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Jokeshopbeard
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Is this unnecessarily barbaric?
#18882075 - 09/23/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean I know that one animal invariably has to kill another to survive. I also know that in the west we hardly provide high levels of welfare for the animals we eat, although I feel this is on the increase as people are slowly waking up to it. Admittedly much of it takes place in slaughterhouses so the general public rarely know how the animals are treated.
However, I have seen a few examples of how 'ultimate freshness' is so prized in the east, to the extent which I believe the animals go through unnecessary suffering. I have included an example in the video below:
I'd like to hear your opinions on how you feel about this kind of practice. Is it acceptable in the grand scheme of things or is it barbarism personified?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Is this unnecessarily barbaric? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#18882196 - 09/23/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its called Survival of the Fittest, however our species has bent the rules to their greedy benefit. This isnt survival of the fittest anymore, its survival of the most devious.
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Re: Is this unnecessarily barbaric? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#18882527 - 09/23/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: I mean I know that one animal invariably has to kill another to survive.
Some animals, but not us.
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I also know that in the west we hardly provide high levels of welfare for the animals we eat, although I feel this is on the increase as people are slowly waking up to it. Admittedly much of it takes place in slaughterhouses so the general public rarely know how the animals are treated.
It would be an understatement to say they're "hardly provided with high levels of welfare." Some animals are genetically engineered to eat until they're so fat their legs break under them and the die in the shit of their compatriots. Others live their entire lives in a cage so small they literally can't move. They are, essentially, treated as though they were inanimate objects.
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However, I have seen a few examples of how 'ultimate freshness' is so prized in the east, to the extent which I believe the animals go through unnecessary suffering. I have included an example in the video below:
I'd like to hear your opinions on how you feel about this kind of practice. Is it acceptable in the grand scheme of things or is it barbarism personified?
No more barbaric than factory farming. Also, all meat eating by humans is causing "unnecessary suffering," unless the animal was scavenged. You do not need to eat meat to survive. It's perfectly healthy, viable, and inexpensive to eat a plant-based diet.
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Re: Is this unnecessarily barbaric? [Re: NetDiver]
#18882861 - 09/23/13 11:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: It would be an understatement to say they're "hardly provided with high levels of welfare." Some animals are genetically engineered to eat until they're so fat their legs break under them and the die in the shit of their compatriots. Others live their entire lives in a cage so small they literally can't move. They are, essentially, treated as though they were inanimate objects.
I did not know that the practice of factory farming extended to such a degree as that kind of genetic engineering. I am not surprised, knowing how we have shaped so many species of animals through domestication over the years though.
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Samurai Drifter said: No more barbaric than factory farming. Also, all meat eating by humans is causing "unnecessary suffering," unless the animal was scavenged. You do not need to eat meat to survive. It's perfectly healthy, viable, and inexpensive to eat a plant-based diet.
You make a very good point, and I appreciate your input on this. Having extremely carnivorous tendencies myself it is not something I had considered, however this definitely warrants further consideration.
Thanks again man.
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Re: Is this unnecessarily barbaric? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#18883005 - 09/23/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find that to be a lot less barbaric than many of the practices common in modern agriculture in the west, and many of the other practices that are common in the east. Some of the more barbaric ones from the east off the top of my head are shark fin soup and the skinning of live animals for fur. Practices in the west that are shocking are the forced confinement conditions for the entirety of the life of the animal that also creates huge unnecessary amounts of waste, which truly bothers me since this "waste" is actually a huge input in a traditionally run diversified farm. Instead this "waste" pollutes our environment, and we pump oil out of the ground to create petroleum based fertilizers that have the exact same molecular components as this waste product; it really just boggles ones mind to think about.
I think giving an animal a respectful, enjoyable life with plenty of sunshine and living conditions is perfectly fine btw. Ending an animals life quickly while showing it respect is perfectly fine. Personally, whenever I take an animals life I show it a moment of respect or at least keep it in my thoughts/appreciate its bounty, but at the very least killing it quickly like this video shows seems fine to me. In addition, imo, consuming/utilizing the large majority of the animal is key which just does not happen in modern agriculture, I cannot believe the number of people who revolt at eating some of the tastiest parts of traditionally raised animals.
Edited by stanski (09/23/13 11:34 PM)
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