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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Nova]
#18887873 - 09/25/13 04:54 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nova said: Force a generation of frustrated post 2008 youths who have been denied a future to pay what little wealth/income they have into a new never to be claimed pit (like social security)?
Can't wait to see how this turns out.
Says who? If you're younger than 26 and unmarried, you can stay on your parent's plan. What you'r saying is just rumor, AFAIK.
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Le_Canard] 2
#18887878 - 09/25/13 04:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck having an insurance company decide if I'm covered or not
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
#18887879 - 09/25/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't have to have insurance if you make under a certain amount. Otherwise you have to or you get fined as stated above.
You don't buy the insurance from the government, but from private insurance companies just like car insurance.
If you buy insurance, then you don't pay a thing to the government. You pay to the insurance company. If you get insurance through your work then you're already covered and don't need to do anything.
The ER still has to treat you whether or not you have insurance.
I agree that the requirement that you have to have insurance is absolutely stupid and complete bullshit and should never have been passed, but the law also requires insurance companies to cover people with preexisting conditions. Previously, you could be rejected for fucking anything (and I mean anything). Now if you apply they have to take you. So, I agree with the part of the law that requires insurance companies to accept people with preexisting conditions.
Edited by nooneman (09/25/13 05:01 AM)
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: nooneman]
#18887884 - 09/25/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't mind NHS. Medical bills here is just something you don't have to worry about. Though being government funded it's logistics are shit but if you want amazing speed and care you can go private. No family is going to get fucked for bills though
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Le_Canard]
#18887892 - 09/25/13 05:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: If you're younger than 26 and unmarried, you can stay on your parent's plan.
If you're no longer covered by a parent's plan because that plan only extended coverage until the age of 21 or the date of graduation as a full-time student, can you now get back on that parent's plan until the age of 26? I would guess not (or maybe it depends on the insurance provider), but I really hope that's an option.
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: MorphinTime]
#18887894 - 09/25/13 05:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's the way I read it, yes.
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Le_Canard]
#18887951 - 09/25/13 06:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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After all expenses I still wont be able to pay for this shit, its bull shit.
What if you don't pay the 100 or 1%? Cuz I'm not fuck em I didn't vote for this shit.
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: dark3st]
#18887957 - 09/25/13 06:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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dark3st said: After all expenses I still wont be able to pay for this shit, its bull shit.
What if you don't pay the 100 or 1%? Cuz I'm not fuck em I didn't vote for this shit.
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Fire is Born]
#18887965 - 09/25/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pedos are not the reasion for this bill nor is bombing children, both I have no issue with(because of legitimate logic. Forcing me to pay for insurance is BS ontop of the attempt of gun laws.
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: dark3st]
#18887967 - 09/25/13 06:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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dark3st said:
What if you don't pay the 100 or 1%?
I'm guessing it'll be taken from your taxes, but that's complete speculation. In the end, you'll probably have either the IRS or a collections agency coming after you.
I think part of the logic is that since an ER is forced to treat you, you should be forced to pay.
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: dark3st]
#18887978 - 09/25/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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dark3st said: Pedos are not the reasion for this bill nor is bombing children, both I have no issue with(because of legitimate logic. Forcing me to pay for insurance is BS ontop of the attempt of gun laws.
My point was you don't get to pick and choose what legislation you abide by and what you don't. ...not without consequences
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: Fire is Born]
#18887987 - 09/25/13 06:19 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ahh ok I see. Its still BS
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: dark3st]
#18888032 - 09/25/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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how many things are they going to force us to do?.. jeezus, so much mandatory these days. its everywhere, in the interwebs too. you know who you are, google!
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: zZZz]
#18888102 - 09/25/13 07:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dawg don't say shit about Google, its nearly as bad as threatening the Obama.
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: dark3st]
#18888125 - 09/25/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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fuck google,
yahoo l33t represent!
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: zZZz]
#18888131 - 09/25/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: dark3st]
#18888137 - 09/25/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: zZZz]
#18888142 - 09/25/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: starfire_xes] 2
#18888154 - 09/25/13 07:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Cmon all you healthy 20 year olds. They are counting on you to go out and pay through the nose for coverage you don't needd to make Obamacare work. 
That is, pay for insurance that you will never use.
You are deluded.
Young people not getting health insurance is dumb, its antisocial and its irresponsible.
Its antisocial because we all must do our share to take care of the ill among us. In that Obama is right and he shares this point of view with, oh say, almost the entire rest of the world. Humans take care of their own, we have for hundreds of thousands of years and it sets us apart from the animals.
Then, its dumb. Healthy 20yo's get in situations that lead to enormous medical expenses ALL THE TIME. Especially when they are incvolved with drugs. Someone here on the site got a freakish dental disease leading to $20,000 in dentist bills. The frickin DENTIST! "it wont happen to me" is what got us in this economic crisis to begin with. Theres no such thing as Too Big To Fail or Too Healthy To Be Insured. Thats head-in-the-sand type of thinking.
Lastly its irresponsible. Its irresponsible to incite our young people, who often arent quite affluent, to not insure themselves by giving them a false sense of security. A good number of those who follow your advice will get large medical bills that may dampen their financial independence or bankrupt them, and its irresponsible towards society for talking them out of the solidarity principle.
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Re: Did You Get Your Ass Down To the Exchange And Get Insurance? [Re: dark3st]
#18888163 - 09/25/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm conflicted on the shit because the only part of the bill I agree with is preexisting conditions being covered, however I only feel this way if coverage has been in place since before the conditions were found. My wife and I own 2 businesses, and are still on her cobra from work that we spend $1100 a month for, however because she is bi-polar, and also has possible cervical cancer (we are waiting on lab results) no insurance company will write us a family policy with her on it, and I understand as a business owner why. We've been paying our insurance all along, this isn't a case of I got sick now let me go buy insurance, since we can't convert her work group policy we have to go with a new company because our current insurance carrier is from out of state and they don't do individual policies for out of state families and we cant get a policy which is bullshit and we are losing our coverage do to company policy.
I agree no one should be forced to buy shit and I think Obama care as a whole just will cost too much in the end and fail, but should a family that has been paying their premiums for six years, and is now losing their coverage due to company policy be forced to lose all chance of getting coverage because of prexisting conditions? that shit isn't right either. Insurance is insurance you are supposed to have it before something happens which we do, but because of circumstances beyond our control we are losing it and may not be able to get new coverage because of preexisting conditions I personally think Obama care is a slush fund we won't know the effectiveness or failure of it for years, I hope it doesn't fail too bad, my wife's life may depend on it and I wish I made enough I could just pay it all in cash.
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