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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Beside the Garden] * 1
    #18893111 - 09/26/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks and I'd be very surprised if it happens at all or happens soon. But hey I've been surprised before. Just not often.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #18893255 - 09/26/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Man effectively stopped evolving to match his environment the moment we invented fire.  Technological advancement has replaced physical evolution already;  because of modern medicine, people who by natural rights should never have survived childhood now grow old enough to pass on their genes.  Survival of the "fittest" in the natural sense no longer applies.

I don't view it as a bad thing though.  I have high hopes for the future melding of man and machine.  I hope I live long enough to take part in the inevitable revolution against death, and to see the colonization of other planets. 

Don't laugh too hard.  I am 33 now... already many advances are being made to increase the human lifespan and combat age related diseases.  Google just launched "Calico", a company specifically dedicated to solving the problem of human aging.  By the time I am 70, I fully expect medicine and technology to be available which will allow me to live an active, healthy life to 110+. By the time I am 110, I expect technology to allow me to live to 150 and to begin to convert my flesh body into machine.

It is very possible that the first humans to live forever are alive today.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman] * 1
    #18893312 - 09/26/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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tribesman said:
Surely once evolution reaches an indeterminate point;
we, or whatever form humanity has evolved into will more closely
resemble divine beings.





Why?  Bacteria seem to do pretty well for themselves, and require far less elaborate care and support.  What makes you think even more complicated organisms will be produced as evolution progresses rather than less?


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Schmendrick]
    #18893331 - 09/26/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Schmendrick said:
Man effectively stopped evolving to match his environment the moment we invented fire.  Technological advancement has replaced physical evolution already.  Because of modern medicine, people who by natural rights should never have survived childhood now grow old enough to pass on their genes.  Survival of the "fittest" in the natural sense no longer applies.

I don't view it as a bad thing though.  I have high hopes for the future melding of man and machine.  I hope I live long enough to take part in the inevitable revolution against death, and to see the colonization of other planets. 

Don't laugh too hard.  I am 33 now... already many advances are being made to increase the human lifespan and combat age related diseases.  Google just launched "Calico", a company specifically dedicated to solving the problem of human aging.  By the time I am 70, I fully expect medicine and technology to be available which will allow me to live an active, healthy life to 110+. By the time I am 110, I expect technology to allow me to live to 150 and to begin to convert my flesh body into machine.

It is very possible that the first humans to live forever are alive today.





Ah, the revolution against death is it.  Well it won't be won and those striving for it will face an even more ugly internal existence if that's possible.  Death Anxiety for the win. 

I think you're backing the wrong horse friend but that may be your fate. :satansmoking:


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Icelander]
    #18893353 - 09/26/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Death Anxiety for the win. 




Death anxiety is the only anxiety worth having.  All other problems in one's life can be resolved/dealt with through time and patience, but death is eternal.

Still, I have no real anxiety over death... I simply wish to avoid it if at all possible.  If it gets me in the end, well... I won't really care, will I? :smirk:


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: tribesman]
    #18893566 - 09/26/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Technology can act as a shield protecting us from circumstances that
We are not evolved to survive, though there is a possibility that our technology
Could contribute to a stagnation in our evolution.




Agreed. It could also result in genetic enhancement or self extinction. Hard to say how technology will affect the future.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Schmendrick]
    #18893583 - 09/26/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Schmendrick said:
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Death Anxiety for the win. 




Death anxiety is the only anxiety worth having.  All other problems in one's life can be resolved/dealt with through time and patience, but death is eternal.

Still, I have no real anxiety over death... I simply wish to avoid it if at all possible.  If it gets me in the end, well... I won't really care, will I? :smirk:




I'm not buying.  I will suggest a read on the subject however as you seem a pretty upright dude.  "Denial of Death by Ernest Becker."


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Icelander]
    #18893628 - 09/26/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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Schmendrick said:
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Death Anxiety for the win. 




Death anxiety is the only anxiety worth having.  All other problems in one's life can be resolved/dealt with through time and patience, but death is eternal.

Still, I have no real anxiety over death... I simply wish to avoid it if at all possible.  If it gets me in the end, well... I won't really care, will I? :smirk:




I'm not buying.  I will suggest a read on the subject however as you seem a pretty upright dude.  "Denial of Death by Ernest Becker."




I have only read one book in my life, and that is the  GOOD BOOK!  THE HOLY MOTHAFUCKIN BIBLE!!!

Just kidding.  I am always up for a good read; I will check it out.  Thanks for the reference.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Schmendrick]
    #18894156 - 09/26/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Schmendrick said:
Quote:

Death Anxiety for the win. 



Still, I have no real anxiety over death... I simply wish to avoid it if at all possible.  If it gets me in the end, well... I won't really care, will I? :smirk:



Isn't physical pain a factor within death anxiety or the very fear of death? Certainly, physical pain is what we connect both to and with death.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18894259 - 09/26/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

We're already divine. We inhabit the body.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: circastes]
    #18894305 - 09/26/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That is your illogical side.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Schmendrick]
    #18894343 - 09/26/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Schmendrick said:

It is very possible that the first humans to live forever are alive today.



This.

I think it's 100% true, science can't be far behind. I don't think it will be man-machine melding though, it will just be a medicine or something. They've been making advances, I remember hearing about it on the radio news.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18894354 - 09/26/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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That is your illogical side.



But my out of body experiences were as much a part of my life as typing this. Obviously there are other forms of us.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: circastes]
    #18894393 - 09/26/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have also had strange things happen in my life but it's not that weird based on the delusional society I have grown up in. Also, my fear of experiencing physical pain and going insane.

Would you not say this trigger delusions?


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Schmendrick]
    #18894402 - 09/26/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Dood by the look of your ratings you're building a solid rep.  :thumbup:  I think your posts are pretty fucking goddamn awesome myself. :thumbup::satansmoking:  I hope you stick around and kick some ass over here.  :manofapproval:


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: johnm214]
    #18894479 - 09/26/13 03:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
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tribesman said:
Surely once evolution reaches an indeterminate point;
we, or whatever form humanity has evolved into will more closely
resemble divine beings.





Why?  Bacteria seem to do pretty well for themselves, and require far less elaborate care and support.  What makes you think even more complicated organisms will be produced as evolution progresses rather than less?





I understand that evolution doesn't have a plan, a consistent drive, or a
Predictable trajectory. This being said; organisms if given room to spread their
Metaphorical wings, tend to thrive and diversify. It could be argued that even
Though bacteria still earn a good living, life went on and evolved other organisms.

I see evolution now like a drop of water working it's way through the cracks in the bedrock, trying to reach the lowest point. With each time downward momentum being halted as a stagnation that yields a transformation, or a niche for a more suitable candidate to continue the downward journey.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18895553 - 09/26/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I have also had strange things happen in my life but it's not that weird based on the delusional society I have grown up in. Also, my fear of experiencing physical pain and going insane.

Would you not say this trigger delusions?



I mean they were more real than my present experience, certainly more meaningful. They were more likely to be reality than this.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: circastes]
    #18897353 - 09/27/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like you were in an ongoing vulnerable state of mind. This is when I am prone to such experiences, regardless of whether they are pleasant or unpleasant. Without saying we experience them on the same level, you're schizophrenic if I recall correct?

I assume irrational is the keyword.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: liquidlounge]
    #18934467 - 10/05/13 02:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i think our evolution is going the wrong way. we as human beings are not progressing, we are doing the opposite of that imo.


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Re: Deities in the making [Re: Schmendrick]
    #18935732 - 10/05/13 11:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have a couple of things to say here

The physiology of the human body is understood pretty in depth (correct me if I am wrong)
But after experimenting with drugs for a while and eventually realizing it was a waste of time, I came to a realization; There is no real "cheat" code in life. Your body is built on a delicate biochemical system that's goal is to maintain homeostasis. If you take a pill of ampheatmine, you will be focused. You will feel great. But eventually you will crash and experinece a low that is the exact proportion by which your high was. So amphetamines can be very useful if you need to finish a biology paper by tomorrow morning. But in the long term, it is not a very sustainable method to increase productivity

The same idea goes for psychedelics, opiates, MDMA, modafinil, alcohol, benzodiazepines, and caffiene. Every reaction in the body where you push it past homeostasis in one direction has a limit and it will slingshot backwards

That being said, people think they can "cheat" to be happy (MDMA, alc, opiates, cocaine), be more productive (caffeine, nicotine, amphetamines), cheat to grow muscle (creatine), and cheat to live longer (modern medicine). But at the end of the day, there is a cap on how far we can push our bodies

The human brain is something that is far misunderstood. And at the end of the day, you can save my body, but I highly doubt that a machine could replace my brain. If I am wrong, I will be glad to admit my defeat, and impressed with the robot or computer that could mimic my complex behavior. But until then, I will assume that my brain can't be replaced

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Man effectively stopped evolving to match his environment the moment we invented fire.  Technological advancement has replaced physical evolution already;  because of modern medicine, people who by natural rights should never have survived childhood now grow old enough to pass on their genes.  Survival of the "fittest" in the natural sense no longer applies.

I don't view it as a bad thing though.  I have high hopes for the future melding of man and machine.  I hope I live long enough to take part in the inevitable revolution against death, and to see the colonization of other planets. 

Don't laugh too hard.  I am 33 now... already many advances are being made to increase the human lifespan and combat age related diseases.  Google just launched "Calico", a company specifically dedicated to solving the problem of human aging.  By the time I am 70, I fully expect medicine and technology to be available which will allow me to live an active, healthy life to 110+. By the time I am 110, I expect technology to allow me to live to 150 and to begin to convert my flesh body into machine.

It is very possible that the first humans to live forever are alive today.




While you ring up an interesting point, I think that there is no real purpose to living longer. Once again, look at the post above me. There are very few cheat methods. I think if you were super healthy all day everyay, I think you could live till 110. But to try and "cheat" biology, I dont think you would be enjoying your life at all


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