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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #18929393 - 10/04/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Keep trying. Eventually you will get one.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: LordSenate] * 1
    #18929605 - 10/04/13 03:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I predicted that the job market would be difficult long before I graduated, so I completed several internships and gained a lot of real work experience, and started looking for a job 6 months BEFORE I was set to graduate. I ended up landing a corporate career job before I even graduated.

OP, are you still having difficulty even with previous work experience or internships? A lot of college students make the mistake of not working at all and then expecting a job immediately after completing 4 years of study.

People are right though, 23 is still young, you can still be forgiven for long periods of unemployment. My suggestion is, if you aren't already doing this, is to maybe go to a temp agency or a job placement agency or a job center in your area. In the mean time, do whatever you can to make ends meet. Sell your body if you have to (lol).



As for the military, to be quite frank, if you are a person that loves drugs, chances are after a certain number of years it's possible you will get caught, with the random room and vehicle searches and drug tests that they do, and you will get dishonorably discharged just like that. So all that time you put in the military would be useless, and wouldn't even be worth putting on a resume at that point.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18929638 - 10/04/13 04:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree. I made it through the military but only by the skin of my teeth. If you can't control yourself then I wouldn't risk enlisting. However if you can, you will get a whole lot out of it. That is considering if the politicians don't bring the economy to shit.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: LordSenate]
    #18929651 - 10/04/13 04:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ever seen Invisible War, Lordsenate?


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18929665 - 10/04/13 04:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't believe so.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18929668 - 10/04/13 04:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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ever seen Invisible War, Lordsenate?




I saw that recently. From what I've been told by people in the military, they are required to see it every year, and I swear to god,  they told me that ALL the shit that happens in the documentary is real shit that happens in the military all the fucking time. This guy was telling me that this soldier raped his wife while he was deployed in Iraq, and he was (of course) never prosecuted when she filed a report, even though he had a recorded history of having raped 5 other women in the unit. Nothing happened to this guy, except all sorts of political bullshit trying to protect him and dismiss the rape. He is still in the air force and probably got promoted to sergeant by now.

FUCK THE MILITARY.

As one of my best friends in the marine corps so eloquently put it, "Imagine THE DUMBEST GUY YOU'VE EVER MET being in charge of you 24 hours a day. THAT is what being in the marine corps is like." :lol:


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: LordSenate]
    #18929670 - 10/04/13 04:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't believe so.




You should watch it. It's actually a great documentary, and it's available on Netflix. I stumbled across it by accident while browsing Netflix, thought "Hey this looks interesting" because I had never heard of the documentary before, and I was blown away by what I saw.

It's not one of those documentaries that's boring at all either, it kept me completely captivated the whole time.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18929679 - 10/04/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yep. it is great. shows that some people are there to serve their country or do their job, and some odd faggots are their to simple fuck around and fuck shit up. THOSE idiots are assholes.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18929695 - 10/04/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yep. it is great. shows that some people are there to serve their country or do their job, and some odd faggots are their to simple fuck around and fuck shit up. THOSE idiots are assholes.




I used to party at the barracks all the time when I was a teenager, man. TBH, having known marines all my life, and living right by a military base, I have a pretty bad opinion of your average serviceman. The majority of them exhibit low consciousness, are not particularly intelligent, are heavy drinkers and sex addicts, are quick to physically attack people over minor conflicts, tend to be cheaters, and have low morals.

This normally wouldn't bother me (I mean, a lot of people would say the same thing about me) except for the fact that a lot of people really look up to and respect the military, but really have no idea how a lot of servicemen act behind closed doors. They remind me more of belligerent frat boys than anything. They are worse than the crooked cop.

The second I meet a guy and he tells me he's in the military, for some reason I automatically feel like I can't trust this guy.

Don't get me wrong, I have tons of military friends, but the ones that I actually respect are the ones that do not act like your typical military man. They think and act more like scholars and tend to be very cynical of the military, rather than your typical "OOO-RAHHH!!" patriots.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18929701 - 10/04/13 05:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you tend to find that there are a lot more people that don't know why they are doing things, then people who do. that's how you get the fratboy mentality of most servicemen who are just "There to fight for their country".

usually if someone's got more on the line at stake, they'll tend to behave more, but still, the kind of people you find in the army are generally then same kind of people you'd find elsewhere.

this isn't the draft anymore, and this certainly ain't war time, (not REALLY :archiebunker: ) so you won't see any that so-called "common bond against a common enemy" type thing right about now. nope, it's just a jerb!


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18929733 - 10/04/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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you tend to find that there are a lot more people that don't know why they are doing things, then people who do. that's how you get the fratboy mentality of most servicemen who are just "There to fight for their country".

usually if someone's got more on the line at stake, they'll tend to behave more, but still, the kind of people you find in the army are generally then same kind of people you'd find elsewhere.

this isn't the draft anymore, and this certainly ain't war time, (not REALLY :archiebunker: ) so you won't see any that so-called "common bond against a common enemy" type thing right about now. nope, it's just a jerb!




I think what bothers me is the fact that they are EXTREMELY conservative, and therefore judgmental about other people who act in a similar fashion. Despite the fact that their conservatism is often paralleled with binge drinking, spousal abuse, bar fights, one-night stands with prostitutes, and extramarital affairs, they actually have the audacity to go and then criticize other people (particularly women) for even minor things, such as wearing short shorts.

No shit, I remember reading an article on a military website about a mother who was kicked out from the chow hall for nursing in public, and the comments from the servicemen on that article really made me want to vomit. 90 percent of the comments were servicemen talking about her like how she was a trashy stripper letting everybody get a peek at her boobs, that she should be ashamed, and this was a place where people EAT. I bet you anything all those guys talking all that trash go to the strip clubs every weekend weekend with their platoon buddies to cheat on their girlfriends.

Yea, it just bothers me, because most marines are from Texas and are therefore religious and conservative, yet they have low moral character and are paradoxically at the same time EXTREMELY judgmental about other people's lifestyles. Like, they will call you a piece of shit if they find out you take drugs, yet assaulting random people who piss you off is completely okay in their eyes?

I don't know man, just the whole military culture, it's got a completely warped sense of perspective of morality. What they consider right and wrong, it's just not becoming of them at all... That movie Invisible War just reinforced my belief about what military culture is truly like.  I just don't think that people should blindly respect military servicemen. I think a lot of people wouldn't if they really knew how a lot of them behave outside of the uniform.

Sorry for my rant, I guess blind patriotism without questioning anything and looking deeper into the problems just really bothers me.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18929775 - 10/04/13 05:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, i prefer to see prove of the persons honor first, before decided whether to trust them or not. i'd say the military has a warped sense of honor, and those people who can not have that "warped sense" effect THEIR honor, i believe that they can turn in and do their duty, whilst not commiserating in the faculty and peers that surround them.

to some people this really is a duty, and to those people i sent my respect, because they truly care, THEY HAVE SOMETHING on the line. those other lot, they just don't know what they're fighting for.

that's why they are like the way they are; and creating problems. of course, even their perception is even gonna be deceitful, not just their actions. they think that it's all a "game", those kinds of people.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18930197 - 10/04/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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yep. it is great. shows that some people are there to serve their country or do their job, and some odd faggots are their to simple fuck around and fuck shit up. THOSE idiots are assholes.




I used to party at the barracks all the time when I was a teenager, man. TBH, having known marines all my life, and living right by a military base, I have a pretty bad opinion of your average serviceman. The majority of them exhibit low consciousness, are not particularly intelligent, are heavy drinkers and sex addicts, are quick to physically attack people over minor conflicts, tend to be cheaters, and have low morals.

This normally wouldn't bother me (I mean, a lot of people would say the same thing about me) except for the fact that a lot of people really look up to and respect the military, but really have no idea how a lot of servicemen act behind closed doors. They remind me more of belligerent frat boys than anything. They are worse than the crooked cop.

The second I meet a guy and he tells me he's in the military, for some reason I automatically feel like I can't trust this guy.

Don't get me wrong, I have tons of military friends, but the ones that I actually respect are the ones that do not act like your typical military man. They think and act more like scholars and tend to be very cynical of the military, rather than your typical "OOO-RAHHH!!" patriots.



crystal G talking about morals and shit? Not everyone can go smoke some meth and fist your bf's asshole and still have morals :rolleyes:

Post a nude if you're going to post.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: unknown1123]
    #18931158 - 10/04/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

dude, you're a fool. stop posting. you ingrate. your posts are never insightful, just trash.

she likes sex, and here i am, i have to explain the obvious to you, because you're so dull...

if you don't like something about someone's sexuality, guess what it's your OWN PROBLEM. nothing your talking about has anything to do with G's morals. you again i say, INGRATE.

oh and she's right. about everything she said, being that it is a valid opinion and being that the shit she said happens, DOES in fact happen. so wtf more do you want from her? oh yeah,... to stop being "so and so" about sex. yeah, you're daft.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #18931181 - 10/04/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Make your own luck! :nyan:


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: unknown1123]
    #18931528 - 10/04/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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crystal G talking about morals and shit? Not everyone can go smoke some meth and fist your bf's asshole and still have morals :rolleyes:

Post a nude if you're going to post.




I'm totally fine with servicemen doing those kind of things. I know a lot of them gangbang hookers and shit, and good for them. It's when they do those things, and then berate and insult people who enjoy gay sex or are pro-choice or like to use drugs recreationally. It's like those politicians who are so against any type of non-conventional, non-marital, non-traditional sex, then go around and are exposed having an affair smoking meth with a gay prostitute. There's nothing wrong with what they did, it's the fact that they shamed other people for having similar indulgences. The way that you act behind closed doors should be the face that you show in public. That's one thing that I will never be.... two-faced. I've always been upfront about what the fuck I am, because society will never change its perspectives on people like me unless we are open and honest about what we do.

Also, yes, I might be sexually open but one thing I will never approve of is sexual assault, spousal assault, or assault on other people. (Which, as discussed earlier, is RAMPANT in the military, and the prime example of some of their warped moral values).


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18932006 - 10/04/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't believe so.




You should watch it. It's actually a great documentary, and it's available on Netflix. I stumbled across it by accident while browsing Netflix, thought "Hey this looks interesting" because I had never heard of the documentary before, and I was blown away by what I saw.

It's not one of those documentaries that's boring at all either, it kept me completely captivated the whole time.




I was in the military and they never made us watch that movie. I may watch it one day but at this point in time I rather remain ignorant to these kinds of things or I may start making myself guilty or something.

The military is now cracking down hard on sexual abuse and harassment. A lot of times units would stick up for soldiers that did shit like that, as you pointed out. Now they have independent people that do the investigating and units get slammed if they try and cover up for someone.

It will take a while before it gets under control since apparently it was out of control. However I was in for 4 years and never heard of anything like this.

Also keep in mind that I have been in multiple units and the women were openly sleeping with everyone they could, none of them had been assaulted or abused. I am by no means saying that it doesn't happen though. I am just saying don't collectively look at the whole military this way, because I think they are making it out to be more then what it is. Or perhaps maybe where I was at, it wasn't as bad? I don't know. I do know that I was with a lot of the people in my unit from when we woke up to when we went asleep and they weren't assaulting anyone.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: LordSenate]
    #18932012 - 10/04/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

personally, i see it as a result of institutionalization. with girls and boys mixed together, well, people are gonna wanna have sex... and once and awhile things are gonna get away from people; craziness,... because people need to act out, they can be institutionalized and not suffer the repercussions of that.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: LordSenate]
    #18933188 - 10/04/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I was in the military and they never made us watch that movie. I may watch it one day but at this point in time I rather remain ignorant to these kinds of things or I may start making myself guilty or something.

The military is now cracking down hard on sexual abuse and harassment. A lot of times units would stick up for soldiers that did shit like that, as you pointed out. Now they have independent people that do the investigating and units get slammed if they try and cover up for someone.

It will take a while before it gets under control since apparently it was out of control. However I was in for 4 years and never heard of anything like this.




Well it was released in 2012, so if you discharged before then, that would explain why you were never forced to see the documentary.

Also, the reason that commanding officers are no longer allowed to handle rape cases, is because a member of the senate changed the law after watching the documentary. After this politician saw Invisible War, he drafted a bill that would make it illegal for commanding officers to handle rape cases in the military, and it passed into law. The entire reason they started "cracking down" is actually, partially because of that documentary.

IDK though man, I've been hearing for years now that the military is "cracking down" on sexual assault. Years before, people claimed it was "cracking down" when really, all it meant was that they forced servicemen to attend a sexual assault seminar once a year and told servicewomen to always travel with a female partner late at night. I wonder exactly what they have changed now as opposed to before. I haven't kept myself updated enough so nobody would be able to tell me.

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Also keep in mind that I have been in multiple units and the women were openly sleeping with everyone they could, none of them had been assaulted or abused. I am by no means saying that it doesn't happen though. I am just saying don't collectively look at the whole military this way, because I think they are making it out to be more then what it is. Or perhaps maybe where I was at, it wasn't as bad? I don't know. I do know that I was with a lot of the people in my unit from when we woke up to when we went asleep and they weren't assaulting anyone.




Yes, I'm aware that the men and women all sleep around and sleep with each other, lol. I was there, partying at the barracks, lol. I swear, it has been my biggest fantasy to become a marine just for that reason. It'd be a 24/7 constant sausage-fest and I'd get to fuck hot marines every night. :lol:

But... just because none of the women you know told you they had been raped doesn't mean nobody ever experienced it. I mean, let's say it did happen, that some of them were raped. Do you really think they'd come out and announce that they were? That sort of experience is such a personal and shameful thing, that nobody would ever tell anybody or let it leak out to the public if it ever happened to them. And sluts can be raped too, ya know.


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Re: Nobody likes you when you're 23. [Re: Crystal G]
    #18933720 - 10/04/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

LOL. @ the sausage fest.

Well I may be making assumptions but usually any girl I have ever seen that had been in some type of sexual trauma didn't look extremely happy and weren't sleeping with everyone. However I was in an Infantry unit so there were very few women and all the ones I ran into never indicated there was a problem. I didn't say they would broadcast it, however I would imagine that they would wear it on there face and in there actions. Honestly I don't know if you were trying to say that I indicated sluts can't be raped? I don't know how to interpet that. Anyone can get raped, obviously. I don't need to be told that. But I find it highly unlikely that a girl that was just raped is going to go around sleeping with everyone. Any girl I have met that had something like that happen in the past is extremely wary of men.

Yeah I got out in August 2008. I remember them saying they were cracking down a bit before I got out but never saw any indication of it actually doing anything. I am hoping the change of not letting commanders handle the complaints makes a difference. Honestly it should have been a outside person to begin with and not one heavily wrapped in the military and its way of doing things. All to often people get away with doing shit because commanders and people in charge look the other way, which is bullshit.

Then again if one of the people in charge of me hadn't moved me to a medical unit, I may not have gotten out so gracefully lol.


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