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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: barong]
    #18883322 - 09/24/13 01:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

i hope you have some herb to ease the comedown.

if it wasn't for the side effects of meth i would be all for it, but shit fucks you up. no sleep, no hunger, teeth get all fucked from the grinding, and it makes you look and feel like shit the next day. no thank you....."or hey im drunk maybe ill just take one line...."

fuck meth, even though im probably stupid enough to do it again.


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: zZZz]
    #18883729 - 09/24/13 07:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Damn this shit lasts a long time. I just want to sleep at this point. On the plus side my room is clean and I organized years worth of papers.


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: Gumby]
    #18883761 - 09/24/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Gumby said:
Damn this shit lasts a long time. I just want to sleep at this point. On the plus side my room is clean and I organized years worth of papers.





I once (alluded to before) asked my doctor if Desoxyn was really meth wehn I was reading a textbook he suggested to me.

The first words out of his mouth were "Oh, that would last you a LONG time!" lol


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: Gumby]
    #18883768 - 09/24/13 07:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Gumby said:
I always said I would never do meth. But then again I was prescribed dexadrine(dextroampheatmine) for years for learning disabilities, which is pretty damn close to meth. A friend of mine ordered a gram from the interwebs because it's impossible to get in NJ. It was crystals that were clear as glass, I guess normal meth users would call it ice.

I snorted about 15mg of the stuff because I have a VERY low tolerance for all stimulants. It burned a good bit but... Holy shit. My mind is clear as hell and I wanna do stuff. No real euphoria, but damn do I feel motivated. This apartment is going to be cleaner than it was when I moved in. I might build a bookshelf just because I can(no not really, too late to be making noise). Very interesting drug, I can see how people get hooked on it because it just makes you so focused, much more so than any prescription drug and it's not destroying my stomach like prescription amphetamines do. 

Meth... Not that bad... Kinda like super adderall or dexadrine. Like I said though, definitely see why it has a potential for addiction.





Meth is pretty awesome :sun:. There is so much misinformation about it it's amusing. Oral doses remind me of MDMA in a way, only much more energy and dopamine release. And as long as you are careful about your usage there isn't an issue with addiction.


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18883770 - 09/24/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

tymoteusz3 said:
Quote:

Gumby said:
I always said I would never do meth. But then again I was prescribed dexadrine(dextroampheatmine) for years for learning disabilities, which is pretty damn close to meth. A friend of mine ordered a gram from the interwebs because it's impossible to get in NJ. It was crystals that were clear as glass, I guess normal meth users would call it ice.

I snorted about 15mg of the stuff because I have a VERY low tolerance for all stimulants. It burned a good bit but... Holy shit. My mind is clear as hell and I wanna do stuff. No real euphoria, but damn do I feel motivated. This apartment is going to be cleaner than it was when I moved in. I might build a bookshelf just because I can(no not really, too late to be making noise). Very interesting drug, I can see how people get hooked on it because it just makes you so focused, much more so than any prescription drug and it's not destroying my stomach like prescription amphetamines do. 

Meth... Not that bad... Kinda like super adderall or dexadrine. Like I said though, definitely see why it has a potential for addiction.





Meth is pretty awesome :sun:. There is so much misinformation about it it's amusing. Oral doses remind me of MDMA in a way, only much more energy and dopamine release. And as long as you are careful about your usage there isn't an issue with addiction.





What about the whole burning out/destruction of dopamine/receptors, etc.? Stimulant pharmacology is not at all my forte and is a very weak point in my pharmacology knowledge so if that question was off or didn't make sense, that's my bad.

I've just heard stuff about it permanently reducing your ability to feel happy, etc.


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18883783 - 09/24/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I've heard that one before.


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: st1llnox] * 3
    #18883789 - 09/24/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)




I give gumby 3 weeks before hes sellin his ass for his next fix  :lol:


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: st1llnox]
    #18883808 - 09/24/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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st1llnox said:
Quote:

tymoteusz3 said:
Quote:

Gumby said:
I always said I would never do meth. But then again I was prescribed dexadrine(dextroampheatmine) for years for learning disabilities, which is pretty damn close to meth. A friend of mine ordered a gram from the interwebs because it's impossible to get in NJ. It was crystals that were clear as glass, I guess normal meth users would call it ice.

I snorted about 15mg of the stuff because I have a VERY low tolerance for all stimulants. It burned a good bit but... Holy shit. My mind is clear as hell and I wanna do stuff. No real euphoria, but damn do I feel motivated. This apartment is going to be cleaner than it was when I moved in. I might build a bookshelf just because I can(no not really, too late to be making noise). Very interesting drug, I can see how people get hooked on it because it just makes you so focused, much more so than any prescription drug and it's not destroying my stomach like prescription amphetamines do. 

Meth... Not that bad... Kinda like super adderall or dexadrine. Like I said though, definitely see why it has a potential for addiction.





Meth is pretty awesome :sun:. There is so much misinformation about it it's amusing. Oral doses remind me of MDMA in a way, only much more energy and dopamine release. And as long as you are careful about your usage there isn't an issue with addiction.





What about the whole burning out/destruction of dopamine/receptors, etc.? Stimulant pharmacology is not at all my forte and is a very weak point in my pharmacology knowledge so if that question was off or didn't make sense, that's my bad.

I've just heard stuff about it permanently reducing your ability to feel happy, etc.




It's not really an issue if you are not heavily abusing it (and I am not certain it is permanent anyway even with heavy abuse).. Abuse of most drugs that cause dopamine release or dopamine buildup (cocaine) will cause dopamine receptors to be downgraded. This is similar to what happens with opiate abuse or with alcohol / benzo / barbituate abuse (only different receptors).
High doses of meth have been shown to be neurotoxic, but that only really comes with abuse.


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18883833 - 09/24/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well until the Asians and Mexican cartel started distributing much better meth it was made so sloppily and cut.. I mean even then. Unless you are Heisenberg, dabbling with meth is stupid.


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18883835 - 09/24/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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It's not really an issue if you are not heavily abusing it (and I am not certain it is permanent anyway even with heavy abuse).. Abuse of most drugs that cause dopamine release or dopamine buildup (cocaine) will cause dopamine receptors to be downgraded. This is similar to what happens with opiate abuse or with alcohol / benzo / barbituate abuse (only different receptors).
High doses of meth have been shown to be neurotoxic, but that only really comes with abuse.




I figured as much with the downregulation, but I've come across or at least heard hearsay about meth actually changing the structure of your dopamine receptors or something, but that could very well have been drug-war-tard-ese for "chronic exposure to dopaminergics downregulates receptor sites" :shrug:

Would smaller/"therapeutic"(in the case of desoxyn users and OP so far) just be less neurotoxic, or is it kind of negligible till you go overboard?

I'm really going to have to join you guys in ODD.


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: zee007]
    #18883836 - 09/24/13 08:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zee007 said:
Well until the Asians and Mexican cartel started distributing much better meth it was made so sloppily and cut.. I mean even then. Unless you are Heisenberg, dabbling with meth is stupid.




Dammit I got all excited and thought you meant THE Heisenberg... googled and found out it's a breaking bad character :sad:

Fun trivia: my ex-psychdoc studied philosophy under Heisenberg once. I was so excited to get to tell him that Heisenberg was a meth user :lolsy:


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: st1llnox]
    #18883866 - 09/24/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Gumby... goddamit

:huxleyfacepalm:

Why did you do something that fucking stupid???

I always wonder why people still try this shit even though they know its fucking stupid and dangerous... We can't have a methhead mod. I used to respect you man.. now I dunno anymore...


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: Patlal]
    #18883878 - 09/24/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

zee007 said:
Well until the Asians and Mexican cartel started distributing much better meth it was made so sloppily and cut.. I mean even then. Unless you are Heisenberg, dabbling with meth is stupid.




Why?

Quote:

st1llnox said:
Quote:

It's not really an issue if you are not heavily abusing it (and I am not certain it is permanent anyway even with heavy abuse).. Abuse of most drugs that cause dopamine release or dopamine buildup (cocaine) will cause dopamine receptors to be downgraded. This is similar to what happens with opiate abuse or with alcohol / benzo / barbituate abuse (only different receptors).
High doses of meth have been shown to be neurotoxic, but that only really comes with abuse.




I figured as much with the downregulation, but I've come across or at least heard hearsay about meth actually changing the structure of your dopamine receptors or something, but that could very well have been drug-war-tard-ese for "chronic exposure to dopaminergics downregulates receptor sites" :shrug:

Would smaller/"therapeutic"(in the case of desoxyn users and OP so far) just be less neurotoxic, or is it kind of negligible till you go overboard?

I'm really going to have to join you guys in ODD.




Well heavy amphetamine abuse (not just meth, but all amphetamines) can cause inversion of the dopamine transporter. This isn't an issue with non-heavy abuse though.. Small / normal doses are going to be fine.

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Gumby... goddamit

:huxleyfacepalm:

Why did you do something that fucking stupid???

I always wonder why people still try this shit even though they know its fucking stupid and dangerous... We can't have a methhead mod. I used to respect you man.. now I dunno anymore...




Seems kind of presumptuous and judgemental... Many people use meth and are not addicts..


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: Patlal]
    #18883977 - 09/24/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Gumby... goddamit

:huxleyfacepalm:

Why did you do something that fucking stupid???

I always wonder why people still try this shit even though they know its fucking stupid and dangerous... We can't have a methhead mod. I used to respect you man.. now I dunno anymore...




He just wanted to try it, and he can't even get more if he wanted.  Why can't someone try a drug just one time?


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: qman]
    #18883993 - 09/24/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

You really think he couldn't get more if he wanted? :lol:


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: qman] * 2
    #18884004 - 09/24/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Gumby... goddamit

:huxleyfacepalm:

Why did you do something that fucking stupid???

I always wonder why people still try this shit even though they know its fucking stupid and dangerous... We can't have a methhead mod. I used to respect you man.. now I dunno anymore...




He just wanted to try it, and he can't even get more if he wanted.  Why can't someone try a drug just one time?




If an uneducated kid starts doing meth at 16 due to a jackass dealer that convinced him it was awesome, sure, I can tolerate that, the kid didn't have a chance.

But when a grown man, aware of all the dangers willingly tries a drug like meth just to see what it does, that's where I get pissed off. Why would someone that doesn't know what meth does, therefore doesn't crave it, go ahead a potentially add a future of trouble in his life that he spent years to build???

Sure, he might be part of the people strong enough to resist, but why would you fucking risk it!!! There are enough addicts in the street robbing people for pennies as it is. The world doesn't need more problems.

I'm sorry I'm being so harsh, but things like this pisses me off. It's a lack of judgement and self destructive behavior.

Best of luck Gumby, I wish it was just this one time.


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #18884011 - 09/24/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Quote:

qman said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Gumby... goddamit

:huxleyfacepalm:

Why did you do something that fucking stupid???

I always wonder why people still try this shit even though they know its fucking stupid and dangerous... We can't have a methhead mod. I used to respect you man.. now I dunno anymore...




He just wanted to try it, and he can't even get more if he wanted.  Why can't someone try a drug just one time?




If an uneducated kid starts doing meth at 16 due to a jackass dealer that convinced him it was awesome, sure, I can tolerate that, the kid didn't have a chance.

But when a grown man, aware of all the dangers willingly tries a drug like meth just to see what it does, that's where I get pissed off. Why would someone that doesn't know what meth does, therefore doesn't crave it, go ahead a potentially add a future of trouble in his life that he spent years to build???

Sure, he might be part of the people strong enough to resist, but why would you fucking risk it!!! There are enough addicts in the street robbing people for pennies as it is. The world doesn't need more problems.

I'm sorry I'm being so harsh, but things like this pisses me off. It's a lack of judgement and self destructive behavior.

Best of luck Gumby, I wish it was just this one time.




Alcohol is more dangerous, both more damaging (toxic) and also much more addicting.
Many people use meth responsibly and do not have issues. Others cannot control themselves. I trust Gumby is in the former camp. Your position reeks of ignorance to the effects of meth...


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #18884014 - 09/24/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
Gumby... goddamit

:huxleyfacepalm:

Why did you do something that fucking stupid???

I always wonder why people still try this shit even though they know its fucking stupid and dangerous... We can't have a methhead mod. I used to respect you man.. now I dunno anymore...




If I took Desoxyn (prescription meth) instead of the street form, would that make me a meat head?

Meth's really not that different from dextroamphetamine, just a littler "clearer" feeling focus wise. I know plenty of people who have used meth just for studying and haven't become addicted. That said, I feel like absolute dog shit now. Fuck that stuff. The comedown is harsh as hell. Got a hell of a lot done last night though. I'd never have the patience to sort and file papers for 2 hours solid if I hadn't taken anything.

Edit: I've done oxycontin, cocaine, and opium plenty of times... All drugs that people have serious issues with. Guess which one I am addicted to? None of them. It's not black and white with the addiction thing Patlal. Every person is different. I have the self control and reasoning to know that doing a bunch of meth isn't good, so it's not a problem. I feel like shit right now, but I also have a crystal of meth at my disposal. Am I gonna do it? Hell no. I'm gonna go to sleep then wake up and do laundry. Sober.


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: Gumby]
    #18884023 - 09/24/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Gumby said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
Gumby... goddamit

:huxleyfacepalm:

Why did you do something that fucking stupid???

I always wonder why people still try this shit even though they know its fucking stupid and dangerous... We can't have a methhead mod. I used to respect you man.. now I dunno anymore...




If I took Desoxyn (prescription meth) instead of the street form, would that make me a meat head?

Meth's really not that different from dextroamphetamine, just a littler "clearer" feeling focus wise. I know plenty of people who have used meth and haven't become addicted. That said, I feel like absolute dog shit now. Fuck that stuff. The comedown is harsh as hell. Got a hell of a lot done last night though. I'd never have the patience to sort and file papers for 2 hours solid if I hadn't taken anything.




Exactly.
Also, yeah the comedown from amphetamines is harsh.. A little benzo / weed (if you smoke - I don't anymore) goes a long way to making it better.


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Re: Just tried meth for the first time. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #18884024 - 09/24/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly, I think your position reeks of ignorance to the effects of meth. My older brother and I both fell into a meth crowd back in the day. I saw the lives of many of my friends ruined by it. Worst of all, my older brother (who said exactly the same things you guys are saying) got hopelessly hooked. He suffered massive nerve damage to the point where he could never look or behave like a normal human being, even during the periods where he was clean. He always ended up going back to it. One day my dad discovered him in his bedroom in a massive pool of blood after having shot himself in the head.

True story.


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