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Cultivating Amanita Muscaria?
#18880683 - 09/23/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello Shroomery, I am a long time lurker and I finally decided to join after finding some Amanita Muscaria mushrooms yesterday (9-22-13). It feels great to finally join this awesome community!
I have been collecting Amanita Muscaria mushrooms in the mountains of Colorado for over 10 years, but this year I decided to collect specimens to try and cultivate. I have never heard of anyone actually successfully cultivating these beautiful mushrooms so that is the main reason I am here. I need as much advice as I can get to be successful. I don't even know if it's even possible, but if it is,I know there is gonna be a lot of trial and error.
I have 6 specimens ranging all stages of their life cycle except buttons. I have 3 good spore prints and 3 not so good prints from these specimens. I kind of regret not digging the up the vulvas and mycelium , but I always leave that behind to ensure another fruitful season next year. I'm sure I would probably have a better chance of success if I harvested the vulvas and mycelium, but I will try with spores first.
Any advice, tips, or help would be greatly appreciated. I will try to document this process and give frequent updates here. Thanks again!
- Isaac
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: isic]
#18880744 - 09/23/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The A. muscaria is a mycorhizzal fungus meaning it depends on a symbiotic relationship between it's mycelium and a specific tree or set of trees (conifers). Therefore it would be extremely hard to cultivate the species.
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: isic] 1
#18880792 - 09/23/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Amanita Muscaria is sorta like P. semilanceata, you can harvest the fruits and that's about all you can do. That's mycorrhiza at it's best.
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: Durin]
#18880838 - 09/23/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Durin said: The A. muscaria is a mycorhizzal fungus meaning it depends on a symbiotic relationship between it's mycelium and a specific tree or set of trees (conifers). Therefore it would be extremely hard to cultivate the species.
What about spreading spores around pines? It might be a low sucess rate but if the substrate is good enough and your lucky enough it could happen?
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: lsms]
#18880854 - 09/23/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think it's that easy. The soil needs be the right type, temperature, hardness, pH, the roots of the tree that feeds the mushroom needs to be the right places, etc. But by all means, give it all you got, I'm rooting for you.
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: Durin]
#18880858 - 09/23/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think I understand what you mean. Unless you cultivate the mycelium in conjunction with the conifer roots (since the roots of the conifer integrate with the mycelium) the mycelium will not continue to grow or fruit. Unless you are able to inoculate conifer roots with A. muscaria mycelium you wont obtain any fruit.
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: Durin]
#18880871 - 09/23/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are preinoculated trees with truffle mycelium I believe (or I heard about in a far off tale) but like Pestilence said like growing any mushroom there are a ton of factors that determine fruiting and growth. It might be worthwhile to read some papers on cultivation of mycorhizzals. Good luck though I hope you can do it.
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: Durin]
#18880935 - 09/23/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read about a company that sells year old oaks with inoculated with truffles. I guess what I was suggesting was spraying a mycelium/water mixture in an area where Amanita have been known to fruit in hopes of more popping up possibly . Like around here its right on the edges of pine trees and grassy lawns for the most part. I am by no means a culltivator though if you couldn't tell
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: lsms]
#18881126 - 09/23/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, my initial plan is to find out what trees best suit Amanita Muscaria growth and grow one in conjunction with the Amanitas.
As for the trees, I find them in a couple places that have many mixed conifers and I have found them near or around a variety of these conifers so I'm not positive which trees are best suited for Amanita Muscaria growth.
When it comes to the growing medium, oddly enough the bigger more abundant mushrooms I find are in really rocky/sandy dirt that is usually a rocky path/dirt road with very little vegetation present nearby. These tend to be in clusters and are more reddish orange in color, with the white being more yellow.
The Amanita Muscaria mushrooms I find by the river, tend to be in a much more soft soil/dirt and are usually singular with abundant vegetation present nearby. They tend to be smaller, but the color is much more deep blood red with the white having very little yellowing at all. The trees around these Fly's are much bigger than the trees around my other Amanita collecting spot.
With that said, the bigger Fly's I find are about 800-1000 ft higher in elevation than the smaller more red Fly's, and that could explain these differences. I'm not real sure if elevation is a MAJOR key, but the ones I find range from 8000ft-10000ft and I have heard reports of people finding them as low as 6000ft here in the Rockies. I currently live at around 5500ft in elevation so if there is an elevation limit for these mushrooms, I might run into even more obstacles.
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: lsms]
#18881128 - 09/23/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why in the world would anyone want to cultivate those damn things! I tried them years ago and it was a very unpleasant experience. I guess to each their own
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: Stromrider]
#18881232 - 09/23/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, the main reason I want to grow them is because of their beauty. For someone who has been fascinated with mushrooms all my life, having Amanita Muscaria around like someone does with flowers has always been a dream of mine.
Over the years I have taken Amanita Muscaria on a few occasions and never had any bad experiences. I prepare them by steeping the crushed pieces of 3 medium sized sun dried mushrooms in a pot of hot water (do not boil) for about an hour to an hour and a half. After that time, about a third of the water will have evaporated and you will be left with a thicker brown liquid. Mix that in with some cool aid and 3-4 people can have a good 4-6 hour mild trip. It's always been fun for me.
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: isic]
#18881312 - 09/23/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They are an absolutely beautiful specimen. I have a large planted pine forest near my house that gets full of them this time of year
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: Stromrider]
#18882095 - 09/23/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here is a nice pic of one of the Amanita's I found Satuday. This one was found by the river in the soft soil.
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: isic]
#18882139 - 09/23/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here is a pic of some of the Amanita's I find in the rocky/sandy soil. These are a bit older.
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: isic]
#18882179 - 09/23/13 08:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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isic said: Here is a nice pic of one of the Amanita's I found Satuday. This one was found by the river in the soft soil.

Gorgeous
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: isic]
#18882190 - 09/23/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's a wee baby guessowii I found the other day
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: isic]
#18882278 - 09/23/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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We don't have them here. I've seen two, ever. I've been looking for A. muscaria var. persicina and all I can find are a bunch of A. daucipes or A. cokeri. I'm just in a dead zone for A. muscaria, I guess. I live near an oak forest and there are really mainly boletes, A. flavoconia, and I've been finding a fuck-ton of reishis and I found a lion's mane yesterday. They're all really cool but the sausage party down at MH&I doesn't seem to be interested in anything that won't make you high, with the exception of the Amanita sp. or anything gigantic/in gigantic quantities. 
But I digress. No, you can't cultivate A. muscaria, sadly. But you could try this: find some and take note of what kind of trees they're growing by (probably conifers, possibly oak). They're mycorrhizal, which means they can only live by growing over the roots of certain trees in a symbiotic fashion. Find a location nearby your house with conditions that are similar to those where you obtained the mushrooms (near the same kinds of trees) and lay the caps down around the trees like you were making spore prints (well, you are making spore prints). Leave them there for about 24 hours to drop their spores. Then pick up the caps and water the spores into the ground. It's worth a shot.
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: lsms]
#18882305 - 09/23/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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lsms said: Here's a wee baby guessowii I found the other day

It's a nugget!!
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#18882327 - 09/23/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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They make those pre inoculated truffle tree's by planting a new tree by a tree with the mycorhizzal roots and let it sit for a couple years for the roots to be inoculated then the tree is uprooted and used to inoculate new trees
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Re: Cultivating Amanita Muscaria? [Re: PrinceShroom]
#18883547 - 09/24/13 05:35 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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PrinceShroom said: They make those pre inoculated truffle tree's by planting a new tree by a tree with the mycorhizzal roots and let it sit for a couple years for the roots to be inoculated then the tree is uprooted and used to inoculate new trees
They reuse the young trees to inoculate more or the same "parent trees"? Any reading material you could send my way would be sweet. I'm interested in reading more about the lucrative business of truffle inoculation.
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