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Making Mushroom Compost
    #18884112 - 09/24/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

When people refer to using mushroom compost for their gardens are they talking about using composted mushroom substrate or a special compost normally used for mushrooms but used for gardens instead?  I bought 2 composters with the goal of composting all my waste substrate and I would like to find a good method/recipe to make it good so eventually maybe I can sell it or at least use it for my own gardens.  I'm interested to hear what anyone knows on this........


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18884133 - 09/24/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Most mushroom compost for sale has already been leached and used by mushrooms I beleive, so its not good for growing mushrooms.

However it is good for plants. 

if you're looking for recipes utsf

search compost by user Agar.  you should find everything you need.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: omegafaust]
    #18884164 - 09/24/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah i'm not trying to make compost to grow on but rather for gardening.  It would be interesting to learn both though and maybe grow some different strains in the future!  Thanks for the tip though.  Most of what i've been finding is 8 years old plus.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18884381 - 09/24/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Mushroom compost is the leftovers from manufacturing button and portobello mushrooms. The substrate they use to make button and portobello is composted manure and straw,  so it is a good source of nitrates already. The mycelium breaks it down even further so it's great for plants.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: liamtheloser]
    #18884501 - 09/24/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

composting is quite the art, it you want to do it aerobic without much loss of nitrogen. if it happens anaerobic, you get N2O and methane, and it gets sour. but aerobic it goes faster and environmentally friendly-er. by having the right C to N ratio you limit the loss of N to the air.
if you also want to know how to compost your own feaces: the humanure handbook (downloadable on the internet).
but why don;'t you just bury your used mushroomblocks in the garden for additional flushes?
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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: forrest]
    #18884675 - 09/24/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't have a garden yet lol I would like to start one but i have tons of spent blocks i have been throwing out back and i've had ppl ask me if I can get it so I figured I'd try to make some.  I will post any good reads I find for other readers of this thread.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18884749 - 09/24/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I tried to bury some out by the garden and these guy's were on it within hours. I'm guessing that'll be a nice place to plant next spring :lol:



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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #18884751 - 09/24/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know if sawdust blocks would be the same as mushroom compost as far as being good for plants,  maybe after being well composted in a compost pile,  but not right away like a precomposted manure.

I bury all my spent substrates in my veggie garden,  but it's more to get the extra flushes.

It's amazing,  I get Cubensis popping up,  5 years later.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: liamtheloser] * 1
    #18885368 - 09/24/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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liamtheloser said: I bury all my spent substrates in my veggie garden,  but it's more to get the extra flushes.




I also bury mine (coffee+cardboard substrate) mainly for extra flushes:



A friend of mine also buries his blocks in his greenhouse garden.

He says that the plants from the inoc'ed beds have a more vigorous growth and don't have to be watered so often.
He also claims that in the summer (30-35ÂșC), the mushrooms also benefit from the plants shade and it's the only way for him to grow oysters without additional hassle:



Last year's spring (2012), I made some experiments adding crumbled spent blocks to my asparagus sub:

Tray 1: seed + compost
Tray 2: seed + compost + ~30% oyster crumbled sub

Results:

Tray 1 sprouted a week later than tray 2.

I went out during a weekend for a workshop and nobody watered the seedlings.
When I returned, the soil from the trays without myc. were dried and plants were dead.

The ones with myc:



Some peppers:



They were transplanted and they got well until the summer "burnt" everything.

Since then, I've been adding oyster compost to every plant: whole block or crumbled.
Never seemed to harm them and sometimes some extra mushrooms come along



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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: FernandoCastro]
    #18888306 - 09/25/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Very cool, i had buried them w/ the intentions of another flush, then the rolly pollies/sew bug's jumped on and it was a lost battle before i could  flush them out and kill them.  So it's been added to the compost.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: FernandoCastro]
    #18888310 - 09/25/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

All that 8 year old info is still valid.  do not think it is outdated or useless.

we, humans, have been composting for thousands of years.  the mechanisms behind the process are well documented. 

Making compost, whether for your garden or mushrooms, is still the same process.  however garden compost can have any organic matter in it and have little negative effect on the plants, where as a compost made of rotten veggies and manure may not be the best for cubensis.

there are literally thousands of ways to go about it.  don't be afraid to give it a show. 

you can't really mess it up that badly, and if you do, you cab use what you habe to restart a different pile.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: omegafaust]
    #18888401 - 09/25/13 09:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yes sir, Thanks Omega! It's saved into my favorites! I have been experimenting w/ a compost pile this year, sunflower's are great to turn my area.  Fixing to throw all my vines and plant's to the mix.  A bit of ash and some fresh manure. :lol: I'll figure it out eventually.

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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: cynical bastad]
    #18888427 - 09/25/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

If its possible run your vines over with a pushmower.  the smaller the pieces the faster they compost.  it is possible to achieve a fully composted pile in 14 days with this method.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: omegafaust]
    #18888509 - 09/25/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

14 days? from start to finish? that doesn't sound realistic...


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: forrest]
    #18888550 - 09/25/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The rodale institue was able to acheive 14. Day compost.  and if you attempt it you sould know its possible.  finely shredded material decomposes at an alarming rate.

but to satisy your non belief, here

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDoQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvric.ucdavis.edu%2Fpdf%2Fcompost_rapidcompost.pdf&ei=fwdDUoj-FsbF2AWNn4HADQ&usg=AFQjCNFhrMxpiYvIgdzLu3qzo6RuN6wvkw


Scientific document verifying that compost can be made in as little as 14 days.  18 being the average.

do some research next time.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: omegafaust]
    #18888779 - 09/25/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i said it doesn't sound realistic because usually they etimate one whole year for warm composting. and even when using a tumbler it would take probably 6 to 8 weeks. but you were right, it is possible, when you can control and monitor the C - N ratios, moisture content and heat. but in real-life for people that's not realistic. but it's nice to know a professor can.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: forrest]
    #18888801 - 09/25/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

How is it not realistic.for average peopl.  you can easily finr the c:n ratios of what your putting in, and anyone who makes compost properly does.  as well as maintimg proper moisture and the like.

However most do not shred all materials and keep up with routine.

its very simple and anyone can do it.  nothing special and no degree necessary.  hell, people on here put more thought and effert into growing fungi than what is required to make 14 day compost.

your comments are spreading misinformation in the sense you make it sound unreasonable and difficult.

its quite the opposite.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: omegafaust]
    #18888898 - 09/25/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

how are you gonna regulate the C N ratios?
i think it would be a coincidence if your waste would be in that composition, and how are you gonna  measure it? every time you mow the lawn or have a spike in N waste, you have to have a lot of paper, sawdust or the like to keep the structure and composition right.
maybe you are right, but people i speak to, who know a lot about composting tell me that it is quite the art to do it that well, conform the theory of ideal conditions, and even then they give longer composting times.
i'm absolutely not trying to demotivate people from composting.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: forrest]
    #18888914 - 09/25/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Those people you speak of must not understand the science behind composting, which accoumts for their.assumption it takes longer

http://www.extsoilcrop.colostate.edu/Soils/powerpoint/compost/carbon_to_nitrogen_ratio.pdf

here is a list of the c:n ratios of.compostable materials.

all you need to do is calculate what amounts you need to arive at the proper c:n ratio.

Build your pile with those materials finely shredded and keep an eye on moisture, simple.

knowing when to gurn is based on heat and moisture. 

i will say it again.  its very simple and anyone can do it.  of course the more you co it fhe better you get. 

i no longer measure the carbom or.nitrogen, i know what i need and how much.

i have cold compost piles, hot compost piles, all from4x4x3-6x6x4.

And then I have my premade piles for quick composting.


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Re: Making Mushroom Compost [Re: forrest]
    #18889028 - 09/25/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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how are you gonna regulate the C N ratios?
i think it would be a coincidence if your waste would be in that composition, and how are you gonna  measure it? every time you mow the lawn or have a spike in N waste, you have to have a lot of paper, sawdust or the like to keep the structure and composition right.
maybe you are right, but people i speak to, who know a lot about composting tell me that it is quite the art to do it that well, conform the theory of ideal conditions, and even then they give longer composting times.
i'm absolutely not trying to demotivate people from composting.





think outside the box my man.  People have been studying this academically for decades now.  There are tomes the size of the OED on compost science.  I did a whole semester of independent study on the topic, and can tell you that I spoke with a company that manufactures an industrial sized composter that they claim will compost food waste in less than 72 hours.  I think it's all about how you want to go about it.  You don't have to do it so fast, and in 72 hours it still probably needs some 'curing', but there are button growers on here that make it for a living.  Listen to them and open your mind, expel preconceived notions on how you think it has to work.


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