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Deities in the making
    #18888265 - 09/25/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Surely once evolution reaches an indeterminate point;
we, or whatever form humanity has evolved into will more closely
resemble divine beings. If you agree that progression is the name
of the game, then wouldn't increased longevity, resistance to injury,
disease, and even more formidable mental powers be a possibility?

It's only a matter if time.



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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman] * 1
    #18888273 - 09/25/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't look that way from here.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Icelander]
    #18888298 - 09/25/13 08:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Care to share your perspective?


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman]
    #18888311 - 09/25/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It's already in the making through extreme divide in money.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18888351 - 09/25/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
It's already in the making through extreme divide in money.





nice pitch, buddy.

cant be truer than that.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman]
    #18888486 - 09/25/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

tribesman said:
Surely once evolution reaches an indeterminate point;
we, or whatever form humanity has evolved into will more closely
resemble divine beings. If you agree that progression is the name
of the game, then wouldn't increased longevity, resistance to injury,
disease, and even more formidable mental powers be a possibility?

It's only a matter if time.




Hard to say but progress seems to be in more of a Time Machine flavor than Guardians of Asgard. I of course am evolving into a Morlock.

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Re: Deities in the making [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18888522 - 09/25/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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liquidlounge said:
It's already in the making through extreme divide in money.




Indeed, money (and fame) as a cultural mode of death denial, a culturally relevant from of illusory transcendence.


It really seems to be not all that different than the games I see my little cousins play, other than the fact that millions of people are playing it. :shrug:


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman] * 2
    #18888782 - 09/25/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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tribesman said:
Surely once evolution reaches an indeterminate point;
we, or whatever form humanity has evolved into will more closely
resemble divine beings. If you agree that progression is the name
of the game, then wouldn't increased longevity, resistance to injury,
disease, and even more formidable mental powers be a possibility?

It's only a matter if time.







Yay! Another member who completely misunderstands evolution. :cheer:


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18888946 - 09/25/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, it could be true in a way.

We are highly adapted towards tool use, which means technology, engineering, and innovation. Through science, we can increase our lifespan and control over our environment to the point that we may resemble what an earlier iteration of ourselves may have considered "divine." There's also something to be said for the exponential gain of human knowledge thanks to technology like the internet -- we make knowledge faster and easier to share, which in turn increases our ability to develop ways of sharing knowledge.

In other words, as we get smarter, we increase our ability to make ourselves smarter. But are we becoming wiser? :shrug:


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Rahz]
    #18889205 - 09/25/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

So a split is already occurring? How long before physiology starts to
Display distinct variations between the glitterati and the plebs?


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18889222 - 09/25/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:

tribesman said:
Surely once evolution reaches an indeterminate point;
we, or whatever form humanity has evolved into will more closely
resemble divine beings. If you agree that progression is the name
of the game, then wouldn't increased longevity, resistance to injury,
disease, and even more formidable mental powers be a possibility?

It's only a matter if time.







Yay! Another member who completely misunderstands evolution. :cheer:




Not completely.

I was including transhumanist / posthumanist efforts. I know evolution is too random and
Does not necessarily move in a linear progression. The thread was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek. Obviously I'm still learning the science bunkum, so I will get it wrong
Along the way.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman] * 1
    #18889252 - 09/25/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

OK, I will cut you some slack. The great misunderstanding by the ill-informed is that there is some sort of goal or end-game of evolution that we are heading towards. Evolution is backward-looking descriptor of what has already happened.

The entire 'goal' is the passing on of offspring and future survival; not the development of super powers or mega intelligence. Ants and sharks have barely changed in a hundred million years because they have ALREADY ADAPTED very well to their environments.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #18889277 - 09/25/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

There nothing to say that a severe change to habitat could pose Ants a survival challenge for which they are not adapted. Hence the potential for any progress to be wiped.

Then what about these transhumanists?


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman]
    #18889639 - 09/25/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

tribesman said:
So a split is already occurring? How long before physiology starts to
Display distinct variations between the glitterati and the plebs?




It was tongue in cheek. Wells scenario might be possible but it seems like a certain level of segregation would be necessary, and even then it would take eons of unsuccessful rebellions. Not probable IMO, but technology complicates things.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Rahz]
    #18892732 - 09/26/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Technology can act as a shield protecting us from circumstances that
We are not evolved to survive, though there is a possibility that our technology
Could contribute to a stagnation in our evolution.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman]
    #18892793 - 09/26/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

man + technology = much androidery

we could evolve organically or that said path...


i dunno, 100years of continuous human relationship with organic psychedelics could very well take us somewhere... what more for a thousand years..

???
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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman]
    #18892810 - 09/26/13 06:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When our technology becomes self aware a huge evolutionary leap will have occurred. A new life form will have been created. Once computers start thinking for themselves information will be processed so fast that a human computer hybrid will be inevitable :assimilate:. At this point we have an entirely new human. This can and should take many forms. I say our technology (which probably was borrowed) because i think aliens already have this relationship with there ships and technology, just a hunch.

Quickly I think it will resemble deity'ness in terms of its understanding and how it relates to us as it approaches singularity. Right now its unconscious getting set to wake up and once it does it will instantly have an overwhelming understanding of us.


That is one inevitability but eat a mushroom for now:mushroom2:


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Beside the Garden]
    #18892818 - 09/26/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Oh and then there is genetic manipulation of clones.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Beside the Garden] * 1
    #18892916 - 09/26/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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When our technology becomes self aware a huge evolutionary leap will have occurred. A new life form will have been created. Once computers start thinking for themselves information will be processed so fast that a human computer hybrid will be inevitable :assimilate:. At this point we have an entirely new human. This can and should take many forms. I say our technology (which probably was borrowed) because i think aliens already have this relationship with there ships and technology, just a hunch.

Quickly I think it will resemble deity'ness in terms of its understanding and how it relates to us as it approaches singularity. Right now its unconscious getting set to wake up and once it does it will instantly have an overwhelming understanding of us.


That is one inevitability but eat a mushroom for now:mushroom2:





You mean "if" and that's hardly an inevitability.  It gets really old this proclaiming of possible future events as a reality.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Icelander]
    #18892972 - 09/26/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I love your voice of reason and show me the evidence attitude keeps this place honest:heart:

There always "if" im not trying to be prophetic or any thing but people are working on it right now, its going to happen unless something catastrophic gets in the way. What form the future takes I don't know, i have ideas but AI and cybernetic organisms are on the way.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Beside the Garden] * 1
    #18893111 - 09/26/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks and I'd be very surprised if it happens at all or happens soon. But hey I've been surprised before. Just not often.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #18893255 - 09/26/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Man effectively stopped evolving to match his environment the moment we invented fire.  Technological advancement has replaced physical evolution already;  because of modern medicine, people who by natural rights should never have survived childhood now grow old enough to pass on their genes.  Survival of the "fittest" in the natural sense no longer applies.

I don't view it as a bad thing though.  I have high hopes for the future melding of man and machine.  I hope I live long enough to take part in the inevitable revolution against death, and to see the colonization of other planets. 

Don't laugh too hard.  I am 33 now... already many advances are being made to increase the human lifespan and combat age related diseases.  Google just launched "Calico", a company specifically dedicated to solving the problem of human aging.  By the time I am 70, I fully expect medicine and technology to be available which will allow me to live an active, healthy life to 110+. By the time I am 110, I expect technology to allow me to live to 150 and to begin to convert my flesh body into machine.

It is very possible that the first humans to live forever are alive today.


Edited by Schmendrick (09/26/13 10:09 AM)


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman] * 1
    #18893312 - 09/26/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

tribesman said:
Surely once evolution reaches an indeterminate point;
we, or whatever form humanity has evolved into will more closely
resemble divine beings.





Why?  Bacteria seem to do pretty well for themselves, and require far less elaborate care and support.  What makes you think even more complicated organisms will be produced as evolution progresses rather than less?


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Schmendrick]
    #18893331 - 09/26/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Schmendrick said:
Man effectively stopped evolving to match his environment the moment we invented fire.  Technological advancement has replaced physical evolution already.  Because of modern medicine, people who by natural rights should never have survived childhood now grow old enough to pass on their genes.  Survival of the "fittest" in the natural sense no longer applies.

I don't view it as a bad thing though.  I have high hopes for the future melding of man and machine.  I hope I live long enough to take part in the inevitable revolution against death, and to see the colonization of other planets. 

Don't laugh too hard.  I am 33 now... already many advances are being made to increase the human lifespan and combat age related diseases.  Google just launched "Calico", a company specifically dedicated to solving the problem of human aging.  By the time I am 70, I fully expect medicine and technology to be available which will allow me to live an active, healthy life to 110+. By the time I am 110, I expect technology to allow me to live to 150 and to begin to convert my flesh body into machine.

It is very possible that the first humans to live forever are alive today.





Ah, the revolution against death is it.  Well it won't be won and those striving for it will face an even more ugly internal existence if that's possible.  Death Anxiety for the win. 

I think you're backing the wrong horse friend but that may be your fate. :satansmoking:


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Icelander]
    #18893353 - 09/26/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Death Anxiety for the win. 




Death anxiety is the only anxiety worth having.  All other problems in one's life can be resolved/dealt with through time and patience, but death is eternal.

Still, I have no real anxiety over death... I simply wish to avoid it if at all possible.  If it gets me in the end, well... I won't really care, will I? :smirk:


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman]
    #18893566 - 09/26/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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tribesman said:
Technology can act as a shield protecting us from circumstances that
We are not evolved to survive, though there is a possibility that our technology
Could contribute to a stagnation in our evolution.




Agreed. It could also result in genetic enhancement or self extinction. Hard to say how technology will affect the future.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Schmendrick]
    #18893583 - 09/26/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Death Anxiety for the win. 




Death anxiety is the only anxiety worth having.  All other problems in one's life can be resolved/dealt with through time and patience, but death is eternal.

Still, I have no real anxiety over death... I simply wish to avoid it if at all possible.  If it gets me in the end, well... I won't really care, will I? :smirk:




I'm not buying.  I will suggest a read on the subject however as you seem a pretty upright dude.  "Denial of Death by Ernest Becker."


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Icelander]
    #18893628 - 09/26/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Schmendrick said:
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Death Anxiety for the win. 




Death anxiety is the only anxiety worth having.  All other problems in one's life can be resolved/dealt with through time and patience, but death is eternal.

Still, I have no real anxiety over death... I simply wish to avoid it if at all possible.  If it gets me in the end, well... I won't really care, will I? :smirk:




I'm not buying.  I will suggest a read on the subject however as you seem a pretty upright dude.  "Denial of Death by Ernest Becker."




I have only read one book in my life, and that is the  GOOD BOOK!  THE HOLY MOTHAFUCKIN BIBLE!!!

Just kidding.  I am always up for a good read; I will check it out.  Thanks for the reference.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Schmendrick]
    #18894156 - 09/26/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Death Anxiety for the win. 



Still, I have no real anxiety over death... I simply wish to avoid it if at all possible.  If it gets me in the end, well... I won't really care, will I? :smirk:



Isn't physical pain a factor within death anxiety or the very fear of death? Certainly, physical pain is what we connect both to and with death.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18894259 - 09/26/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

We're already divine. We inhabit the body.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: circastes]
    #18894305 - 09/26/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That is your illogical side.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Schmendrick]
    #18894343 - 09/26/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It is very possible that the first humans to live forever are alive today.



This.

I think it's 100% true, science can't be far behind. I don't think it will be man-machine melding though, it will just be a medicine or something. They've been making advances, I remember hearing about it on the radio news.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18894354 - 09/26/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That is your illogical side.



But my out of body experiences were as much a part of my life as typing this. Obviously there are other forms of us.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: circastes]
    #18894393 - 09/26/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have also had strange things happen in my life but it's not that weird based on the delusional society I have grown up in. Also, my fear of experiencing physical pain and going insane.

Would you not say this trigger delusions?


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Schmendrick]
    #18894402 - 09/26/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Dood by the look of your ratings you're building a solid rep.  :thumbup:  I think your posts are pretty fucking goddamn awesome myself. :thumbup::satansmoking:  I hope you stick around and kick some ass over here.  :manofapproval:


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: johnm214]
    #18894479 - 09/26/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

tribesman said:
Surely once evolution reaches an indeterminate point;
we, or whatever form humanity has evolved into will more closely
resemble divine beings.





Why?  Bacteria seem to do pretty well for themselves, and require far less elaborate care and support.  What makes you think even more complicated organisms will be produced as evolution progresses rather than less?





I understand that evolution doesn't have a plan, a consistent drive, or a
Predictable trajectory. This being said; organisms if given room to spread their
Metaphorical wings, tend to thrive and diversify. It could be argued that even
Though bacteria still earn a good living, life went on and evolved other organisms.

I see evolution now like a drop of water working it's way through the cracks in the bedrock, trying to reach the lowest point. With each time downward momentum being halted as a stagnation that yields a transformation, or a niche for a more suitable candidate to continue the downward journey.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18895553 - 09/26/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I have also had strange things happen in my life but it's not that weird based on the delusional society I have grown up in. Also, my fear of experiencing physical pain and going insane.

Would you not say this trigger delusions?



I mean they were more real than my present experience, certainly more meaningful. They were more likely to be reality than this.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: circastes]
    #18897353 - 09/27/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like you were in an ongoing vulnerable state of mind. This is when I am prone to such experiences, regardless of whether they are pleasant or unpleasant. Without saying we experience them on the same level, you're schizophrenic if I recall correct?

I assume irrational is the keyword.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18934467 - 10/05/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think our evolution is going the wrong way. we as human beings are not progressing, we are doing the opposite of that imo.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Schmendrick]
    #18935732 - 10/05/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have a couple of things to say here

The physiology of the human body is understood pretty in depth (correct me if I am wrong)
But after experimenting with drugs for a while and eventually realizing it was a waste of time, I came to a realization; There is no real "cheat" code in life. Your body is built on a delicate biochemical system that's goal is to maintain homeostasis. If you take a pill of ampheatmine, you will be focused. You will feel great. But eventually you will crash and experinece a low that is the exact proportion by which your high was. So amphetamines can be very useful if you need to finish a biology paper by tomorrow morning. But in the long term, it is not a very sustainable method to increase productivity

The same idea goes for psychedelics, opiates, MDMA, modafinil, alcohol, benzodiazepines, and caffiene. Every reaction in the body where you push it past homeostasis in one direction has a limit and it will slingshot backwards

That being said, people think they can "cheat" to be happy (MDMA, alc, opiates, cocaine), be more productive (caffeine, nicotine, amphetamines), cheat to grow muscle (creatine), and cheat to live longer (modern medicine). But at the end of the day, there is a cap on how far we can push our bodies

The human brain is something that is far misunderstood. And at the end of the day, you can save my body, but I highly doubt that a machine could replace my brain. If I am wrong, I will be glad to admit my defeat, and impressed with the robot or computer that could mimic my complex behavior. But until then, I will assume that my brain can't be replaced

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Man effectively stopped evolving to match his environment the moment we invented fire.  Technological advancement has replaced physical evolution already;  because of modern medicine, people who by natural rights should never have survived childhood now grow old enough to pass on their genes.  Survival of the "fittest" in the natural sense no longer applies.

I don't view it as a bad thing though.  I have high hopes for the future melding of man and machine.  I hope I live long enough to take part in the inevitable revolution against death, and to see the colonization of other planets. 

Don't laugh too hard.  I am 33 now... already many advances are being made to increase the human lifespan and combat age related diseases.  Google just launched "Calico", a company specifically dedicated to solving the problem of human aging.  By the time I am 70, I fully expect medicine and technology to be available which will allow me to live an active, healthy life to 110+. By the time I am 110, I expect technology to allow me to live to 150 and to begin to convert my flesh body into machine.

It is very possible that the first humans to live forever are alive today.




While you ring up an interesting point, I think that there is no real purpose to living longer. Once again, look at the post above me. There are very few cheat methods. I think if you were super healthy all day everyay, I think you could live till 110. But to try and "cheat" biology, I dont think you would be enjoying your life at all


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Icelander]
    #18935844 - 10/05/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks and I'd be very surprised if it happens at all or happens soon. But hey I've been surprised before. Just not often.



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Re: Deities in the making [Re: johnm214]
    #18935860 - 10/05/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Surely once evolution reaches an indeterminate point;
we, or whatever form humanity has evolved into will more closely
resemble divine beings.





Why?  Bacteria seem to do pretty well for themselves, and require far less elaborate care and support.  What makes you think even more complicated organisms will be produced as evolution progresses rather than less?



What makes you think less complicated organisms will be produced rather than less?

Seeing on how this (your) position is completely wrong and goes against science, I would say a healthy dose of wishful, 'know-it-all' thinking.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: hTx]
    #18935932 - 10/05/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with OP, it is only a matter of time.
We will (and already are in some instances) fuse with machine and increase our life-span/abilities, and probably before fusion with machine (I personally wouldn't want to be a cyborg but...maybe.), we will have greatly increased life expectancy with advances in nanotechnology (to those that can afford it).



All here claiming doomsday theories and saying things like "it's impossible." have obviously not paid attention to the technology boom that occurred/is occurring. Claims like johns "life evolving to less complex organisms" are completely unfounded and go against every observation of evolution ever made.

The doomsdayers beliefs and assumptions that humanity is en route to total destruction in the near future are also founded on little more than what seems like a subconscious hope, death anxiety for the entire species.
Probably got sold on a global warming video by Al Gore as to the 'horrors' of the human species.

Also those that claim humanity has gone backwards, and will continue to do so imply that they have gone forward, and are sitting a top the looking tree in amazement of the monkeys whom have not yet figured out how to climb.

How ridiculously egotistical.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: hTx]
    #18937301 - 10/05/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The insurgence of technology against humanities flawed form
Has already begun, and begun a long time ago; be it pacemakers,
Plastic hips, or prosthetic limbs such as wooden legs, hooked hands,
or even hearing aids. Humans have already began Implementing their
technology as a rapid evolutionary bypass mechanism. Should we survive
on, then the efficacy of our self-limitation limitation will grow more
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Re: Deities in the making [Re: hTx] * 1
    #18937339 - 10/05/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Thanks and I'd be very surprised if it happens at all or happens soon. But hey I've been surprised before. Just not often.



You really like to toot your own horn huh?





Get over it.  I was saying that sometimes I'm dead wrong.  With you it's all personalisms and no substance.  How about sticking to the subject?


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Icelander]
    #18937519 - 10/05/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think there's any direction to go except trans-human, assuming we don't return ourselves to the stone age. But will we become divine? If we're not there already I don't think we ever will be. :haha:

All just empty desire.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Rahz]
    #18937527 - 10/05/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

something like that.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18937552 - 10/05/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Sounds like you were in an ongoing vulnerable state of mind. This is when I am prone to such experiences, regardless of whether they are pleasant or unpleasant. Without saying we experience them on the same level, you're schizophrenic if I recall correct?

I assume irrational is the keyword.



Yeah I get a bit irrational but this is such an experience that if you trust your own experience, it is valid to say there is far, far more to life than what we wake into.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman]
    #19035808 - 10/26/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There comes a certain time in the evolution of ourselves where we encounter a limit to how much more we can learn about the way we navigate in the natural world. I think its apparent that when we seek to enhance our perception of the world by viewing it through a pair of eyes that do not share any resemblance to the way we observe things, that, by getting behind it from an angle contrary to your normal perception, you may be able to derive a source of artificial intelligence which provides the world with unlimited wisdom, though trading that wisdom for something which resembles a different form of it. Since sometimes we try to prevent ourselves from viewing ourselves as others do, as if we try to ignore the fact that despite trying to make our own advances while disregarding those already made by others more advanced than us, since, indeed, certain humans may reveal a much smarter way of viewing the world.

My wife for instance, she just graduated from Harvard last May. Though she is the kind of person that condemns every single person that comes into contact with her, as if even daring to try and form a bond with her is a direct violation of good conduct. That is precisely why I love my wife though, because she's so modest & humble, so self effacing, never the kind of person you would think is "mean" "base" "despicable", no indeed, nothing of the sort would make you come to that conclusion. She also called my mom last week and played a prank on her, she informed her that she was planning on inviting my brother to a pool party but at the last second before he accepted his invitation as if it was the greatest gift ever bestowed on him, she decided she was going to send it to my sister instead.

My wife also is the kind of woman that looks nothing like any other girl on Earth. She is some sort of sphinx like character who has such a rare beauty that others that try to compare themselves to her automatically see how much beautiful she really is. As if she contains all the beauty in the entire world in her eyes and others wish to extract the source of beauty emitting its wonderful frequency to the world. Indeed, at times we might regard the most beautiful things as precious objects which must be handled with the utmost delicacy, and being the most noble person in the entire world, never for a moment considering that anyone else could possibly be as saint like as myself, since indeed I've been attending church daily for years on end and no longer hesitate to label everyone else as heathens who only could wish to be as virtuous as me.


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