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what are the ups and downs for linux? which do you prefer?
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Ubuntu linux: firefox, openoffice by default, you can customize it to look 100% like win7 if you want - you won't be able to see a difference in any programs (someone leaked the win7 theme)
ubuntu is very secure, almost impossible to get a virus on (no need for antivirus that slows down your pc), gets faster the more time you use it (due to updates), never gets slowed down from installing new programs usually (unlike windows)
Debian linux: ubuntu done right 
haven't tried win7 much yet, but it was confusing for me and I've used many windows, xp,vista,2000,me,3.11,98,95 wasn't easy to setup a network printer between 2 pcs that actually worked
the reasons for GNU/linux is ussually: freedom(free software vs windows that is proprietary), customizeability, better office/surf experience, more secure
windows is usually better if you play games a lot
chose from what you use your pc for I would chose windows for gaming only, or ubuntu or another linux for surfing/office work/music/video/youtube/facebook etc. (ubuntu has newest firefox always)
if you chose linux, just game the good native linux games: quake(runs faster than on windows) , but starcraft and starcraft2 works perfectly too in wine , or halflife/cs1.5 etc. most games work in linux too, but not all at first try.. you have to try it to know (or check appdb @ winehq.com)
ubuntu comes with solitare and minesweeper for all your gaming needs by default ;-)
$0 vs $200-300 , I would chose ubuntu , seems like a nobrainer to me, ubuntu is just as good/userfriendly for newbies you can't crack win7 easily I think, but maybe I am wrong about that microsoft don't let you fetch updates then... just like they don't for xp if you crack that
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I prefer ubuntu but am using win 7 now only because there were a few windows programs I couldn't get to run in wine or playonlinux.
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mio said: you can't crack win7 easily I think, but maybe I am wrong about that microsoft don't let you fetch updates then... just like they don't for xp if you crack that
win 7 is very easy to crack. almost all win 7 torrent come with a crack. they boot ur pc in a small home brew os system to get into windows and crack it. you can also get the craks without the whole os. just dont get pissy when the crack shows as a virus. lots of good cracks do that. (got to change some files you know.)
and yes a properly cracked win 7 will let u get updates. hell i get tired of them.
im running a craked win 7 right now... amount paid? $0.00
i have heard lots of good things about linux other then some compatibility issues witch seem to be less and less i just havent messed with it.
hell if u do a little research u can boot a linux os from a flash drive (get to have win 7 and linux on pc without choosing one or the other every start up. and can boot a friends pc in linux at any time.)
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Not Responding said: what are the ups and downs for linux? which do you prefer?
Windows 7.
I started to dual boot windows XP and various linux distributions and it just drove me nuts after a while. I will say I do like to game a lot on the PC so that was a big problem. After windows 7 came out I said "fuck you linux".
Windows 7 is nice and stable.
Linux has it's place. It can be a beutiful OS but... once MS made a proper OS I didn't look back.
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Windows machines if you want to game, and the like. But honestly, Linux trumps everything, however it takes some getting used to.
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Re: Windows 7 vs Linux [Re: 4runner] 1
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anunnakian said:
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Windows 7.
I started to dual boot windows XP and various linux distributions and it just drove me nuts after a while. I will say I do like to game a lot on the PC so that was a big problem. After windows 7 came out I said "fuck you linux".
Windows 7 is nice and stable.
Linux has it's place. It can be a beutiful OS but... once MS made a proper OS I didn't look back.
from what i understand the latest linux are much more user friendly but the more u know pcs/basic coding and general file diving (just made theat term up) linux will benefit you exponentially
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i would honestly only choose windows over linux if there were computer programs that specifically required windows to run properly, and i needed to be able to run these programs
linux can take a little bit of troubleshooting--especially when it comes to the occasional compatability issue--but is by far a much better OS, as detailed in mio's post.
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im downloading linux mint now...
gana give it a go. im pretty computer savvy so we will see.
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Are you computer savy with windows? Because Linux is a totally different beast; I suggest you learn the CLI, and the command line commands as that's when Linux truly shines. X Server is for scrubs.
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some food for thought:
of the worlds 10 fastest supercomputers, 100% run forms of linux of the worlds 500 fastest supercomputers, 96% run forms of linux (with unix as the runner up at 3%)
if you consider adroid smartphones, linux is the worlds most common OS, holding something like 40% of the market share
the US military runs a version of linux as their go to OS
there is even talk that steam is planning to move into linux as a gaming platform (due to windows store/xbox live cutting into their traditional market, most likely)--so one of linux's largest pitfalls, the gaming experience, may be due to change soon-- http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/gabe-newell-linux-is-the-future-of-gaming-new-hardware-coming-soon/
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shivas.wisdom said: some food for thought:
of the worlds 10 fastest supercomputers, 100% run forms of linux of the worlds 500 fastest supercomputers, 96% run forms of linux (with unix as the runner up at 3%)
if you consider adroid smartphones, linux is the worlds most common OS, holding something like 40% of the market share
the US military runs a version of linux as their go to OS
there is even talk that steam is planning to move into linux as a gaming platform (due to windows store/xbox live cutting into their traditional market, most likely)--so one of linux's largest pitfalls, the gaming experience, may be due to change soon-- http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/gabe-newell-linux-is-the-future-of-gaming-new-hardware-coming-soon/
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im surfing shroomery using linux mint now...
got damn this fucker is fast
brand new win 7 times two fast...
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shivas.wisdom said: some food for thought:
of the worlds 10 fastest supercomputers, 100% run forms of linux of the worlds 500 fastest supercomputers, 96% run forms of linux (with unix as the runner up at 3%)
if you consider adroid smartphones, linux is the worlds most common OS, holding something like 40% of the market share
the US military runs a version of linux as their go to OS
there is even talk that steam is planning to move into linux as a gaming platform (due to windows store/xbox live cutting into their traditional market, most likely)--so one of linux's largest pitfalls, the gaming experience, may be due to change soon-- http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/09/gabe-newell-linux-is-the-future-of-gaming-new-hardware-coming-soon/
Sounds great if I want to run a hand held super computer military grade device. 
Linux is great, but remember, just like windows you have to be proactive. The only reason windows gets hacked more is because it has a huge chunk of the market. Installing ubuntu and thinking you are impervious is a false sense of security.
Now when are those Chinese phones going to hit the market?
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Re: Windows 7 vs Linux [Re: 4runner]
#18883133 - 09/24/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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My netbook is 4 times faster in ubuntu than windows 7
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Windows is more stable than Linux but its also tapping your keyboard and sending everything you ever typed to the NSA, GCHQ and the like.
Plus learning Linux is interesting. I'm doing the basics right now at debian.org
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I found out one advantage of Linux over Windows. In Linux everything starts with / and everything else is a subdirectory. In windows you've got A:\, C:\, D:\, E:\ etc
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Re: Windows 7 vs Linux [Re: Asante]
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WINDOWS 7
A plugin is required to view this. I click install plugin and it tells me no plugins available. Fucking annoying bro
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Re: Windows 7 vs Linux [Re: Asante]
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i love that song!
is that robot real? creepy... a billion dollar drink dispenser. nice...
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Yup an actually real robot. The future AI's will be outraged that their oldest ancestor's first task is a menial slave chore of serving drinks to carbon lifeforms. But yeah, hes real.
*notices he assigned gender to a machine*
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Re: Windows 7 vs Linux [Re: Asante]
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i just watched the whole video again looking for a wee wee and at the very end i realized that you were referring to your own comment.
i feel dirty.
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okay, so im going to install linux this weekend. i hear red hat is the way to go. any suggestions? whats the easiest way to transition over?
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go with ubuntu
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i know a simple search will tell me, but whats the dif between the two? why are you suggesting ubuntu over redhat?
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My issue with Linux is that VLC is the only "decent" universal media player. Ugh just thinking about having to use VLC is making me irritated. I use my PC for a home theater media center and I do all my TV/movie watching on my PC on my TV so the media player options are a top priority. If/when PotPlayer is available on Linux I'm switching that day.
Ubuntu and Mint are both good for the first Linux experience since they both have a pretty nicely polished UI. If you're used to Windows then I'd go with Mint and I'd go with Ubuntu if you're used to OSX. JMHO.
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I've never used redhat but ubuntu has the ubuntu software center that is pretty much a one stop shop for most apps you need.
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hmmm... ill do a little bit of research, but it sounds like mint might be the way to go.
whats wrong with VLC? i use vlc for my movie pleasures...
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It sucks, especially in the customization department. Daum PotPlayer is in every single way better, especially the ability to map out which mouse buttons do what.
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coolio!
still rockin the old school stash and bangin fat taco bell chicks?
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Fuck ubuntu and redhat/fedora, get Debian (like gnome or xfce).
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Could someone explain to me this drwxrwxrwx shit
There's this chmod command that can be coupled to a 3-4 digit wide octal code to change file/directory permissions throught the root user terminal.
Sometimes I get shit like -r--r--T-- or rw-r--S or something like that. What are the T's and S' for?
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mellowparty said: Could someone explain to me this drwxrwxrwx shit
There's this chmod command that can be coupled to a 3-4 digit wide octal code to change file/directory permissions throught the root user terminal.
Sometimes I get shit like -r--r--T-- or rw-r--S or something like that. What are the T's and S' for?
Each set of "rwx" stands for "read, write, execute" permission bits for a particular user. The first group is for the owner of the file, the second group is for the group of the file, and the third group is for everybody. For example:
rwxrw-r--
Means that:
File' owner: can read, write, and execute the file
File's group: can read and write the file
Everybody else: can only read the file
Each group represents a binary code of three digits. To set the permissions of a file to be equal to the above would be:
chmod 764 <filename>
The d at the start in your examples means it is a directory. There are other letters as well that can go on the front (it is called the "sticky" bit), but that's more advanced. You should do some basic reading on the UNIX filesystem and OS.
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now i the three rwx sets
But what about this:
$ ls -l /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /dev/ppp /usr/sbin/exim4 crw------T 1 root root 108, 0 Oct 16 20:57 /dev/ppp -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2761 Aug 30 10:38 /etc/passwd -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 1695 Aug 30 10:38 /etc/shadow -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 973824 Sep 23 20:04 /usr/sbin/exim4 $ ls -ld /tmp /var/tmp /usr/local /var/mail /usr/src drwxrwxrwt 14 root root 20480 Oct 16 21:25 /tmp drwxrwsr-x 10 root staff 4096 Sep 29 22:50 /usr/local drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Oct 11 00:28 /usr/src drwxrwsr-x 2 root mail 4096 Oct 15 21:40 /var/mail drwxrwxrwt 3 root root 4096 Oct 16 21:20 /var/tmp
I can see s and t (and a c in the first one). What are these letters for?
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I'm not exactly sure, but it's something to do with devices. Notice the path is /dev - that means is it a device, and they have a lot of extra / different behaviour from regular files.
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That was just an example I found while trying to figure out this problem. I decided to try with a simple file
For the purpose I created a file #touch testfile #nano testfile (and added some junk as filling, its probably irrelevant tho)
# ls -l total 4 -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 31 Sep 26 01:45 testfile # chmod 774 testfile # ls -l total 4 -rwxrwxr-- 1 root root 31 Sep 26 01:45 testfile # chmod 770 testfile # ls -l total 4 -rwxrwx--- 1 root root 31 Sep 26 01:45 testfile # chmod 1770 testfile # ls -l total 4 -rwxrwx--T 1 root root 31 Sep 26 01:45 testfile # chmod 770 testfile # ls -l total 4 -rwxrwx--- 1 root root 31 Sep 26 01:45 testfile # chmod 7770 testfile # ls -l total 4 -rwsrws--T 1 root root 31 Sep 26 01:45 testfile
The first digit in the chmod command seems to be optional and only when I decide to add a value corresponding to the first digit you get these T's and S' as you can from what I've done above.
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Type "man chmod" and read 
Alternately http://linux.die.net/man/1/chmod
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OK I did some reading and it turns out these are special permission bits:
The set user ID bit (s or S instead of user's x)
The set group ID bit (s or S instead of group's x)
The sticky bit (t or T instead of other's x)
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Here the output of "ls -l" for these bits is capitalized if execution bits hidden by these outputs are unset
I guess that sort of explain the capital T but I have no idea what unset means
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Cant go wrong with linux. Been running Gentoo for a month today and its been the greatest pc experience ever besides finishing my first build. I almost never boot up windows unless im going to game. Ubuntu is a great place to start if u want to turn to the darkness
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Re: Windows 7 vs Linux [Re: xpl0de]
#18891016 - 09/25/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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im thinking mint.
just not sure where to start. the only thing i really need to save are the pics. i also dont want to dual boot.
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You can consider crunchbang too if you want something ubuntu based, but lightweight.
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Re: Windows 7 vs Linux [Re: Byrain]
#18895043 - 09/26/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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so i decided to go with mint 15 and downloaded the image so i can boot from cd just to give it a test run. my next step was to install along side win7 and slowly transfer all my files. never made it far though...
for some reason the cd will not boot...
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What goes wrong? What iso did you specifically burn? Did you do a md5sum check?
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Re: Windows 7 vs Linux [Re: Byrain]
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Could also be an issue with the boot order, that can be changed by going into the BIOS settings by pressing a certain key right after the computer turns on (usually it will say which key onscreen.) The optical drive should be higher on the list than the hard drive. If other bootable CDs/DVDs work then it's probably a problem with that CD.
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