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Anonymous #1

Nobody likes you when you're 23.
    #18887365 - 09/24/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Broke, unemployed, single, and another year older without a single God damn thing to show for it (besides a useless STEM degree I was told would be worth something).  Moved home after graduating to look for work and it's a lot harder than I thought.

PLUS MY FUCKING SPORES AREN'T GERMINATING ON AGAR OR GRAINS, FUCK

I guess when I wake up I'm going to do the same old.  I have a meeting with a job counselor at 10:00.  I'll pop some Addy, call around asking about jobs, put in a few applications for some minimum wage work to at least get some money in my pocket, and maybe see if I can swing a liter of cheap gin and play some Battlefield.

Fuck - my loans are coming due soon, I'm still paying off a DUI I got last year ($400 left), and it's been so long since I've been in my hometown that I don't know anyone.  Gonna head back to where I went to school for the weekend to blow off some steam and hopefully get some molly and see some friends, but God damn, life is not going how I imagined it would be after graduating high school four years ago.  If only I realized that college was a time I should be more worried about studying and working hard instead of partying and chasing tail.  I got all the time in the world for that now, but no money for such activities.  Weak.

Sorry for my rant.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
    #18887419 - 09/24/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Life is never how we imagine it.  That is why we establish goals and make plans.
Hang in there.  You're only 23.  You'll be 10 years older before you know it.  So make plans and get to work now.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: azur] * 3
    #18887428 - 09/24/13 11:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I turned 30 this year. I feel like I was 23 last week.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: dirty] * 1
    #18887432 - 09/25/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I'm almost 34.  God, where did 23 go?  I still have fun though.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: dirty] * 3
    #18887439 - 09/25/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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azur said:
Hang in there.  You're only 23.  You'll be 10 years older before you know it. 



Quote:

dirty said:
I turned 30 this year. I feel like I was 23 last week.




FUCK


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18887445 - 09/25/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

FUCK is right bro.  Don't waste your time on a minimum wage job. Move to a city with opportunity. Do construction work until you figure out what you want, as it will pay infinitely better than a minimum wage job.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: azur]
    #18887475 - 09/25/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

As someone who lives almost in the city, this is not where you want to be working a minimum wage job at unless its something with tips.  More ass holes, more of a rush means stricter bosses.  Just not the place to be depressed and lazy.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: LethargicBeing] * 3
    #18887571 - 09/25/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

What you're looking for in life is more like a state of mind than a job or memories. Just sayin'. I mean I would think my life is totally shot if I didn't realise what I was looking for was just me, I guess it's spiritual realization or enlightenment to see this... it feels fucking great, like, it's what we're all after.

After that you just don't care about the system. You use it and abuse it and if it doesn't work so what, you're where you want to be.

We're all just looking for our Self, God.

You're doing fine.

By the way my brother is 32 and he still gets really embarrassed about masturbating, like an adolescent would. It really hurts me to see it, but yeah there you go. We don't know if he's intellectually handicapped or not but he has been a bit psychotic.

Take a look around. Really. There's a lot of really average intelligence, average personality people with fuck all really and they don't really care either, because no one really cares. Don't be too hard on yourself.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18887748 - 09/25/13 03:11 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, you're still quite young. Hang in there and keep trying. Eventually you'll find success.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Le_Canard]
    #18889841 - 09/25/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Join the military!


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: unknown1123]
    #18889872 - 09/25/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I would like to but my record won't allow it.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18890010 - 09/25/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

whats on your record?


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18890137 - 09/25/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

get work in the countryside
fuck the city


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: i like cow poo]
    #18890313 - 09/25/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I found a job this week after months of searching 12.50 a hour (not great) and 40 hours a week (not bad). All I can say is keep trying eventually you will find a job. Don't give up man.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Psilopsychosis]
    #18890378 - 09/25/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

500 a week before taxes in some warehouse. Not bad!


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: unknown1123]
    #18890503 - 09/25/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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unknown1123 said:
whats on your record?




Multiple paraphernalia/possession of cannabis, underage drinking, disorderly conduct/resisting arrest, and a DUI.

I was young and dumb and now not only is it hurting me looking for a job, but I can't even fall back on the Armed Forces.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18890526 - 09/25/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Dude, fuck the military.  There's already enough government tit suckers out there.  Pick yourself off the floor and do something with your life.  Your choice.  Simple as that.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18890549 - 09/25/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i am 25 soon and in the same boat. best advice i got is try to hope that its going to get better. that's what im trying to do, anyway.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: 404]
    #18890559 - 09/25/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Anything is attainable!  You have to work your ass off though guys.  Nobody likes it, but if you want a good life, it requires work.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: azur]
    #18890576 - 09/25/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i love working hard, its finding work thats the hardest part.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: azur]
    #18890578 - 09/25/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I was just offered a job today after not having a real career since I was laid off a year and a half ago. I'm making $12.92/hr with a 15% differential for all hours worked after 4pm (that's $14.86/hr). I'm 35 and this will be my first 'office' job; fuck it I'm tired of doing manual labor and slaving away in kitchens. I get paid for any holiday that falls on my day off with 1 & 1/2 times the pay. If I actually work on the holiday I get 2 & 1/2 times the pay per hour. There's also quarterly incentive bonuses with the potential to make up to $20k extra per year; and for everyday I work, I start accruing paid time off (between 18-33 days a year). And I don't have a college degree.

Fuck it, work for the devil (BANKS) and just drink the Kool-aid bro. Live comfortably, live smart.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: GOATOAD]
    #18890592 - 09/25/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Indeed, it is tough out there.  It costs me about $6000. a month to keep my shop operating and some months I scratch my head and wonder what I'm doing.
I can tell you this though, you won't find work on the internet. Go out and see people working and ask them for work and their phone number.  Call them everyday, showing that you want to work.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: azur]
    #18890670 - 09/25/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I think azur is the man to listen to, especially since this is specific to America. I was just trying to put it in perspective. I went through a similar "OH FUCK" phase when I was about 23. You're not being left behind, what you're really looking for is in consciousness. I know that sounds kind of New Age or hippy or even just stupid but if you get your mind right, your life will seem faaaaaar more interesting.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: circastes]
    #18890697 - 09/25/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When I was 23 I lived in Tampa. I had sex with sooo many 30+girls with wicked fakies.  Oh man. Don't complain guys.  I'd love to be 23 again.
Like circastes said, get your head right.  Go for a walk, breathe in the air, and figure out what you want.  Then go get it!


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: GOATOAD]
    #18890832 - 09/25/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

live off the grid ftw!:canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: azur]
    #18891078 - 09/25/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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azur said:
When I was 23 I lived in Tampa. I had sex with sooo many 30+girls with wicked fakies.  Oh man. Don't complain guys.  I'd love to be 23 again.
Like circastes said, get your head right.  Go for a walk, breathe in the air, and figure out what you want.  Then go get it!





Hahahaha!! When I was 23 I lived in Tampa also.. USF!! Ybor city both stole my dreams and made them come true :wink:

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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: GOATOAD]
    #18891094 - 09/25/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Sweet.  At 22 I lived in Charleston sc, and whatever sexual morals I didn't destroy there I finished up in Tampa.  I love Tampa. Ybor is a lot of fun, but I lived in Hyde park so I mostly hung out in south tampa.  My pad was a block and a half away from Bayshore Blvd. One day I was skateboarding and was waiting to cross the street.  So was this hot little Cuban girl.  We started talking as we crossed the street. Before we even made it to the sidewalk, she told me to go home with her.  I gave her a strange look and she said, "are you scared?". I took her home and fucked her dizzy


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18900424 - 09/27/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Broke, unemployed, single, and another year older without a single God damn thing to show for it (besides a useless STEM degree I was told would be worth something).  Moved home after graduating to look for work and it's a lot harder than I thought.

PLUS MY FUCKING SPORES AREN'T GERMINATING ON AGAR OR GRAINS, FUCK

I guess when I wake up I'm going to do the same old.  I have a meeting with a job counselor at 10:00.  I'll pop some Addy, call around asking about jobs, put in a few applications for some minimum wage work to at least get some money in my pocket, and maybe see if I can swing a liter of cheap gin and play some Battlefield.

Fuck - my loans are coming due soon, I'm still paying off a DUI I got last year ($400 left), and it's been so long since I've been in my hometown that I don't know anyone.  Gonna head back to where I went to school for the weekend to blow off some steam and hopefully get some molly and see some friends, but God damn, life is not going how I imagined it would be after graduating high school four years ago.  If only I realized that college was a time I should be more worried about studying and working hard instead of partying and chasing tail.  I got all the time in the world for that now, but no money for such activities.  Weak.

Sorry for my rant.




Im confused, now you are in the real world and its time to buckle down. Im surprised you arent HAPPY you enjoyed your college years. You got your degree didnt you?


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Almond Flour]
    #18903367 - 09/28/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

23 is a strange year.  Too old for the 18 year olds, too young for most other chicks.  No real money.  Limited skills.  Take the time to make contacts, work hard, and learn how to be an adult.  It will pay off.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: All We Perceive]
    #18903430 - 09/28/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18906411 - 09/29/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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and maybe see if I can swing a liter of cheap gin and play some Battlefield.



OP, please stop being a nigger. I am telling you this because I was doing much of the same crap at 23 (minus the alcohol, that's obviously retarded) and hopefully you'll wise up.

Have free time? Go hit a freelancing site. See what skills you have, that you can turn into some new cash. Or hit the job ad sites, see what's out there, get your resume improved, get your skills in order, invest in yourself. There's 10 other guys doing that right now, and in 10 years you'll end up lounging with them, or hiring them, or working for them taking their orders, complaining how much smarter you are than your boss and how life just isn't fair boo hoo.



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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Spacerific]
    #18909765 - 09/30/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Is 23/25 really too old for 18 year olds? I've had some 18 year olds interested in me. Do you mean the mental age gap would be too much to handle, or it's not culturally acceptable? Baring in mind I'm in Australia (aka. FUKKAN STRAYA)


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: circastes]
    #18909772 - 09/30/13 02:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just turned 23


and I can't tell if this thread gives me hope, or if it takes it away from me.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: GOATOAD]
    #18919703 - 10/02/13 06:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I was just offered a job today after not having a real career since I was laid off a year and a half ago. I'm making $12.92/hr with a 15% differential for all hours worked after 4pm (that's $14.86/hr). I'm 35 and this will be my first 'office' job; fuck it I'm tired of doing manual labor and slaving away in kitchens. I get paid for any holiday that falls on my day off with 1 & 1/2 times the pay. If I actually work on the holiday I get 2 & 1/2 times the pay per hour. There's also quarterly incentive bonuses with the potential to make up to $20k extra per year; and for everyday I work, I start accruing paid time off (between 18-33 days a year). And I don't have a college degree.

Fuck it, work for the devil (BANKS) and just drink the Kool-aid bro. Live comfortably, live smart.



That's awesome but they do random drug testing, better not smoke until they've given you one


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: circastes]
    #18919765 - 10/02/13 06:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Is 23/25 really too old for 18 year olds? I've had some 18 year olds interested in me. Do you mean the mental age gap would be too much to handle, or it's not culturally acceptable? Baring in mind I'm in Australia (aka. FUKKAN STRAYA)



What mental gap are you talking about mate? What sort of question is this to even be asking?

You don't say no to 18yo pussy, without some seriously good reasons and an extensive note from your physician. If 18yo girls show interest in you, you pursue that stuff or you'll regret it later. Who cares if it's culturally acceptable? To some it's not. They may be envious and gossip about you. You know what that's going to lead to? Nothing. Nobody cares.

Also, awesome studies have shown that having younger girls in your life does fill you with more energy, vitality, you feel more useful because you get to teach them stuff they've never had time to learn about, you share some of that life experience, everybody is happy. I don't have links on hand, but people actually looked into this, who people marry for their second marriage, age differences and so on. Guys with a young new partner were happier than dudes with a new partner of similar age, more engaged with life and also lived several years longer on average.

Date young stuff and look to marry young stuff, as much as you can. Leave the chicks your age for guys 10-20 years older.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Konyap]
    #18921123 - 10/02/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

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I was just offered a job today after not having a real career since I was laid off a year and a half ago. I'm making $12.92/hr with a 15% differential for all hours worked after 4pm (that's $14.86/hr). I'm 35 and this will be my first 'office' job; fuck it I'm tired of doing manual labor and slaving away in kitchens. I get paid for any holiday that falls on my day off with 1 & 1/2 times the pay. If I actually work on the holiday I get 2 & 1/2 times the pay per hour. There's also quarterly incentive bonuses with the potential to make up to $20k extra per year; and for everyday I work, I start accruing paid time off (between 18-33 days a year). And I don't have a college degree.

Fuck it, work for the devil (BANKS) and just drink the Kool-aid bro. Live comfortably, live smart.



That's awesome but they do random drug testing, better not smoke until they've given you one





NO actually, they don't drug test what so ever. Dress code is casual - no pj's, no flip flops. Everything else goes. I start Monday.. so fucking stoked to actually have a career path again after getting laid off a year and a half ago.
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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: GOATOAD]
    #18921291 - 10/02/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I saw Banks and immediately thought federal stuff

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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Konyap]
    #18921353 - 10/02/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I saw Banks and immediately thought federal stuff

my bad




You DO have to jump through some loops to complete the hiring process, but I think its mostly to make sure you're not a complete fucking idiot and can handle assigned tasks in a timely fashion. Before employment they take your fingerprints and run them through a national FBI database, and complete a fairly thorough criminal background check (which I have to admit I was nervous about, as I don't have the cleanest record). Everything came back without a hitch. Once I get through training, I'll be making $14.86/hr. Not too shabby!


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    #18926103 - 10/03/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Dude, fuck the military.  There's already enough government tit suckers out there.  Pick yourself off the floor and do something with your life.  Your choice.  Simple as that.




So the military is government tit suckers? So are you trying to say that people in the military don't work for there money? Because if you are that is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard.

Also OP you are complaining of being broke and not having a job and a bunch of other things......yet you are going to blow off steam by getting a bunch of molly and getting messed up. Instead of getting high how about you go find a job and stop whining about things that you can fix if you weren't on a message board complaining and not doing anything.


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    #18929374 - 10/04/13 02:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Im confused, now you are in the real world and its time to buckle down. Im surprised you arent HAPPY you enjoyed your college years. You got your degree didnt you?




I got my degree.  What is it worth?  Apparently, from the lack of employers contacting me after applying/contacting them, it doesn't mean much though.


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    #18929393 - 10/04/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Keep trying. Eventually you will get one.


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    #18929605 - 10/04/13 03:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I predicted that the job market would be difficult long before I graduated, so I completed several internships and gained a lot of real work experience, and started looking for a job 6 months BEFORE I was set to graduate. I ended up landing a corporate career job before I even graduated.

OP, are you still having difficulty even with previous work experience or internships? A lot of college students make the mistake of not working at all and then expecting a job immediately after completing 4 years of study.

People are right though, 23 is still young, you can still be forgiven for long periods of unemployment. My suggestion is, if you aren't already doing this, is to maybe go to a temp agency or a job placement agency or a job center in your area. In the mean time, do whatever you can to make ends meet. Sell your body if you have to (lol).



As for the military, to be quite frank, if you are a person that loves drugs, chances are after a certain number of years it's possible you will get caught, with the random room and vehicle searches and drug tests that they do, and you will get dishonorably discharged just like that. So all that time you put in the military would be useless, and wouldn't even be worth putting on a resume at that point.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18929638 - 10/04/13 04:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. I made it through the military but only by the skin of my teeth. If you can't control yourself then I wouldn't risk enlisting. However if you can, you will get a whole lot out of it. That is considering if the politicians don't bring the economy to shit.


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    #18929651 - 10/04/13 04:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ever seen Invisible War, Lordsenate?


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    #18929665 - 10/04/13 04:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't believe so.


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    #18929668 - 10/04/13 04:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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ever seen Invisible War, Lordsenate?




I saw that recently. From what I've been told by people in the military, they are required to see it every year, and I swear to god,  they told me that ALL the shit that happens in the documentary is real shit that happens in the military all the fucking time. This guy was telling me that this soldier raped his wife while he was deployed in Iraq, and he was (of course) never prosecuted when she filed a report, even though he had a recorded history of having raped 5 other women in the unit. Nothing happened to this guy, except all sorts of political bullshit trying to protect him and dismiss the rape. He is still in the air force and probably got promoted to sergeant by now.

FUCK THE MILITARY.

As one of my best friends in the marine corps so eloquently put it, "Imagine THE DUMBEST GUY YOU'VE EVER MET being in charge of you 24 hours a day. THAT is what being in the marine corps is like." :lol:


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    #18929670 - 10/04/13 04:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't believe so.




You should watch it. It's actually a great documentary, and it's available on Netflix. I stumbled across it by accident while browsing Netflix, thought "Hey this looks interesting" because I had never heard of the documentary before, and I was blown away by what I saw.

It's not one of those documentaries that's boring at all either, it kept me completely captivated the whole time.


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    #18929679 - 10/04/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yep. it is great. shows that some people are there to serve their country or do their job, and some odd faggots are their to simple fuck around and fuck shit up. THOSE idiots are assholes.


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    #18929695 - 10/04/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yep. it is great. shows that some people are there to serve their country or do their job, and some odd faggots are their to simple fuck around and fuck shit up. THOSE idiots are assholes.




I used to party at the barracks all the time when I was a teenager, man. TBH, having known marines all my life, and living right by a military base, I have a pretty bad opinion of your average serviceman. The majority of them exhibit low consciousness, are not particularly intelligent, are heavy drinkers and sex addicts, are quick to physically attack people over minor conflicts, tend to be cheaters, and have low morals.

This normally wouldn't bother me (I mean, a lot of people would say the same thing about me) except for the fact that a lot of people really look up to and respect the military, but really have no idea how a lot of servicemen act behind closed doors. They remind me more of belligerent frat boys than anything. They are worse than the crooked cop.

The second I meet a guy and he tells me he's in the military, for some reason I automatically feel like I can't trust this guy.

Don't get me wrong, I have tons of military friends, but the ones that I actually respect are the ones that do not act like your typical military man. They think and act more like scholars and tend to be very cynical of the military, rather than your typical "OOO-RAHHH!!" patriots.


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    #18929701 - 10/04/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you tend to find that there are a lot more people that don't know why they are doing things, then people who do. that's how you get the fratboy mentality of most servicemen who are just "There to fight for their country".

usually if someone's got more on the line at stake, they'll tend to behave more, but still, the kind of people you find in the army are generally then same kind of people you'd find elsewhere.

this isn't the draft anymore, and this certainly ain't war time, (not REALLY :archiebunker: ) so you won't see any that so-called "common bond against a common enemy" type thing right about now. nope, it's just a jerb!


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    #18929733 - 10/04/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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you tend to find that there are a lot more people that don't know why they are doing things, then people who do. that's how you get the fratboy mentality of most servicemen who are just "There to fight for their country".

usually if someone's got more on the line at stake, they'll tend to behave more, but still, the kind of people you find in the army are generally then same kind of people you'd find elsewhere.

this isn't the draft anymore, and this certainly ain't war time, (not REALLY :archiebunker: ) so you won't see any that so-called "common bond against a common enemy" type thing right about now. nope, it's just a jerb!




I think what bothers me is the fact that they are EXTREMELY conservative, and therefore judgmental about other people who act in a similar fashion. Despite the fact that their conservatism is often paralleled with binge drinking, spousal abuse, bar fights, one-night stands with prostitutes, and extramarital affairs, they actually have the audacity to go and then criticize other people (particularly women) for even minor things, such as wearing short shorts.

No shit, I remember reading an article on a military website about a mother who was kicked out from the chow hall for nursing in public, and the comments from the servicemen on that article really made me want to vomit. 90 percent of the comments were servicemen talking about her like how she was a trashy stripper letting everybody get a peek at her boobs, that she should be ashamed, and this was a place where people EAT. I bet you anything all those guys talking all that trash go to the strip clubs every weekend weekend with their platoon buddies to cheat on their girlfriends.

Yea, it just bothers me, because most marines are from Texas and are therefore religious and conservative, yet they have low moral character and are paradoxically at the same time EXTREMELY judgmental about other people's lifestyles. Like, they will call you a piece of shit if they find out you take drugs, yet assaulting random people who piss you off is completely okay in their eyes?

I don't know man, just the whole military culture, it's got a completely warped sense of perspective of morality. What they consider right and wrong, it's just not becoming of them at all... That movie Invisible War just reinforced my belief about what military culture is truly like.  I just don't think that people should blindly respect military servicemen. I think a lot of people wouldn't if they really knew how a lot of them behave outside of the uniform.

Sorry for my rant, I guess blind patriotism without questioning anything and looking deeper into the problems just really bothers me.


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    #18929775 - 10/04/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, i prefer to see prove of the persons honor first, before decided whether to trust them or not. i'd say the military has a warped sense of honor, and those people who can not have that "warped sense" effect THEIR honor, i believe that they can turn in and do their duty, whilst not commiserating in the faculty and peers that surround them.

to some people this really is a duty, and to those people i sent my respect, because they truly care, THEY HAVE SOMETHING on the line. those other lot, they just don't know what they're fighting for.

that's why they are like the way they are; and creating problems. of course, even their perception is even gonna be deceitful, not just their actions. they think that it's all a "game", those kinds of people.


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    #18930197 - 10/04/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yep. it is great. shows that some people are there to serve their country or do their job, and some odd faggots are their to simple fuck around and fuck shit up. THOSE idiots are assholes.




I used to party at the barracks all the time when I was a teenager, man. TBH, having known marines all my life, and living right by a military base, I have a pretty bad opinion of your average serviceman. The majority of them exhibit low consciousness, are not particularly intelligent, are heavy drinkers and sex addicts, are quick to physically attack people over minor conflicts, tend to be cheaters, and have low morals.

This normally wouldn't bother me (I mean, a lot of people would say the same thing about me) except for the fact that a lot of people really look up to and respect the military, but really have no idea how a lot of servicemen act behind closed doors. They remind me more of belligerent frat boys than anything. They are worse than the crooked cop.

The second I meet a guy and he tells me he's in the military, for some reason I automatically feel like I can't trust this guy.

Don't get me wrong, I have tons of military friends, but the ones that I actually respect are the ones that do not act like your typical military man. They think and act more like scholars and tend to be very cynical of the military, rather than your typical "OOO-RAHHH!!" patriots.



crystal G talking about morals and shit? Not everyone can go smoke some meth and fist your bf's asshole and still have morals :rolleyes:

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    #18931158 - 10/04/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

dude, you're a fool. stop posting. you ingrate. your posts are never insightful, just trash.

she likes sex, and here i am, i have to explain the obvious to you, because you're so dull...

if you don't like something about someone's sexuality, guess what it's your OWN PROBLEM. nothing your talking about has anything to do with G's morals. you again i say, INGRATE.

oh and she's right. about everything she said, being that it is a valid opinion and being that the shit she said happens, DOES in fact happen. so wtf more do you want from her? oh yeah,... to stop being "so and so" about sex. yeah, you're daft.


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    #18931181 - 10/04/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Make your own luck! :nyan:


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    #18931528 - 10/04/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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crystal G talking about morals and shit? Not everyone can go smoke some meth and fist your bf's asshole and still have morals :rolleyes:

Post a nude if you're going to post.




I'm totally fine with servicemen doing those kind of things. I know a lot of them gangbang hookers and shit, and good for them. It's when they do those things, and then berate and insult people who enjoy gay sex or are pro-choice or like to use drugs recreationally. It's like those politicians who are so against any type of non-conventional, non-marital, non-traditional sex, then go around and are exposed having an affair smoking meth with a gay prostitute. There's nothing wrong with what they did, it's the fact that they shamed other people for having similar indulgences. The way that you act behind closed doors should be the face that you show in public. That's one thing that I will never be.... two-faced. I've always been upfront about what the fuck I am, because society will never change its perspectives on people like me unless we are open and honest about what we do.

Also, yes, I might be sexually open but one thing I will never approve of is sexual assault, spousal assault, or assault on other people. (Which, as discussed earlier, is RAMPANT in the military, and the prime example of some of their warped moral values).


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    #18932006 - 10/04/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't believe so.




You should watch it. It's actually a great documentary, and it's available on Netflix. I stumbled across it by accident while browsing Netflix, thought "Hey this looks interesting" because I had never heard of the documentary before, and I was blown away by what I saw.

It's not one of those documentaries that's boring at all either, it kept me completely captivated the whole time.




I was in the military and they never made us watch that movie. I may watch it one day but at this point in time I rather remain ignorant to these kinds of things or I may start making myself guilty or something.

The military is now cracking down hard on sexual abuse and harassment. A lot of times units would stick up for soldiers that did shit like that, as you pointed out. Now they have independent people that do the investigating and units get slammed if they try and cover up for someone.

It will take a while before it gets under control since apparently it was out of control. However I was in for 4 years and never heard of anything like this.

Also keep in mind that I have been in multiple units and the women were openly sleeping with everyone they could, none of them had been assaulted or abused. I am by no means saying that it doesn't happen though. I am just saying don't collectively look at the whole military this way, because I think they are making it out to be more then what it is. Or perhaps maybe where I was at, it wasn't as bad? I don't know. I do know that I was with a lot of the people in my unit from when we woke up to when we went asleep and they weren't assaulting anyone.


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    #18932012 - 10/04/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

personally, i see it as a result of institutionalization. with girls and boys mixed together, well, people are gonna wanna have sex... and once and awhile things are gonna get away from people; craziness,... because people need to act out, they can be institutionalized and not suffer the repercussions of that.


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    #18933188 - 10/04/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I was in the military and they never made us watch that movie. I may watch it one day but at this point in time I rather remain ignorant to these kinds of things or I may start making myself guilty or something.

The military is now cracking down hard on sexual abuse and harassment. A lot of times units would stick up for soldiers that did shit like that, as you pointed out. Now they have independent people that do the investigating and units get slammed if they try and cover up for someone.

It will take a while before it gets under control since apparently it was out of control. However I was in for 4 years and never heard of anything like this.




Well it was released in 2012, so if you discharged before then, that would explain why you were never forced to see the documentary.

Also, the reason that commanding officers are no longer allowed to handle rape cases, is because a member of the senate changed the law after watching the documentary. After this politician saw Invisible War, he drafted a bill that would make it illegal for commanding officers to handle rape cases in the military, and it passed into law. The entire reason they started "cracking down" is actually, partially because of that documentary.

IDK though man, I've been hearing for years now that the military is "cracking down" on sexual assault. Years before, people claimed it was "cracking down" when really, all it meant was that they forced servicemen to attend a sexual assault seminar once a year and told servicewomen to always travel with a female partner late at night. I wonder exactly what they have changed now as opposed to before. I haven't kept myself updated enough so nobody would be able to tell me.

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Also keep in mind that I have been in multiple units and the women were openly sleeping with everyone they could, none of them had been assaulted or abused. I am by no means saying that it doesn't happen though. I am just saying don't collectively look at the whole military this way, because I think they are making it out to be more then what it is. Or perhaps maybe where I was at, it wasn't as bad? I don't know. I do know that I was with a lot of the people in my unit from when we woke up to when we went asleep and they weren't assaulting anyone.




Yes, I'm aware that the men and women all sleep around and sleep with each other, lol. I was there, partying at the barracks, lol. I swear, it has been my biggest fantasy to become a marine just for that reason. It'd be a 24/7 constant sausage-fest and I'd get to fuck hot marines every night. :lol:

But... just because none of the women you know told you they had been raped doesn't mean nobody ever experienced it. I mean, let's say it did happen, that some of them were raped. Do you really think they'd come out and announce that they were? That sort of experience is such a personal and shameful thing, that nobody would ever tell anybody or let it leak out to the public if it ever happened to them. And sluts can be raped too, ya know.


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    #18933720 - 10/04/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

LOL. @ the sausage fest.

Well I may be making assumptions but usually any girl I have ever seen that had been in some type of sexual trauma didn't look extremely happy and weren't sleeping with everyone. However I was in an Infantry unit so there were very few women and all the ones I ran into never indicated there was a problem. I didn't say they would broadcast it, however I would imagine that they would wear it on there face and in there actions. Honestly I don't know if you were trying to say that I indicated sluts can't be raped? I don't know how to interpet that. Anyone can get raped, obviously. I don't need to be told that. But I find it highly unlikely that a girl that was just raped is going to go around sleeping with everyone. Any girl I have met that had something like that happen in the past is extremely wary of men.

Yeah I got out in August 2008. I remember them saying they were cracking down a bit before I got out but never saw any indication of it actually doing anything. I am hoping the change of not letting commanders handle the complaints makes a difference. Honestly it should have been a outside person to begin with and not one heavily wrapped in the military and its way of doing things. All to often people get away with doing shit because commanders and people in charge look the other way, which is bullshit.

Then again if one of the people in charge of me hadn't moved me to a medical unit, I may not have gotten out so gracefully lol.


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    #18933874 - 10/04/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LOL. @ the sausage fest.

Well I may be making assumptions but usually any girl I have ever seen that had been in some type of sexual trauma don't look extremely happy sleeping with everyone. However I was in an Infantry unit so there were very few women and all the ones I ran into never indicated there was a problem. I didn't say they would broadcast it, however I would imagine that they would wear it on there face and in there actions. Honestly I don't know if you were trying to say that I indicated sluts can be raped? I don't know how to interpet that. Anyone can get raped, obviously. I don't need to be told that. But I find it highly unlikely that a girl that was just raped is going to go around sleeping with everyone. Any girl I have met that had something like that happen in the past is extremely wary of men.




Some people who are sexually assaulted shut down and become frigid and fearful, but others that are sexually assaulted sometimes have the opposite effect, and become hypersexual, even turn into sex-addicts.

Take a look at prostitutes, or sex workers. Many of them have been sexually assaulted, either during work or early in childhood, and yet they choose to make a living based off having creepy sex with strangers multiples times a day. It's almost like they're reliving what happened to them so they can get used to it and accept it and learn to live at peace with what's happened psychologically. I don't really know for sure though, that's just my theory. But I do know that sexual abuse and traumatic life situations is a common scenario among sex workers.

People respond in different ways, and I accept that it is possible that you didn't know any girls in your unit that had been assaulted. It is also possible that there were 1 or 2, or maybe more, that have. We can't really say for sure.

I'm sure there were guys in your unit who did batter their girlfriends or spouses though, although they may have never gotten charged with domestic violence, and you may never have suspected them of doing such a thing. So often it's always the friendly neighbor-next-door type who you think would never molest some kid, or beat up his wife, or rape strangers, who always end up being the ones that do.


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    #18935863 - 10/05/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LOL. @ the sausage fest.

Well I may be making assumptions but usually any girl I have ever seen that had been in some type of sexual trauma don't look extremely happy sleeping with everyone. However I was in an Infantry unit so there were very few women and all the ones I ran into never indicated there was a problem. I didn't say they would broadcast it, however I would imagine that they would wear it on there face and in there actions. Honestly I don't know if you were trying to say that I indicated sluts can be raped? I don't know how to interpet that. Anyone can get raped, obviously. I don't need to be told that. But I find it highly unlikely that a girl that was just raped is going to go around sleeping with everyone. Any girl I have met that had something like that happen in the past is extremely wary of men.




Some people who are sexually assaulted shut down and become frigid and fearful, but others that are sexually assaulted sometimes have the opposite effect, and become hypersexual, even turn into sex-addicts.

Take a look at prostitutes, or sex workers. Many of them have been sexually assaulted, either during work or early in childhood, and yet they choose to make a living based off having creepy sex with strangers multiples times a day. It's almost like they're reliving what happened to them so they can get used to it and accept it and learn to live at peace with what's happened psychologically. I don't really know for sure though, that's just my theory. But I do know that sexual abuse and traumatic life situations is a common scenario among sex workers.

People respond in different ways, and I accept that it is possible that you didn't know any girls in your unit that had been assaulted. It is also possible that there were 1 or 2, or maybe more, that have. We can't really say for sure.

I'm sure there were guys in your unit who did batter their girlfriends or spouses though, although they may have never gotten charged with domestic violence, and you may never have suspected them of doing such a thing. So often it's always the friendly neighbor-next-door type who you think would never molest some kid, or beat up his wife, or rape strangers, who always end up being the ones that do.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18936752 - 10/05/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LOL. @ the sausage fest.

Well I may be making assumptions but usually any girl I have ever seen that had been in some type of sexual trauma don't look extremely happy sleeping with everyone. However I was in an Infantry unit so there were very few women and all the ones I ran into never indicated there was a problem. I didn't say they would broadcast it, however I would imagine that they would wear it on there face and in there actions. Honestly I don't know if you were trying to say that I indicated sluts can be raped? I don't know how to interpet that. Anyone can get raped, obviously. I don't need to be told that. But I find it highly unlikely that a girl that was just raped is going to go around sleeping with everyone. Any girl I have met that had something like that happen in the past is extremely wary of men.




Some people who are sexually assaulted shut down and become frigid and fearful, but others that are sexually assaulted sometimes have the opposite effect, and become hypersexual, even turn into sex-addicts.

Take a look at prostitutes, or sex workers. Many of them have been sexually assaulted, either during work or early in childhood, and yet they choose to make a living based off having creepy sex with strangers multiples times a day. It's almost like they're reliving what happened to them so they can get used to it and accept it and learn to live at peace with what's happened psychologically. I don't really know for sure though, that's just my theory. But I do know that sexual abuse and traumatic life situations is a common scenario among sex workers.

People respond in different ways, and I accept that it is possible that you didn't know any girls in your unit that had been assaulted. It is also possible that there were 1 or 2, or maybe more, that have. We can't really say for sure.

I'm sure there were guys in your unit who did batter their girlfriends or spouses though, although they may have never gotten charged with domestic violence, and you may never have suspected them of doing such a thing. So often it's always the friendly neighbor-next-door type who you think would never molest some kid, or beat up his wife, or rape strangers, who always end up being the ones that do.




I understand what you're saying. Unfortunately I will never know for sure, Hopefully though they crack down on this crap hard.

Also there were tons of guys who got kicked out while I was there for domestic violence. They have a law in Colorado where even if you both are just yelling at each other, one of you have to go to jail and it is usually the guy. Apparently after that you can't hold a weapon and that is why people were getting kicked out. I am sure some of them flew under the radar though unfortunately.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: LordSenate]
    #18938994 - 10/06/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

WTF are you kidding me?? A shouting match counts as domestic violence?? Thats fucked up...


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    #18939026 - 10/06/13 06:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know if it is considered domestic violence but I do know that there were people that were arrested just for shouting because it is mandatory someone goes to jail in a situation where is a domestic dispute. Yeah it is pretty stupid.


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    #18939061 - 10/06/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I get the intention to stop it from escalating but thats fullon retarded


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    #18940120 - 10/06/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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dude, you're a fool. stop posting. you ingrate. your posts are never insightful, just trash.

she likes sex, and here i am, i have to explain the obvious to you, because you're so dull...

if you don't like something about someone's sexuality, guess what it's your OWN PROBLEM. nothing your talking about has anything to do with G's morals. you again i say, INGRATE.

oh and she's right. about everything she said, being that it is a valid opinion and being that the shit she said happens, DOES in fact happen. so wtf more do you want from her? oh yeah,... to stop being "so and so" about sex. yeah, you're daft.



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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: unknown1123]
    #18941222 - 10/06/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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OP, are you still having difficulty even with previous work experience or internships? A lot of college students make the mistake of not working at all and then expecting a job immediately after completing 4 years of study.

People are right though, 23 is still young, you can still be forgiven for long periods of unemployment. My suggestion is, if you aren't already doing this, is to maybe go to a temp agency or a job placement agency or a job center in your area. In the mean time, do whatever you can to make ends meet. Sell your body if you have to (lol).






I worked all through college at a respectable job and got nothing out of it.  I've gone to temp agencies but apparently my record won't let me get a job or something?  They'll hire meth heads for better jobs than they offered me, I'm not going to work hard, manual labor (factory/warehouse) for $8.50/hour when my dad was working for $15/hr doing the same job 35 years ago.  I could make $8.50 an hour flipping burgers.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18941268 - 10/06/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't know if it is considered domestic violence but I do know that there were people that were arrested just for shouting because it is mandatory someone goes to jail in a situation where is a domestic dispute. Yeah it is pretty stupid.




I don't understand exactly what they would charge them with? It's not against the law to shout at somebody. Maybe they just take them to jail to detain them overnight (without charge) to prevent things from escalating into an ACTUAL domestic assault. If so, that's actually pretty smart that they do that.

I'm pretty sure there's a reason that they do that. Like, there must have been some case where the police were called over a couple shouting at each other. The police came, nobody was arrested because they were just shouting, and then when they left the husband must have killed the wife later that night. Or something.




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I worked all through college at a respectable job and got nothing out of it.  I've gone to temp agencies but apparently my record won't let me get a job or something?  They'll hire meth heads for better jobs than they offered me, I'm not going to work hard, manual labor (factory/warehouse) for $8.50/hour when my dad was working for $15/hr doing the same job 35 years ago.  I could make $8.50 an hour flipping burgers.




Ah, so that explains why you have difficulty finding a job--a record. Exactly what is this record for? Fraud? Assault? Possession?

There is a program that gives tax benefits to companies that hire convicts who were recently released from prison. I don't know the name of this program and couldn't give you the list of companies that are a part of the program. But somebody at the work agency should be able to give you information about it.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18941288 - 10/06/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Misdemeanor possession/paraphernalia, a disorderly conduct or two, all 2+ years ago during college, and then a DUI just over a year ago.  Nothing I would consider to be a major dealbreaker.  Lets call it youthful indiscretion :tongue:

But, this is besides the point, as I don't even get interviews with potential employers, which background checks would come after.  Never been to prison, only held in jail overnight a couple times.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18941301 - 10/06/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Misdemeanor possession/paraphernalia, a disorderly conduct or two, all 2+ years ago during college, and then a DUI just over a year ago.  Nothing I would consider to be a major dealbreaker.  Lets call it youthful indiscretion :tongue:

But, this is besides the point, as I don't even get interviews with potential employers, which background checks would come after.  Never been to prison, only held in jail overnight a couple times.




Well. What's your degree in and what sort of companies are you applying to? That might help solve the mystery.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18941308 - 10/06/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hope I never have to get a job LOL my history is miles long.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18941319 - 10/06/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Misdemeanor possession/paraphernalia, a disorderly conduct or two, all 2+ years ago during college, and then a DUI just over a year ago.  Nothing I would consider to be a major dealbreaker.  Lets call it youthful indiscretion :tongue:

But, this is besides the point, as I don't even get interviews with potential employers, which background checks would come after.  Never been to prison, only held in jail overnight a couple times.




Well. What's your degree in and what sort of companies are you applying to? That might help solve the mystery.




Biology/chemistry and I'm mostly applying for lab tech positions, R&D kind of stuff.


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    #18941327 - 10/06/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Biology/chemistry and I'm mostly applying for lab tech positions, R&D kind of stuff.




wow, now i'm just baffled as to why you can't get a degree with a bio & chem double major. I always thought that'd be a solid field with tons of openings available.

Why don't you try applying for the respectable job that you had while you were in school? I'm sure they have a different position open for college graduates and would pay you more too.


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    #18941337 - 10/06/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It was in a business field that I basically maxed out my potential in without a business degree.  I also thought that such a degree would open lots of opportunity.  I haven't even been called into an interview yet, besides from manpower where they basically told me I would be working for less money than I could possibly live on.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18941354 - 10/06/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It was in a business field that I basically maxed out my potential in without a business degree.  I also thought that such a degree would open lots of opportunity.  I haven't even been called into an interview yet, besides from manpower where they basically told me I would be working for less money than I could possibly live on.




With your degree you could probably work in research or pharmaceutical production or something. Have you tried applying to those fields?


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18941378 - 10/06/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Doesn't your university hold a job fair every semester?? My university held two job fairs every semester, one for science/tech/engineering majors and another for all other majors. My advice: Find out when the next science job fair is being held at your university, and go attend. The fact that you have already graduated will be a bonus to them, usually they are looking for seniors who are just about to graduate and can invest more time into the company.

Here's a sample one I found simply by typing in "UCI job fair" in a search engine: http://www.career.uci.edu/CareerFairs.aspx

Usually these things are held during October, so you'd better find out SOON if there's a science/tech fair at your university!!!!! I can't believe no academic advisor ever told you about the job fair they have every semester???

If for whatever reason your school doesn't, then contact the head of the department of your university. They should be able to provide you a list of companies that focus on chemical engineering, research, pharmceuticals, or whatever. Depending on your charge you might not be able to get hired to work with pharmaceuticals, but it might be fine. Apply to each of these companies individually.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18941445 - 10/06/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It will help of course if you attend in person, because the person who attends the job fair will usually give you a business card with a code that you enter into the online application, and this code will help you get first priority.

But if for whatever reason the date has already passed or you cannot attend, then you should be able to look at employers that attended the last job fair online. Here are UCI's as an example (and I see 2 or 3 in that list which you would be eligible for): https://ucirvine-csm.symplicity.com/events/students.php?mode=list&cf=F13Tech

As a matter of fact, if you are really hard-pressed for a job, you shouldn't just look at job fairs at your school, you should also look at other local universities around your area and see when they are hosting job fairs. Attend both the science and tech job fairs as well as the job fairs for other majors. Who knows, you might find a well-paying job in a field that you enjoy working in. Doesn't necessarily have to be related to your degree.

There. I just gave you information and access to literally hundreds of employers that are specifically seeking recent college graduates. If this doesn't help you, I don't know what will.

You should also apply to pharmaceutical sales. They are typically seeking only a bachelors degree in chemistry or biochemistry, and it's one of the best fields to work in. You can literally make $200K a year in that industry if you are good, and still $60K even if you absolutely suck at your job.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18942129 - 10/06/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pharma sales... I had thought about that awhile ago but completely forgot about it.  Hmm :strokebeard:

But my college career placement people are awful.  The put you on a mailing list and you just get e-mails about jobs (that I already get from the staff that send it to the career placement people).  I want to go to law school to work in patent law but I cannot afford it right now, I would like to study by myself for a few years while working and paying down my loans, and try and get in within about 5-7 years.

Unfortunately my grades weren't the greatest (2.49 GPA) and I don't really have any recommendations from professors and I didn't do any research.  I had to change my major and missed out on a full year of part time school which would have been my fifth year which was going to be my year to do research.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18942452 - 10/06/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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But my college career placement people are awful.  The put you on a mailing list and you just get e-mails about jobs (that I already get from the staff that send it to the career placement people).  I want to go to law school to work in patent law but I cannot afford it right now, I would like to study by myself for a few years while working and paying down my loans, and try and get in within about 5-7 years.

Unfortunately my grades weren't the greatest (2.49 GPA) and I don't really have any recommendations from professors and I didn't do any research.  I had to change my major and missed out on a full year of part time school which would have been my fifth year which was going to be my year to do research.




Did you read what I said about attending a career fair? A career fair has nothing to do with you contacting a career placement employee at college. A job fair is when 50 to 100 companies come to attend your school to actively recruit students as interns or employees. it is a public fair that is open to all students and alumni to freely enter. They all set up booths and you go and drop off your resume and have a short interview with their representative. Many times, if they like your resume, they will schedule an interview with the boss upfront and arrange a time and date for you on the spot.

Or, they will give you their business card with a code on it, so that when you apply online and enter the code, it gives you first priority in the hiring process.  I'm surprised you have never attended a job fair on campus, even more surprised you have never even heard of it. I've always been able to get at least three interviews lined up every time I've entered a job fair. Even the internships at the tech fair started at 50k a year, so imagine what they're offering for actual graduates.

and not just pharmacy sells, but you should also consider medical sales. They do hire people with biology degrees too.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18942480 - 10/06/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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But my college career placement people are awful.  The put you on a mailing list and you just get e-mails about jobs (that I already get from the staff that send it to the career placement people).  I want to go to law school to work in patent law but I cannot afford it right now, I would like to study by myself for a few years while working and paying down my loans, and try and get in within about 5-7 years.

Unfortunately my grades weren't the greatest (2.49 GPA) and I don't really have any recommendations from professors and I didn't do any research.  I had to change my major and missed out on a full year of part time school which would have been my fifth year which was going to be my year to do research.




Did you read what I said about attending a career fair? A career fair has nothing to do with you contacting a career placement employee at college. A job fair is when 50 to 100 companies come to attend your school to actively recruit students as interns or employees. They all set up booths and you go and drop off your resume and have a short interview with their representative. Many times, if they like your resume, they will schedule an interview with the boss upfront and arrange a time and date for you on the spot.

Or, they will give you their business card with a code on it, so that when you apply online and enter the code, it gives you first priority in the hiring process.  I'm surprised you have never attended a job fair on campus, even more surprised you have never even heard of it.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18942555 - 10/06/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've been to the career fairs on campus an 9/10 of the positions are business positions like banking, insurance, etc. (they have a really good business program).  A lot of them are also unpaid internships.

I'm going to a LEED certification class starting on the 14th (if I can get in through the local Workforce center) and OSHA 40 training the week after to hopefully open up some industrial type jobs that I could get into.


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    #18942719 - 10/06/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Your university doesn't separate science and tech fairs from the other job fairs? Cause my school separates them. One fair is for science, tech, and engineering, and another day they will have a separate fair for liberal arts majors. Most large universities do this. The fact that you went and it was mostly business majors tells me you simply went to the wrong fair. :lol:


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    #18942771 - 10/06/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, it's fucked up.  Trust me, I didn't go to the wrong fair.  But since you're so adamant I will e-mail my careers office :kingcrankey:


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