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Cyclohexylamine
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: teamkiller]
#18886127 - 09/24/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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teamkiller said: then why are there bitcoin washing services?
edit: also there have been flaws found in the bitcoin washing services.
Bitcoin washing services are not there because of security flaws.. It's because otherwise the BT transactions could be traced if someone wanted to. That is not a flaw of BT but how it's intended to be run.
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tymoteusz3 said:
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teamkiller said: then why are there bitcoin washing services?
edit: also there have been flaws found in the bitcoin washing services.
Bitcoin washing services are not there because of security flaws.. It's because otherwise the BT transactions could be traced if someone wanted to. That is not a flaw of BT but how it's intended to be run.
QFT.
The BTC algorithm itself has absolutely no known security flaws whatsoever.
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: pwnasaurus]
#18886163 - 09/24/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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pwnasaurus said:
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tymoteusz3 said:
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teamkiller said: then why are there bitcoin washing services?
edit: also there have been flaws found in the bitcoin washing services.
Bitcoin washing services are not there because of security flaws.. It's because otherwise the BT transactions could be traced if someone wanted to. That is not a flaw of BT but how it's intended to be run.
QFT.
The BTC algorithm itself has absolutely no known security flaws whatsoever.
Yup. It's a pretty cool protocol.
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when they start arresting users and they find out that people from all walks of life including doctors, lawyers, and government officials are using it...
they have to confront the real issue which is the drug war, not SR
just callin' it now, blanket arrests of SR users will never happen
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: NWlight]
#18886204 - 09/24/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rich people get arrested too, they just get out a lot faster and don't go to prison.
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: fapjack]
#18886218 - 09/24/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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the DEA wants to stigmatize drug users and arresting every single SR user would result in very obvious failure of the drug war
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: Ogla]
#18886223 - 09/24/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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losfreddy said:
Those methods include encryption-cracking technology and the exploitation of security weaknesses in some encrypted email and instant message software used by Silk Road customers, the source said.
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/sources-dea-probes-silk-road-suspected-online-hub-for-illegal-drugs-1.6120533
Bullshit, if they could crack encryptions taking down the silk road and every single seller and buyer that uses it wouldnt be a problem. The only thing they can do is intercept the keys. That risk could be mitigated by taking proper security precautions.
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: pwnasaurus]
#18886276 - 09/24/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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pwnasaurus said: QFT.
The BTC algorithm itself has absolutely no known security flaws whatsoever.
i can't see what tyzomodeous writes. I don't understand the sentence you wrote. you mean it (probably) can't be brute forced? whoop de doo. from the point of view of examining bitcoin's function, bitcoin is not totally safe, and i'd be surprised if authorities haven't figure out a way to trace bitcoin users. a trillion bit encryption doesn't do shit if the implementation isn't equally secure.
edit: there have been many flaws found in bitcoin, what do you mean by security?
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: teamkiller]
#18886307 - 09/24/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bitcoins are traceable. The transactions could be tracked quite easily, letting the coins themselves implicate you. Zero-coin is a work around for that particular problem.
A major vulnerability of the TOR network is the ability for a sufficiently powerful organization, like the government, to set up a large number of its own nodes while overloading others. It'll effectively let them trace traffic, theres been a few recent incidents where the number of nodes have mysteriously spiked by 10-20%. Which Im pretty sure is the feds doing exactly that.
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: teamkiller]
#18886332 - 09/24/13 07:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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teamkiller said:
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pwnasaurus said: QFT.
The BTC algorithm itself has absolutely no known security flaws whatsoever.
i can't see what tyzomodeous writes. I don't understand the sentence you wrote. you mean it (probably) can't be brute forced? whoop de doo. from the point of view of examining bitcoin's function, bitcoin is not totally safe, and i'd be surprised if authorities haven't figure out a way to trace bitcoin users. a trillion bit encryption doesn't do shit if the implementation isn't equally secure.
edit: there have been many flaws found in bitcoin, what do you mean by security?
I have not heard of a single flaw in the actual BTC protocol. The hash algorithm, the method in which blocks are mined, stored, and transferred is all 100% secure as far as I'm aware. I'm not talking about traceability - naturally for the system to be secure it HAS to be 100% traceable or people could just spoof coin locations (ie which wallet they are in).
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: fapjack]
#18886383 - 09/24/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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fapjack said: They've been trying to nail the silk road for at least 2 years, doesn't mean they are getting anywhere.
This. x10,000
Also bitcoins are EXTREMELY secure provided the proper protocol is followed. Which SR are complete nazis about.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Bitcoins are traceable. The transactions could be tracked quite easily, letting the coins themselves implicate you. Zero-coin is a work around for that particular problem.
A major vulnerability of the TOR network is the ability for a sufficiently powerful organization, like the government, to set up a large number of its own nodes while overloading others. It'll effectively let them trace traffic, theres been a few recent incidents where the number of nodes have mysteriously spiked by 10-20%. Which Im pretty sure is the feds doing exactly that.
Shit... there's only a billion of us and they've got at LEAST 10 or 20 bullets. 
Those of us who've been involved in Anonymous, Perilops, etc. don't seem to be worried.
But then, the wolf hunts not the roaring mountain lion but the bleating sheep. We will watch over you, though, and we will fight for you until you awaken.
And you leave fingerprints everywhere you go if you don't go out of your way to do somethin' bout it.
If there's ever a time to go out of your way, it's when ordering Schedule 1&2's off the interwebz. 
If you set yourself up properly, the Feds are going to advise Interpol about your location in Germany until they finally trace it back to someone who turns out to be a child pornographer.
True story from one of my own friends (I'd say "goonies" but that would imply I'm in any way superior to him) in the pedohunting circles.
a) obscure yourself b) send any inquiry elsewhere c) make sure it falls like an anvil on someone (else) who deserves it when they think they've figured it out
For the record, I'm a game programmer originally, not a hacker, but I fell in with many of the elites.
If you sung "One glad morning" at the top of your lungs while Harriet Tubman brought you to freedom, would it be Harriet's fault if you got caught?
Learn about TOR, BTC laundry, etc. before you traipse and you'll be a subtle target at best... and that's if you're one of SR's coke lords.
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: st1llnox] 2
#18922028 - 10/02/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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told you guys you were underestimating
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: Ogla]
#18922041 - 10/02/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It doesn't seem like they got him because of mistakes he made with tor... Wait though to be fair, he might be the only person that goes down because of this.
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: fapjack]
#18922096 - 10/02/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fapjack said: It doesn't seem like they got him because of mistakes he made with tor... Wait though to be fair, he might be the only person that goes down because of this.
Exactly. It wasn't due to infiltrating SR or hacking tor - if everything is how DPR said it was, then they can't get any buyers addresses even if they didn't use PGP. And if as a buyer you were smart and used PGP for sensitive info then there wouldn't be anything they could do. And as a seller there isn't any way for them to get you provided you were / are smart and used TOR correctly.
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? *DELETED* [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: LittleDipster]
#18922143 - 10/02/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: modern.shaman]
#18922265 - 10/02/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: fapjack]
#18922280 - 10/02/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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fapjack said: It doesn't seem like they got him because of mistakes he made with tor... Wait though to be fair, he might be the only person that goes down because of this.
Tor anonymity is never broken with the take down of these sites.. its other tricks and loop holes and stuff
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Re: Feds infiltrating the silk road? [Re: Ogla]
#18922401 - 10/02/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It seems like this bust largely stems from the "random" and rather unfortunate discovery of his fake IDs by CBP. Everything else seems to have come to light as a result of that event and probably things seized at the time (apparently including SSH keys that allowed access to at least one SR related server).
From the rest of the evidence we can conclude that tracks at were not covered as well as they could have been at times. But everyone make mistakes, and unfortunately you can't control content on services owned by other people so even if you cover tracks later there still may be a record. From the complain his security doesn't look to shabby, and it really just looks like LE got very lucky. I have been stating since the inception of SR that ultimately you are probably misplacing too much trust in vendor security. The SR/Tor/BTC system ultimately shields a vendor more than a user who has to provide a physical address. If vendor security is not extremely tight and does not assume a potential bust everyday then customer data should be expected to eventually fall into LE hands. It would only take some number of transactions for LE to track down all but the most sophisticated vendors given the cooperation of the USPS with LE. Remember the very security conscious vendor who was busted fairly early on? It can happen to even the best.
The legal document suggests at least one case of piss poor vendor security which placed many customers at risk.
When you are public enemy number (SR) one all it takes is one slip-up or even one unfortunate circumstance for everything to come crashing down.
Fortunately Ulbricht seems rather dedicated to "the cause" so I doubt that he cooperated with the Feds except to misdirect them.
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