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Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/20/us/teens-attack-mom-spokane/index.html
(CNN) -- Two teenagers -- 13 and 14 years old -- are in custody in Spokane, Washington, and the mother of one of the teens is recuperating in a hospital after she was attacked by the boys following a pill-taking episode, authorities said.
The boys apparently had planned to kill the woman, who is the 13-year-old's mother, and eat her liver, Spokane County Sheriff's Deputy Craig Chamberlin told CNN Friday.
"The 14-year-old came up with the idea of, 'Hey, let's rip her open and eat her liver,' but it never happened," said Chamberlin. Instead, the older boy allegedly beat the woman with the handle of a sword, Chamberlin said, adding, "I think that was their original plan, to cut her open, but then they changed their minds."
The woman was left bloodied with head injuries after the incident Tuesday, and remained hospitalized Friday in stable condition at a local hospital.
The boys were arrested after a crime spree that included auto theft, burglary and vandalism, authorities said.
According to Chamberlin:
The injured woman was found in her home by deputies responding to call; nearby were two knives and a sword with a bent handle. After deputies found no sign of forced entry into the woman's house, a manhunt was launched for the two teenagers.
Deputies were called to the home of the 14-year-old's father when the man realized his 2005 Dodge Durango SUV was missing, and shortly afterward a call came in about a vehicle hit-and-run. The Durango was found at the accident scene but the teenagers were not.
Deputies then received a call of a residential burglary in process.
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"The place was damaged. There were kicked holes in the wall," Chamberlin said, "Just malicious mischief."
A state patrol trooper spotted the two teens running from the scene of the burglary, they were caught and arrested.
The teens, whose names were not released, were booked on juvenile charges of second-degree assault, taking a motor vehicle without permission, residential burglary , second-degree malicious mischief and hit-and-run, Chamberlin said.
The son of the injured woman later told deputies that he had been taking "blue pills" and would never do anything like the alleged crimes while sober," according to Chamberlin.
"It could be anything, it could be ecstasy, it had to have been some type of opium, hallucinogen...We were never able to collect any (pills)," Chamberlin said.
Both teens have been appointed public defenders.
CNN did not receive an immediate response from the Spokane County public defender's office Friday.
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it could be some kind of opium or hallucinogen
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: Fuckspice]
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My guess would be a benzo blackout.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: Lizard Eyes]
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Opium? Benzos?
I would have thought it would have to be something a bit more exotic... seroquel, RCs, or some shit.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
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Honestly my only experience with benzo's is one Kpin in my entire life. So I don't really even know what they are like I just know I've heard tons of really crazy stories happening on benzo blackouts.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: Lizard Eyes]
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Lizard Eyes said:

Honestly my only experience with benzo's is one Kpin in my entire life. So I don't really even know what they are like I just know I've heard tons of really crazy stories happening on benzo blackouts.
Yeah, there's even an episode of Juvies a lot like the second part of this news story, where a teenage boy blacked out on Xanax and was found robbing a house (which he doesn't remember).
Eating people though... that's more K2, PCP, cathinones and analogues... MDPV and shit. 
I hope the mom's okay.
Can you POSSIBLY imagine coming out of a Kpin blackout and finding out you'd tried to kill your own mother and put her in the hospital? 
I feel bad for the kids too, but they're obviously way too young to be doing much of anything drugs-wise.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
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Um not opiates lol.. benzo blackouts usually cause inability to control motor sense so that's out, maybe some CCC's or DXM or some gnar gnar RC
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
#18882738 - 09/23/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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st1llnox said: MDPV
The bathsalts guy had NOTHING in his system except weed. But Weed didnt cause it, and neither did bathsalts. He was just crazy
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: xbloodwhipx] 2
#18882759 - 09/23/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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or he had an undetectable RC or noid rage or it was really a zombie
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: xbloodwhipx]
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st1llnox said: MDPV
The bathsalts guy had NOTHING in his system except weed. But Weed didnt cause it, and neither did bathsalts. He was just crazy
There's usually something up when people go that crazy. Watch the MDPV episode of Intervention though... it's sufficient to make people psychotic alone.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
#18882789 - 09/23/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yah, prolly some wierd RC
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: vandago]
#18882795 - 09/23/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah it was probably ecstasy. Because ecstasy does that. Yeah. Ecstasy.
Or opium, because that's just so prevalent now days
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: Ok amoismis]
#18882962 - 09/23/13 11:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cloud 9 brand bath salt
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: xbloodwhipx]
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: Repertoire89]
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I don't think it was the drugs...
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#18883306 - 09/24/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe his mom was a bitch
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: vandago]
#18883456 - 09/24/13 03:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree with alyobro, lmao there's some craaazy mother fuckers out there  i mean they obviously stole that truck because they had "something to do..." which was apparently fill themselves with the organs of the 13 yr old's mother. THIS IS A FUCKED UP STORY atleast the mom is okay though, scarred for life i'm sure
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: Gorlax]
#18884722 - 09/24/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: Um not opiates lol.. benzo blackouts usually cause inability to control motor sense so that's out, maybe some CCC's or DXM or some gnar gnar RC
Not true. People, myself included, get up and get into all kinds of shit while fully blacked out. It's true you could take enough that you would just lose consciousness, but there's a wide margin between taking enough to black out and taking enough not to be able to do anything. I'm not saying I think these kids were on benzos though. Maybe they are just serious dipshits and trying to blame their behavior on a drug?
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: dokunai]
#18884768 - 09/24/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I miss read the title as the teens wanting to eat the liver of the mom to get high because she was taking a lot of pills...
But immediately realized how dumb that was, but in this day and age who knows what goes down haha
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: vandago]
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Maybe they watched Silence of the Lambs and wanted to see what her liver tasted like with some fava beans and a nice chianti. F-F-F-F-F!
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Errolscool said: I miss read the title as the teens wanting to eat the liver of the mom to get high because she was taking a lot of pills...
But immediately realized how dumb that was but in this day and age, who knows what goes down haha
You win lol. Reminds me of the end of Limitless.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
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This is nuts!!! I agree though this has GOT to be the work of CCC's or something, doesn't look like there was much stable brain activity here lol.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: PNW FunGuy]
#18886230 - 09/24/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Addys can be blue and can cause psychosis. Then again since the police heard blue they automatically assume oxy I bet.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: dark3st]
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Coulda been anything..some people have really weird metabolisms and can turn psycho from just huffin the pot..but when shit like this happens its usually always due to a dormant mental illness that the drug simply "activates," just like how a hit of crack or meth can expose a dormant heart defect.
Personally though I think the kids just made the blue pills up because they were too ashamed to admit they were chuggin' robitussin
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: redflackal]
#18888323 - 09/25/13 08:49 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bro you have a cannabis inhaler?
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redflackal said: Coulda been anything..some people have really weird metabolisms and can turn psycho from just huffin the pot..but when shit like this happens its usually always due to a dormant mental illness that the drug simply "activates," just like how a hit of crack or meth can expose a dormant heart defect.
Personally though I think the kids just made the blue pills up because they were too ashamed to admit they were chuggin' robitussin 
There's absolutely no basis whatsoever for this that I've yet encountered.
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redflackal said: Coulda been anything..some people have really weird metabolisms and can turn psycho from just huffin the pot..but when shit like this happens its usually always due to a dormant mental illness that the drug simply "activates," just like how a hit of crack or meth can expose a dormant heart defect.
Personally though I think the kids just made the blue pills up because they were too ashamed to admit they were chuggin' robitussin 
I'm a notorious DXM head. If dextromethorphan was involved AT ALL, I'll eat the bottle next trip. 
CCCs, though... antihistamines are known to be delirients. Viking berserkers too were on delirients when they'd charge haphazardly into battle like a human blender of other humans, so you might be half right 
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Can't wait till you get banned (it's okay; he has me on ignore).
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CCCs, though... antihistamines are known to be delirients. Viking berserkers too were on delirients when they'd charge haphazardly into battle like a human blender of other humans, so you might be half right 
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: vandago]
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I seriously doubt it was MDMA.
In any case, it probably wasn't the drugs alone anyway.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: Synthe]
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There's absolutely no basis whatsoever for this that I've yet encountered.
It's a write-off for "drugs make you crazy".
You've never met an acid-head in a detox ward. Or heard of the phrase "amphetamine psychosis."
If you don't think drugs can make you crazy you've just been doing shitty drugs
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: redflackal]
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There's absolutely no basis whatsoever for this that I've yet encountered.
It's a write-off for "drugs make you crazy".
You've never met an acid-head in a detox ward. Or heard of the phrase "amphetamine psychosis."
If you don't think drugs can make you crazy you've just been doing shitty drugs 
Source some peer reviewed research articles demonstrating that LSD can cause psychosis
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: Repertoire89]
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Recent study on this site shows no increase risk of psychosis in a sample of 22k people out of a bunch more.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: dark3st]
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I've been researching HPPD a lot.
The incidence of psychosis that lasts longer than 48 hours is 1.8 in 1000, although they used psychosis a bit loosely.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
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I really can't believe some of the stupid-ass responses in this thread.
Sure, some drugs can exacerbate a pre-existing crazy. In fact, most drugs can, to one degree or another.
Then there are some drugs that can somewhat more reliably make people go a little delusional if they use them in crazy binge amounts for an extended period (MDPV, amphetamines, etc)
Then, there are much more rare cases where someone takes a drug and just seems to snap in a weird way. Certain drugs are also more closely associated with this phenomenon. Think "Big Lurch."
However... for 2 young boys to both go crazy... the same kind of off-the-wall, murderous crazy? That seems a bit more extreme. And I have a hard time seeing any of the above fitting into such a scenario. Both boys would have to be equally delusional, or out of it, or one just going along with a more delusional other...
And did no one find it suspicious that no drugs were found, and the boy described what they took as "lots of blue pills?" That, to me, almost sounds like the answer of a drug-naive teenager. Maybe they're both just crazy little shits, and this was their pre-meditated, half-assed Columbine, and their plan was to blame it on drugs, to try to get a reduced sentence. I dunno... that sounds kinda weak too. But so does this whole episode. Really weird, and fucked up. Shame, that it's just going to give "drugs" a worse name. Be an even bigger shame if these two little psychos are just lying about the drugs. 
I'd love to see toxicology on these crazy little shits.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: CidneyIndole]
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They could have also brought up the liver thing to hopefully get some sort of insanity plea deal.
It would be very difficult to establish that drugs can bring out pre-existing conditions that were dormant before; this could be indistinguishable from the drug simply making someone crazy (your allusion to some drugs just having rare effects).
People also go along with some really crazy shit, so only one needed to be crazy crazy providing the other one was constitutionally wimpy or better yet, wimpy and on some sort of drugs.
If you know of any good studies on drugs bringing out "pre-existing conditions" that weren't like, already there and known, I'd love to see them (although I don't count a study saying something as being necessarily sufficient for establishing something).
I think for people living with certain conditions, namely psychotic ones like schizophrenia, they can certainly cause problems they're dealing with to be worse or add new problems to the mix (but these are the same new problems everyone can potentially be prone to; it might be that they're more susceptible but this is speculation on my part).
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
#18898252 - 09/27/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anyone ever notice that a lot of murderous people come from Washington state?
Lots of serial killers and random acts of violence. Curiouser and curiouser.
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Re: Two teens attack one's mom, plan to eat her liver after pill binge, deputy says [Re: st1llnox]
#18898892 - 09/27/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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st1llnox said: They could have also brought up the liver thing to hopefully get some sort of insanity plea deal.
It would be very difficult to establish that drugs can bring out pre-existing conditions that were dormant before; this could be indistinguishable from the drug simply making someone crazy (your allusion to some drugs just having rare effects).
People also go along with some really crazy shit, so only one needed to be crazy crazy providing the other one was constitutionally wimpy or better yet, wimpy and on some sort of drugs.
If you know of any good studies on drugs bringing out "pre-existing conditions" that weren't like, already there and known, I'd love to see them (although I don't count a study saying something as being necessarily sufficient for establishing something).
I think for people living with certain conditions, namely psychotic ones like schizophrenia, they can certainly cause problems they're dealing with to be worse or add new problems to the mix (but these are the same new problems everyone can potentially be prone to; it might be that they're more susceptible but this is speculation on my part).
I think all of your points are generally fair. And as to your question-- no, I don't know of any off-hand and I'm presently feeling too lazy to look it up. But from all the crap I've read, I thought it was accepted general knowledge that various drugs could exacerbate or "bring out" dormant mental illness. That said, your wording struck me as odd....
That being, if I know of any studies on drugs bringing out pre-existing conditions that weren't "already there and known." I find this strange, because "already there" is pretty much the very definition of "pre-existing."
This, I have actually seen in personal experience. I've known IRL and talked to people who seemed normal, or thought they were "normal" before experimenting with pot or psychedelics in their teens / 20's, only to (afterward) be diagnosed with something like schizophrenia. It definitely happens, and I'm sure there are studies out there. I just can't think of any.
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