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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: Camwritesgonzo]
    #18884905 - 09/24/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I miss read the title as the teens wanting to eat the liver of the mom to get high because she was taking a lot of pills...:smilingpuppy:

But immediately realized how dumb that was but in this day and age, who knows what goes down haha





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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
    #18885767 - 09/24/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

This is nuts!!! I agree though this has GOT to be the work of CCC's or something, doesn't look like there was much stable brain activity here lol.


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: PNW FunGuy]
    #18886230 - 09/24/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Addys can be blue and can cause psychosis.  Then again since the police heard blue they automatically assume oxy I bet.


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: dark3st]
    #18888304 - 09/25/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Coulda been anything..some people have really weird metabolisms and can turn psycho from just huffin the pot..but when shit like this happens its usually always due to a dormant mental illness that the drug simply "activates," just like how a hit of crack or meth can expose a dormant heart defect.

Personally though I think the kids just made the blue pills up because they were too ashamed to admit they were chuggin' robitussin :blush:


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: redflackal]
    #18888323 - 09/25/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Bro you have a cannabis inhaler?


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: dark3st] * 1
    #18888473 - 09/25/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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redflackal said:
Coulda been anything..some people have really weird metabolisms and can turn psycho from just huffin the pot..but when shit like this happens its usually always due to a dormant mental illness that the drug simply "activates," just like how a hit of crack or meth can expose a dormant heart defect.

Personally though I think the kids just made the blue pills up because they were too ashamed to admit they were chuggin' robitussin :blush:




There's absolutely no basis whatsoever for this that I've yet encountered.

It's a write-off for "drugs make you crazy".
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redflackal said:
Coulda been anything..some people have really weird metabolisms and can turn psycho from just huffin the pot..but when shit like this happens its usually always due to a dormant mental illness that the drug simply "activates," just like how a hit of crack or meth can expose a dormant heart defect.

Personally though I think the kids just made the blue pills up because they were too ashamed to admit they were chuggin' robitussin :blush:





I'm a notorious DXM head. If dextromethorphan was involved AT ALL, I'll eat the bottle next trip. :wink:

CCCs, though... antihistamines are known to be delirients. Viking berserkers too were on delirients when they'd charge haphazardly into battle like a human blender of other humans, so you might be half right :shrug:


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Bro you have a cannabis inhaler?





Can't wait till you get banned (it's okay; he has me on ignore).


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
    #18888856 - 09/25/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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st1llnox said:

CCCs, though... antihistamines are known to be delirients. Viking berserkers too were on delirients when they'd charge haphazardly into battle like a human blender of other humans, so you might be half right :shrug:




Berserkers and random crazy people are two very different stories


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: vandago]
    #18890579 - 09/25/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I seriously doubt it was MDMA. :facepalm:


In any case, it probably wasn't the drugs alone anyway.


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: Synthe]
    #18893347 - 09/26/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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There's absolutely no basis whatsoever for this that I've yet encountered.

It's a write-off for "drugs make you crazy".





You've never met an acid-head in a detox ward. Or heard of the phrase "amphetamine psychosis."

If you don't think drugs can make you crazy you've just been doing shitty drugs :wink:


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: redflackal]
    #18893673 - 09/26/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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redflackal said:
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There's absolutely no basis whatsoever for this that I've yet encountered.

It's a write-off for "drugs make you crazy".





You've never met an acid-head in a detox ward. Or heard of the phrase "amphetamine psychosis."

If you don't think drugs can make you crazy you've just been doing shitty drugs :wink:




Source some peer reviewed research articles demonstrating that LSD can cause psychosis

You can't do that can you?
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: Repertoire89]
    #18894425 - 09/26/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Recent study on this site shows no increase risk of psychosis in a sample of 22k people out of a bunch more.


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: dark3st]
    #18894441 - 09/26/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I've been researching HPPD a lot.

The incidence of psychosis that lasts longer than 48 hours is 1.8 in 1000, although they used psychosis a bit loosely.


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
    #18895093 - 09/26/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I really can't believe some of the stupid-ass responses in this thread.

Sure, some drugs can exacerbate a pre-existing crazy. In fact, most drugs can, to one degree or another.

Then there are some drugs that can somewhat more reliably make people go a little delusional if they use them in crazy binge amounts for an extended period (MDPV, amphetamines, etc)

Then, there are much more rare cases where someone takes a drug and just seems to snap in a weird way. Certain drugs are also more closely associated with this phenomenon. Think "Big Lurch."



However... for 2 young boys to both go crazy... the same kind of off-the-wall, murderous crazy? That seems a bit more extreme. And I have a hard time seeing any of the above fitting into such a scenario. Both boys would have to be equally delusional, or out of it, or one just going along with a more delusional other...


And did no one find it suspicious that no drugs were found, and the boy described what they took as "lots of blue pills?"  That, to me, almost sounds like the answer of a drug-naive teenager. Maybe they're both just crazy little shits, and this was their pre-meditated, half-assed Columbine, and their plan was to blame it on drugs, to try to get a reduced sentence. I dunno... that sounds kinda weak too.  But so does this whole episode. Really weird, and fucked up. Shame, that it's just going to give "drugs" a worse name. Be  an even bigger shame if these two little psychos are just lying about the drugs. :shrug:


I'd love to see toxicology on these crazy little shits.


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #18895206 - 09/26/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

They could have also brought up the liver thing to hopefully get some sort of insanity plea deal.


It would be very difficult to establish that drugs can bring out pre-existing conditions that were dormant before; this could be indistinguishable from the drug simply making someone crazy (your allusion to some drugs just having rare effects).

People also go along with some really crazy shit, so only one needed to be crazy crazy providing the other one was constitutionally wimpy or better yet, wimpy and on some sort of drugs.



If you know of any good studies on drugs bringing out "pre-existing conditions" that weren't like, already there and known, I'd love to see them (although I don't count a study saying something as being necessarily sufficient for establishing something).

I think for people living with certain conditions, namely psychotic ones like schizophrenia, they can certainly cause problems they're dealing with to be worse or add new problems to the mix (but these are the same new problems everyone can potentially be prone to; it might be that they're more susceptible but this is speculation on my part).


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
    #18898252 - 09/27/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone ever notice that a lot of murderous people come from Washington state?

Lots of serial killers and random acts of violence. Curiouser and curiouser.


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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
    #18898892 - 09/27/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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They could have also brought up the liver thing to hopefully get some sort of insanity plea deal.


It would be very difficult to establish that drugs can bring out pre-existing conditions that were dormant before; this could be indistinguishable from the drug simply making someone crazy (your allusion to some drugs just having rare effects).

People also go along with some really crazy shit, so only one needed to be crazy crazy providing the other one was constitutionally wimpy or better yet, wimpy and on some sort of drugs.



If you know of any good studies on drugs bringing out "pre-existing conditions" that weren't like, already there and known, I'd love to see them (although I don't count a study saying something as being necessarily sufficient for establishing something).

I think for people living with certain conditions, namely psychotic ones like schizophrenia, they can certainly cause problems they're dealing with to be worse or add new problems to the mix (but these are the same new problems everyone can potentially be prone to; it might be that they're more susceptible but this is speculation on my part).








I think all of your points are generally fair. And as to your question-- no, I don't know of any off-hand and I'm presently feeling too lazy to look it up. But from all the crap I've read, I thought it was accepted general knowledge that various drugs could exacerbate or "bring out" dormant mental illness. That said, your wording struck me as odd....

That being, if I know of any studies on drugs bringing out pre-existing conditions that weren't "already there and known."  I find this strange, because "already there" is pretty much the very definition of "pre-existing."


This, I have actually seen in personal experience. I've known IRL and talked to people who seemed normal, or thought they were "normal" before experimenting with pot or psychedelics in their teens / 20's, only to (afterward) be diagnosed with something like schizophrenia. It definitely happens, and I'm sure there are studies out there. I just can't think of any.


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