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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: Icepic]
    #18888096 - 09/25/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't disagree with your assertions, but what do you think the real root of the issue is?
No one really ever seems to want to say it, but everyone claims to know it.

:shrug:




America's problem is a culture of violence not guns. Kids watch gangsters and bad guys being "cool" from the time they are knee high. Violence is as American as apple pie, until being a badass and a thug isn't cool anymore this will keep happening, hell we also have a culture of idiots that have their pants down past their ass and go out in public in pajamas. If ever get in a fight with a gangster with his pants sagging, pull his pants down and push real hard, he's gonna fall jump on him and wail his face, sagging pants=real easy person to beat the shit out of. There I go expanding our culture of violence :crazy2:




thats dumb. ive been in a few fights with "gangsters" that had sagging pants. i actually got the shit kicked out of me by one dude that had his "ass hanging out".

most fights are pre meditated, meaning they know what the next few steps will be. not sure if you ever actually been in a real fight, but the first few seconds is the 2+ "preparing" themselves.

sure, if you catch someone off guard and push them before they even realize their in a fight, then sure, your idea might work.

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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18888280 - 09/25/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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If it wasn't guns, many of those thugs would be using knifes, bats, and spears to murder people.

Some cultures are extremely violent regardless of the social economic circumstances, gun laws make no difference in their behavior, (the people trying to change gun laws) is just a reaction to a very embarrassing situation.



That logic  works in UK with knife laws but not for guns. Bats and spears tend not to spray 200 rounds a minute and kill innocent bystanders.  I'm not all for illegal guns but you certainly need some more legislation there.




"you certainly need some more legislation there."

Yeah, the politicians will write up some new law and "fix" the problem.  :smilingpuppy:


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: qman]
    #18888320 - 09/25/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You fix everything one of two ways:

nobody has guns, nobody shoots eachother

everyone can have guns, and the very tiny proportion of gun owners who would ever misuse it know what they've got coming if they rob a house in the midwest, texas, etc.


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: st1llnox]
    #18888341 - 09/25/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm still part of the crowd that believes that if there is no guns, then you can't be shot.


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: Patlal]
    #18888360 - 09/25/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm still part of the crowd that believes that if there is no guns, then you can't be shot.




This this this this this.


Sadly, in countries where guns aren't allowed for citizens, if the criminals don't get one black market (which they seem to actually not do! :nodofapproval:), there've been cases I've heard of where perps simply bust in with a kitchen knife, crowbar, or hammer and get what they want that way.

I'm subject to a HEAVY republican bias on this issue though and my source for the above is conservative talk radio so if anyone who lives in such a country (do you guys have guns, Patlal? I hear it's just hunters way up north and by special permission) would like to chime in or correct me, I'm all ears! :aweyeah:


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: st1llnox]
    #18888374 - 09/25/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm still part of the crowd that believes that if there is no guns, then you can't be shot.




This this this this this.


Sadly, in countries where guns aren't allowed for citizens, if the criminals don't get one black market (which they seem to actually not do! :nodofapproval:), there've been cases I've heard of where perps simply bust in with a kitchen knife, crowbar, or hammer and get what they want that way.

I'm subject to a HEAVY republican bias on this issue though and my source for the above is conservative talk radio so if anyone who lives in such a country (do you guys have guns, Patlal? I hear it's just hunters way up north and by special permission) would like to chime in or correct me, I'm all ears! :aweyeah:




I don't have a gun, but when I get enough cash, odds are I'll buy a rifle of some kind.


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: Patlal]
    #18888384 - 09/25/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

my next buy will be a rifle as well. saiga 7.62x39. i plan on converting it into an ak style rifle.


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: qman]
    #18888405 - 09/25/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
I'm still part of the crowd that believes that if there is no guns, then you can't be shot.



Illegal guns only stop law abiding citizens....but hefty jail yime does help reduce gun crime.
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If it wasn't guns, many of those thugs would be using knifes, bats, and spears to murder people.

Some cultures are extremely violent regardless of the social economic circumstances, gun laws make no difference in their behavior, (the people trying to change gun laws) is just a reaction to a very embarrassing situation.



That logic  works in UK with knife laws but not for guns. Bats and spears tend not to spray 200 rounds a minute and kill innocent bystanders.  I'm not all for illegal guns but you certainly need some more legislation there.




"you certainly need some more legislation there."

Yeah, the politicians will write up some new law and "fix" the problem.  :smilingpuppy:



Legislation to dictate what guns are ok and reasons for ownership.  Legislation to ensure a gun isnt sold to a resident of a built up neighbourhood that is capable of passing through walls into other houses. Courses on firearm safety, gun cabinets,  home inspection,  if ou own rifles you should have purpose and be able to demonstrate that......why am I doing all the thinking for you


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: Fire is Born] * 1
    #18888413 - 09/25/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Illegal guns only stop law abiding citizens




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Illegal guns only stop law abiding citizens




QFT. Twice :manofapproval:



I lost my gun rights and it really bothers me. Didn't want one this early in life but now that I can't, it's a priority and very, very frustrating.


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18888445 - 09/25/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18888492 - 09/25/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
I'm still part of the crowd that believes that if there is no guns, then you can't be shot.



Illegal guns only stop law abiding citizens....but hefty jail yime does help reduce gun crime.
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

Fire is Born said:
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qman said:
If it wasn't guns, many of those thugs would be using knifes, bats, and spears to murder people.

Some cultures are extremely violent regardless of the social economic circumstances, gun laws make no difference in their behavior, (the people trying to change gun laws) is just a reaction to a very embarrassing situation.



That logic  works in UK with knife laws but not for guns. Bats and spears tend not to spray 200 rounds a minute and kill innocent bystanders.  I'm not all for illegal guns but you certainly need some more legislation there.




"you certainly need some more legislation there."

Yeah, the politicians will write up some new law and "fix" the problem.  :smilingpuppy:



Legislation to dictate what guns are ok and reasons for ownership.  Legislation to ensure a gun isnt sold to a resident of a built up neighbourhood that is capable of passing through walls into other houses. Courses on firearm safety, gun cabinets,  home inspection,  if ou own rifles you should have purpose and be able to demonstrate that......why am I doing all the thinking for you




No one is saying that having good gun laws on the books is not sensible for law abiding citizens, but what does this have to do with criminals that DON"T follow the laws?

Do you really think the thugs in Chicago will ever care about firearm safety and gun cabinets?  They DON"T obtain their guns legally in the first place.

Maybe you need a visit to a city like Chicago, and see first hand how these people behave, they don't care about any laws.


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: qman]
    #18888504 - 09/25/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe you need to read the post where I said illegal guns only stop law abiding citizens. I think you've misses my point  :wtfsonic:


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18888583 - 09/25/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe you need to read the post where I said illegal guns only stop law abiding citizens. I think you've misses my point  :wtfsonic:



More laws aren't the answer the citizens should be allowed to buy whatever government soldiers can carry to defend themselves from tyranny.


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18888604 - 09/25/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The Gun Control   at it again--trying to sell the public a wagon full of horse-shit that the fucking BLACK GANG VIOLENCE in Chicago is the fault of 'Illegal Guns and Gun Vilence.' 

ABC had an article that on first inspection, seemed to be a objective telling of the facts.  Closer inspection had 'Military Grade Weapons'  'Assault Sytle Weapons' and 'Military type Guns' Every reference to the weapons in the artile used those phrases to describe them.  they had pictures too--of old shotguns, and standard rifles that anyone can buy.  Oh, anyone can buy them except in Chicago.

so now in the city of the harshest gun control in the US, black thugs are running around shooting the place up and it is 'gun violence' that is going to be cured by more gun control? 

Give me a fuckng break.  Fucking ABC is trying to plant emotional images in peoples minds connecting guns to the fuckng lawless gang violence Chicago is riddled with. 

And Rahm Emanuel made a fucking speech about needing to get 'gun violence under control'

fuck you Rahm.  Why don't yu start fucking packing those black gangsters off t butt-fuck central the Illinois Department of Corrections.


It's absurd, these fucking liberal assholes will point the finger at anything except the REAL root of the problem.




So whats the problem? Poverty, education, birth control, safety net programs. Everyone knows the GOP is fighting tooth and nail to solve this problem. Gimme a break.


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Re: The Gun Toting Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: starfire_xes]
    #18888624 - 09/25/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, so it's a complex issue which legislation (and enforcement thereof) isn't going to solve all by itself. And because of that, the gun enthusiasts argue that no steps should be taken to draft legislation, because it wouldn't help anyway.
It's like saying "global warming is too complex an issue; let's burn more coal"
It's like saying "building a house will take not only bricks and mortar, but lots of other things, so I'm not going to start buying bricks 'cause it won't be enough anyway"
It's like saying "education is just one aspect of a child's development, so I'm not going to send it off to school because just school won't make the kid successful anyway"

If something seems too difficult to solve...then better not try. Right?

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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18888643 - 09/25/13 10:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe you need to read the post where I said illegal guns only stop law abiding citizens. I think you've misses my point  :wtfsonic:



More laws aren't the answer the citizens should be allowed to buy whatever government soldiers can carry to defend themselves from tyranny.



So 1000lb bombs and mini guns are necessary for the public? Do you need tracer rounds and grenades too?


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: Fire is Born]
    #18888656 - 09/25/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Fire is Born said:
Maybe you need to read the post where I said illegal guns only stop law abiding citizens. I think you've misses my point  :wtfsonic:



More laws aren't the answer the citizens should be allowed to buy whatever government soldiers can carry to defend themselves from tyranny.



So 1000lb bombs and mini guns are necessary for the public? Do you need tracer rounds and grenades too?



Uh yea government thugs can carry and own those items are the government soldiers superior to the public in your eyes?


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18888675 - 09/25/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Guns = higher health care costs

Who gets shot the most? Poor People

Who pays for the poor people health care? Medicaid

Who pays for medicaid?  YOU!




To pay for poor people shooting each other!


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #18888681 - 09/25/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

if i wanted to i can call up a guy and throw 300 and get a throw away gun in a matter of minutes. i can also get my  hands on fully automatics with no problems. it will always be like that. the only thing that will change with more gun control laws is the price its gonna cost me to get these scratched guns. just like drugs, they will always be there and easy to acquire no matter how strict the laws are.


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Re: The Gun Control Tools Are At It Again.... [Re: Patlal]
    #18888685 - 09/25/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Guns = higher health care costs

Who gets shot the most? Poor People

Who pays for the poor people health care? Medicaid

Who pays for medicaid?  YOU!




To pay for poor people shooting each other!




up until now i deemed you as a bright poster. really? the majority of people who get shot are poor people?


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