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I have yet to hear a single politician or judge claim that plants and fungi offend Christianity (the dominant ingrained religion of the lawmakers and legal system in the west). If you could provide source for this I will appreciate it. The US leads the western world in the "war on drugs" - a political means to again, subjugate a class of people and support friends of the elected who run the business of prisons.
When the Spanish conquistadors took over Mexico and Central America, Franciscan priests spread the Christian teachings. The natives said they did not need an intermediary to God when they could speak directly to him under the influence of teonanacatl (magic mushrooms). Shortly thereafter the Franciscans made it a capital offense to partake of mushrooms.
Alcohol prohibition was certainly funded and backed by churches. They put enormous pressure on politicians.
As to marijuana, how many atheists would call it 'The Devil's Weed'? The whole idea that ingesting some plants is moral and other plants is immoral is certainly based on religious belief.
Seriously? Conquistadors? riiiiight.
What part are you struggling with? The first large scale prohibition of fungi was sanctioned by The Church. That same attitude carries forward to this day.
I am not struggling with any of it. You are. You are posting angrily against religion and blaming them for all the ills on the planet. In my opinion you are an equal zealot as any fundie; but have a different view point.
I don't give a rat's ass what churches, law enforcement, politicians, or anyone else thinks of substances I may wish to ingest. At the same time, realizing there are legal implications to some of the substances, I am very careful in my approach to acquisition and possession. There are realities in life to deal with people and systems.
Again, either stamp out the opposition or learn to live with/around it. But in my opinion, continuously posting material that amounts to pissing and moaning about a group of people is fruitless.
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Re: Why didn't he pray for his son? [Re: 57-71]
#18873517 - 09/21/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am not struggling with any of it. You are. You are posting angrily against religion and blaming them for all the ills on the planet. In my opinion you are an equal zealot as any fundie; but have a different view point.
I don't give a rat's ass what churches, law enforcement, politicians, or anyone else thinks of substances I may wish to ingest. At the same time, realizing there are legal implications to some of the substances, I am very careful in my approach to acquisition and possession. There are realities in life to deal with people and systems.
Again, either stamp out the opposition or learn to live with/around it. But in my opinion, continuously posting material that amounts to pissing and moaning about a group of people is fruitless.

Butthurt much?
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Re: Why didn't he pray for his son? [Re: Repertoire89]
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I am not struggling with any of it. You are. You are posting angrily against religion and blaming them for all the ills on the planet. In my opinion you are an equal zealot as any fundie; but have a different view point.
I don't give a rat's ass what churches, law enforcement, politicians, or anyone else thinks of substances I may wish to ingest. At the same time, realizing there are legal implications to some of the substances, I am very careful in my approach to acquisition and possession. There are realities in life to deal with people and systems.
Again, either stamp out the opposition or learn to live with/around it. But in my opinion, continuously posting material that amounts to pissing and moaning about a group of people is fruitless.

Butthurt much?
A serious discussion in a philosophy forum and that's the best you can do?
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Re: Why didn't he pray for his son? [Re: 57-71]
#18873626 - 09/21/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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How is this nonsense part of an 'honest ' discussion?
"You are posting angrily against religion and blaming them for all the ills on the planet."
Read the Fallacies Sticky Thread and look up strawman before you make yourself look even more ignorant.
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Re: Why didn't he pray for his son? [Re: 57-71]
#18873746 - 09/21/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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A serious discussion in a philosophy forum and that's the best you can do?
There were too many personalisms in your post for me to take it seriously
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#18873758 - 09/21/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I especially liked the part: Who cares if people lives are ruined for entheogen usage? I am way too smart to ever get caught.
That is right up there with: Why should I care about rape? I am a man.
See how much fun strawmanning is?
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Again, either stamp out the opposition or learn to live with/around it. But in my opinion, continuously posting material that amounts to pissing and moaning about a group of people is fruitless.
I thought this part war particularly brilliant, lets stamp out all the religious nutters - all 6 billion of them
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OrgoneConclusion said: I especially liked the part: Who cares if people lives are ruined for entheogen usage? I am way too smart to ever get caught.
That is right up there with: Why should I care about rape? I am a man.
See how much fun strawmanning is? 
See how easily you can extrapolate all kinds of bullshit and project half truths from what someone actually said? I think you make a great preacher, (the philosophy is of your choosing of course) you certainly display all the characteristics of one. And in my opinion, the ignorance of which you speak is surely displayed at its apex in your posts that attack and deride others, especially when they are down and experiencing family trauma. This, and you, remind me of Rev. Al Sharpton.
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Re: Why didn't he pray for his son? [Re: 57-71]
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OrgoneConclusion said: I especially liked the part: Who cares if people lives are ruined for entheogen usage? I am way too smart to ever get caught.
That is right up there with: Why should I care about rape? I am a man.
See how much fun strawmanning is? 
See how easily you can extrapolate all kinds of bullshit and project half truths from what someone actually said? I think you make a great preacher, (the philosophy is of your choosing of course) you certainly display all the characteristics of one. And in my opinion, the ignorance of which you speak is surely displayed at its apex in your posts that attack and deride others, especially when they are down and experiencing family trauma. This, and you, remind me of Rev. Al Sharpton.
More personalisms, does your argument lack such a foundation that you cannot even defend it? You have to attack OCs character?
OC didn't deride you
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Re: Why didn't he pray for his son? [Re: Repertoire89]
#18878061 - 09/22/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: I especially liked the part: Who cares if people lives are ruined for entheogen usage? I am way too smart to ever get caught.
That is right up there with: Why should I care about rape? I am a man.
See how much fun strawmanning is? 
See how easily you can extrapolate all kinds of bullshit and project half truths from what someone actually said? I think you make a great preacher, (the philosophy is of your choosing of course) you certainly display all the characteristics of one. And in my opinion, the ignorance of which you speak is surely displayed at its apex in your posts that attack and deride others, especially when they are down and experiencing family trauma. This, and you, remind me of Rev. Al Sharpton.
More personalisms, does your argument lack such a foundation that you cannot even defend it? You have to attack OCs character?
OC didn't deride you

If you had read the thread you would notice that I raised one point which is an opinion that the OP is constantly posting drivel that derides other groups which do not conform to his viewpoint.
Also, being described as ignorant is a personalism - if you take the time to read the thread.
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Re: Why didn't he pray for his son? [Re: 57-71]
#18878072 - 09/22/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you had read the thread you would notice that I raised one point which is an opinion that the OP is constantly posting drivel that derides other groups which do not conform to his viewpoint.
Also, being described as ignorant is a personalism - if you take the time to read the thread.
So you're argument consists entirely of personalisms directed at OC? Do you need like a joint or something?
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Re: Why didn't he pray for his son? [Re: Repertoire89]
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Your mom!
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Re: Why didn't he pray for his son? [Re: 57-71]
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In a world with science there is no room for religion or prayer... I just can't wait til we finally breed out the poison known as religion from our society.
Religion has its benefits but in the end all it really does is causes hatred and starts wars because no two people can see eye to eye...
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If that ever does happen while the human race is still in existence, which I doubt, I can almost guarantee you will be long dead.
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Re: Why didn't he pray for his son? [Re: abatu666]
#18882112 - 09/23/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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abatu666 said: In a world with science there is no room for religion or prayer... I just can't wait til we finally breed out the poison known as religion from our society.
Religion has its benefits but in the end all it really does is causes hatred and starts wars because no two people can see eye to eye...
One man- "I don't like you" other man- "Why" First man "because my gods di** is bigger than your gods!" (everyone dies)
You can say this with a closed mind, and claim to be of science, support science or be a scientist. Obviously, you know nothing of scientists. Predominately, they will say something like: "We do not think it is feasible that there is a god or gods, however in the absence of being able to prove otherwise, we can not say with certainty one does not exist." Other scientists believe in a god and yet produce good sound science. At the same time there are atheist scientists doing the same good work. With minor exception, each is usually respectful of the others right to express a belief. The scientists are also quite cognizant of restrictions to speech such that you propose in your post, due to having been censured at various times by governments and religion - which means people. Interestingly, your position also supports a comment I made prior, and your friends ridiculed.
The world is not black and white. People of all manner of beliefs live here and the atheist POV on this board is just another religion in its rabid declarations. This is why I have no affiliation with any of it: atheism, christianity, buddhism, islam, etc, etc, etc.
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Re: Why didn't he pray for his son? [Re: 57-71]
#18882860 - 09/23/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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A belief without a foundation is called a delusion. Not much to respect about that.
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OrgoneConclusion said: A belief without a foundation is called a delusion. Not much to respect about that.
At least I know who and what I am, and have self-respect. I do not want, seek, nor need respect from people that can not consider any POV but their own narrow world, and in so being, become exactly what they profess to despise.
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#18886623 - 09/24/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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More personalisms. That seems to be your best debate tactic.
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