycelium rapidly expanding. Therefore, no consolidating spawn or G2G masters. RR himself has gone over this before.
IME the only thing that needs consolidation time for good performance is grain-based substrates that you are fruiting from, like PF cakes en route to the SGFC, or a jar of grains that you are casing on top.
Hope this makes sense.
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Zeparthian
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Makes complete sense now, so the tub would be doing that by it's self naturally while trying to pin I'm sure?
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Re: What is 'full colonization'? [Re: Zeparthian]
#18889090 - 09/25/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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When I'm slow and lazy and don't get around to spawn or g2g my colonized jars, I'm thinking I'm fucking up because when it stops growing outwards, the myc prepares to fruit. I don't want it to have to revert back to grow-stage again, and it helps me get off my ass!
edit: basically what frank said. Again, I'm a bit slow.
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Zeparthian
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Re: What is 'full colonization'? [Re: spacechildo]
#18889095 - 09/25/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well say for instance you have 8 g2g jars going and all but maybe 2 need a couple more days. I'm sure people may be forced to let their jars consolidate if they're waiting on the other quarts for the same project?
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: What is 'full colonization'? [Re: Zeparthian]
#18889103 - 09/25/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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A couple days won't hurt.
It's just not good practice to make a habit of waiting after 100% before spawning/g2g for the reasons above.
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As Frank said, consolidation is only needed with PF cakes or when fruiting directly from the grain. For G2G or bulk, you want to take advantage of the speed of young mycelium.
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