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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18880564 - 09/23/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
Ted Cruz announces he will fillibuster the house CR bill, because he knows the defunding segment will be taken out of it after cloture.

:lolsy:

No radical right?  He's filibustering his own ideas.  That's it, I'm done, I'm going home.








Are you slow?  He is going to filibuster Reid's bill which is amended from the House bill to include Obamacare funding.  If Reid amends the bill it isn't the House bill anymore, is it?

The people who write for Mother Jones are clearly fucking stupid.

If most of the people don't want Obamacare how is opposing Obamacare radical?


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18880784 - 09/23/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The People, in every poll I see, do not want Obamacare.  Ergo the House of Representatives is doing what it is supposed to do.  Represent the Paople.  The Dems in the Senate and Obama are not.




Well it's pretty amazing that last year  when people went to the poll that really matters to cast a vote they voted for ..... Obama  rather than Romney who clearly stated over and over ill stop obama care ...  Is Carl Rove doing the math from these polls from you guys ? Cause according to his polls Romney was gunna win .

Anyway , Wat polls are you looking at ? Local redneck town polls.

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A new poll finds most Americans oppose GOP efforts to defund Obamacare.

A CNBC All-America Economic Survey released Monday finds 44 percent generally oppose defunding President Obama's signature healthcare reform law, with 38 percent in support.

When respondents are asked about the possibility of a government shutdown or default, opposition to defunding Obamacare rises to 59 percent, with 19 percent in favor.

The poll comes days after the GOP-controlled House passed a spending bill to keep government funded through mid-December, but which cuts blocks funds for healthcare reform.




You mean the ones you chose to see, this is the most recent one I could find. Now if you go all the way back to November

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Z. Byron Wolf Nov 13, 2012, 1:50 PM
A record low number of American voters want to see the Affordable Care Act - Obamacare - repealed, according to a new post-election poll conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Obamacare was not the top issue driving American to vote, although nearly seven in 10 Americans cited it as a "major factor" in their decision choosing between the candidates, according to Kaiser. Voters who listed Obamacare as a major factor were evenly split between Republican Mitt Romney, 47 percent, and President Obama, 46 percent.




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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18880789 - 09/23/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Zap, why don't you update your signature to show the reduction in deficit?  Plus, the FY2009 budget was Bush's, why does it show it as Obama's?


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18880825 - 09/23/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Are you slow?  He is going to filibuster Reid's bill which is amended from the House bill to include Obamacare funding.  If Reid amends the bill it isn't the House bill anymore, is it?

The people who write for Mother Jones are clearly fucking stupid.

If most of the people don't want Obamacare how is opposing Obamacare radical?





Uh, what?  Once cloture is taken amendments can be passed with 51 votes.  He will be filibustering the house bill, as it stands right now, so that no amendments can be made.

You say the people at Mother Jones are fucking stupid? Yet you link to The Blaze and Fox News?  Pot, meet kettle.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/ted-cruz-s-playbook-filibuster-the-house-cr-20130922?mrefid=mostViewed

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2013/0923/Ted-Cruz-moment-of-truth-What-s-his-new-path-to-victory

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If Senator Reid doesn’t agree to do that – and he won’t, because he doesn’t have to – then “a vote for cloture is a vote for Obamacare," writes Cruz. In other words, Cruz and his allies will try to filibuster the bill at their first opportunity, even if it’s word-for-word identical to the version passed by the Republican-controlled House.





Are you slow?    :dumblol:


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: psilynut]
    #18880876 - 09/23/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The People, in every poll I see, do not want Obamacare.  Ergo the House of Representatives is doing what it is supposed to do.  Represent the Paople.  The Dems in the Senate and Obama are not.




Well it's pretty amazing that last year  when people went to the poll that really matters to cast a vote they voted for ..... Obama  rather than Romney who clearly stated over and over ill stop obama care ...  Is Carl Rove doing the math from these polls from you guys ? Cause according to his polls Romney was gunna win .




I don't recall it being a 1 issue election.  I might point out that Scott Walker was elected Senator in Massafuckingchusetts specifically because of Obamacare.  The People elected Republicans all over the country.  Their vote counts too.  That's why we don't have a dictatorial Presidency.  Capisce.
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Anyway , Wat polls are you looking at ? Local redneck town polls.




http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/15/20506193-poll-obamacare-remains-highly-unpopular-as-implementation-looms?lite

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A large number of Americans continue to adamantly oppose the nation’s new health-care law and believe it will produce damaging results, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

Forty-four percent of respondents call the health-care law a bad idea, while 31 percent believe it's a good idea -- virtually unchanged from July's NBC/WSJ survey.

By a 45 percent to 23 percent margin, Americans say it will have a negative impact on the country's health-care system rather than a positive one.




http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/16/usa-today-pew-poll-health-care-law-opposition/2817169/

53 to 42 disapproval.
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A new poll finds most Americans oppose GOP efforts to defund Obamacare.

A CNBC All-America Economic Survey released Monday finds 44 percent generally oppose defunding President Obama's signature healthcare reform law, with 38 percent in support.

When respondents are asked about the possibility of a government shutdown or default, opposition to defunding Obamacare rises to 59 percent, with 19 percent in favor.

The poll comes days after the GOP-controlled House passed a spending bill to keep government funded through mid-December, but which cuts blocks funds for healthcare reform.




See that bolded part?  That is a push poll if I ever saw one.
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You mean the ones you chose to see, this is the most recent one I could find. Now if you go all the way back to November




I see real ones.  NBC and USA Today are certainly not right wing shills.
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Z. Byron Wolf Nov 13, 2012, 1:50 PM
A record low number of American voters want to see the Affordable Care Act - Obamacare - repealed, according to a new post-election poll conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation.








I never heard of the Kaiser Family Foundation.  Is that a local redneck town poll?
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Obamacare was not the top issue driving American to vote, although nearly seven in 10 Americans cited it as a "major factor" in their decision choosing between the candidates, according to Kaiser. Voters who listed Obamacare as a major factor were evenly split between Republican Mitt Romney, 47 percent, and President Obama, 46 percent.




Yes, I know that.  I believe that refutes your point that Obama got elected so he can be king.  This sentence you just posted establishes that.  For people who thought it was a major factor, more of them voted for Romney even though he lost.  Kind of dilutes your point, doesn't it?

The people don't want it.  They don't like it and even the NY Times is reporting that it is a disaster in the making.
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/23/revelation-from-the-nyt-obamacare-is-going-to-mean-fewer-choices/


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18880885 - 09/23/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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zappaisgod said:
Are you slow?  He is going to filibuster Reid's bill which is amended from the House bill to include Obamacare funding.  If Reid amends the bill it isn't the House bill anymore, is it?

The people who write for Mother Jones are clearly fucking stupid.

If most of the people don't want Obamacare how is opposing Obamacare radical?





Uh, what?  Once cloture is taken amendments can be passed with 51 votes.  He will be filibustering the house bill, as it stands right now, so that no amendments can be made.

You say the people at Mother Jones are fucking stupid? Yet you link to The Blaze and Fox News?  Pot, meet kettle.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/ted-cruz-s-playbook-filibuster-the-house-cr-20130922?mrefid=mostViewed

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2013/0923/Ted-Cruz-moment-of-truth-What-s-his-new-path-to-victory

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If Senator Reid doesn’t agree to do that – and he won’t, because he doesn’t have to – then “a vote for cloture is a vote for Obamacare," writes Cruz. In other words, Cruz and his allies will try to filibuster the bill at their first opportunity, even if it’s word-for-word identical to the version passed by the Republican-controlled House.





Are you slow?    :dumblol:




Cruz can insist on no more amendments before a cloture vote.  Reid can absolutely do that if he wants a cloture vote.  The ball is in Reid's court.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18880948 - 09/23/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't recall it being a 1 issue election.  I might point out that Scott Walker was elected Senator in Massafuckingchusetts specifically because of Obamacare.  The People elected Republicans all over the country.  Their vote counts too.  That's why we don't have a dictatorial Presidency.  Capisce.





:orly:

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Cruz can insist on no more amendments before a cloture vote.  Reid can absolutely do that if he wants a cloture vote.  The ball is in Reid's court.





So, Reid can completely bend over and cave to Cruz's demands, otherwise it is his fault.  Why doesn't Cruz just completely bend over and cave to Reid's demands? 

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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18881090 - 09/23/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Boehner won't break the Hastert rule, but Reid is supposed to give in to a vocal minority :facepalm3:

You have to have better arguments than this.  A gerrymandered house is representing a vast minority of the people.

You claim Americans don't want the PPACA.  How many of those people are progressives/liberals who want single-payer?  Because you could technically say I don't want the PPACA, but that doesn't mean I support tying a continuing resolution to the defunding of it.  But like psilynut said, the majority of people don't want Obamacare gone, and an even larger majority would agree to Obamacare if it were between Obamacare and shutting down the government. 

And you claim that people didn't vote over one issue in the election, which is correct, but one issue was a big one with Romney saying that on his first day in office he would get rid of the PPACA :lol:.  They campaigned on Obama ravaging Medicare, yet the same $718bn was cut in Ryan's plan too.  The same tax revenues were kept to balance the budget :lol:.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18881092 - 09/23/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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I don't recall it being a 1 issue election.  I might point out that Scott Walker was elected Senator in Massafuckingchusetts specifically because of Obamacare.  The People elected Republicans all over the country.  Their vote counts too.  That's why we don't have a dictatorial Presidency.  Capisce.





:orly:




Yeah really.  That's why Republicans control the House of Representatives and most statehouses.  Or didn't you know that?
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Cruz can insist on no more amendments before a cloture vote.  Reid can absolutely do that if he wants a cloture vote.  The ball is in Reid's court.





So, Reid can completely bend over and cave to Cruz's demands, otherwise it is his fault.  Why doesn't Cruz just completely bend over and cave to Reid's demands? 

:dumblol:




Because Reid's amendments won't pass the House.  The Republican House sent him a bill.  Let him pass it without amendment.  If he amends it then he is responsible for any fiscal nuisance.  Why should the House cave to Reid?


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18881179 - 09/23/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Because the house is gerrymandered as fuck.  Democrats received 1.4 million more votes than Republicans, yet somehow are a minority in the house.  The Republican State Leadership Committee even admits it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/the-great-gerrymander-of-2012.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-18/republicans-foil-what-most-u-s-wants-with-gerrymandering.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/how-gerrymandering-has-created-a-segregated-house/279041/

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-11-13/opinions/35506182_1_democratic-senate-congressional-districts-house-seats

Then you get to the senate where disproportionate representation is at an all-time high.  Small minorities are trying to impose their will on the majority of the people.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/03/11/us/politics/democracy-tested.html

Since when has minority rule been considered "democracy."


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Because Reid's amendments won't pass the House. 




Don't be too sure about that.

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The Republican House sent him a bill.  Let him pass it without amendment.




So Reid must give up all his powers as Majority Leader to succumb to the minority on something the American people don't want (the defunding of the PPACA)?


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If he amends it then he is responsible for any fiscal nuisance.




Why is this not on the house for continuing to pass bills that have a chance of passing the senate?


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18881207 - 09/23/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

1.  The US is not a Democracy.  Never was.
2.  Gerrymandering works both ways.  Always has. 
3.  We would not be a nation without the proportions of the Senate.  Did you know that Senators were originally chosen by the state legislators and not a popular vote?
4.  Republicans control most of the state governments

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/23/cruz-begins-his-battle-to-defund-obamacare-in-government-funding-bill/

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Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz’s battle to pass the House-approved, Obamacare-defunding temporary budget bill has begun.

Cruz last week promised to use “any procedural means necessary” to keep a provision that would defund Obamacare in the bill, which funds the government through Dec. 15 and would prevent a government shutdown. It passed the House on Friday.

On Monday, Cruz asked for the Senate to vote on the bill without changing it at all or debating it. In response, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who earlier in the day declared any bill defunding Obamacare “dead on arrival” and plans to strip out that provision before sending the government-funding bill back to the House, said Cruz’s effort was doomed.

“The president would veto this continuing resolution, so it is not going to become law anyway,” he said.

Earlier in the day, Reid had accused Republicans of taking “hostages,” as the government will shut down if the two parties cannot come to an agreement in the next week. Cruz said that the Senate could avoid such a shutdown if Reid agreed to a vote and the bill passed.

“The government shutdown,” Cruz said, “would be taken off the table.” Instead, Cruz alleged that Reid was using ”the threat of a default to engage in brinksmanship to try to force Obamacare on the American people,” and said that any amendment to the bill should have to receive at least 60 votes.

A number of Republican senators have lambasted Cruz’s plan to defund Obamacare, and Cruz himself acknowledged last week that the Senate majority leader likely has the votes to alter the bill.





Why doesn't Harry think that sending an amended bill back to the House isn't doomed itself?


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18881227 - 09/23/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
Boehner won't break the Hastert rule, but Reid is supposed to give in to a vocal minority :facepalm3:

You have to have better arguments than this.  A gerrymandered house is representing a vast minority of the people.

You claim Americans don't want the PPACA.  How many of those people are progressives/liberals who want single-payer?  Because you could technically say I don't want the PPACA, but that doesn't mean I support tying a continuing resolution to the defunding of it.  But like psilynut said, the majority of people don't want Obamacare gone, and an even larger majority would agree to Obamacare if it were between Obamacare and shutting down the government. 

And you claim that people didn't vote over one issue in the election, which is correct, but one issue was a big one with Romney saying that on his first day in office he would get rid of the PPACA :lol:.  They campaigned on Obama ravaging Medicare, yet the same $718bn was cut in Ryan's plan too.  The same tax revenues were kept to balance the budget :lol:.




Obama did ravage medicare and if you want single payer than elect enough people to pass it.  The fact is that a majority of people do not want this hashed together of piece of shit and it should be deleted.  Why do you think Obama keeps granting exemption after exemption and delay after delay?  Why do you think there is only one insurance co in NH that is participating in the fund and insurers are dropping out of California in droves.

Stop whining about gerrymandering.  The Republicans are no more guilty of it than the Dems.  Take a look at the Congressional district map of NY some time and tell me that isn't a fucking Picasso.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18881279 - 09/23/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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The Republicans are no more guilty of it than the Dems.




The data would suggest differently.

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Obama did ravage medicare




:lolsy:, OK, champ.  I'm sure you're right, again.  :rolleyes:

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if you want single payer than elect enough people to pass it




With the current districts, that is impossible.

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Why do you think there is only one insurance co in NH that is participating in the fund and insurers are dropping out of California in droves.




Because they want to keep taking money without providing service.

But, since this is a nationwide law, moving to other states won't make a difference.  Your points don't quite add up here. 

Either way, for-profit healthcare is on its last leg, as it should be.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18881344 - 09/23/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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The Republicans are no more guilty of it than the Dems.




The data would suggest differently.




ORLY?  Like I said, take a look at the NY state map.
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Obama did ravage medicare




:lolsy:, OK, champ.  I'm sure you're right, again.  :rolleyes:




http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2013/04/15/obamacare-to-slash-hundreds-of-billions-from-medicare-advantage-over-next-10-years/
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if you want single payer than elect enough people to pass it




With the current districts, that is impossible.




Awwww too fucking bad for the bums
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Why do you think there is only one insurance co in NH that is participating in the fund and insurers are dropping out of California in droves.




Because they want to keep taking money without providing service.




Insurance companies do not provide service.  They provide money that pays for service.  Did you read the NY Times article I posted?  because it will rock your little world.
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But, since this is a nationwide law, moving to other states won't make a difference.  Your points don't quite add up here.




My points about state legislatures are a refutation of your assertions regarding the popularity of Dems and the irrelevance of your gerrymander whine.  Want some cheese? 
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Either way, for-profit healthcare is on its last leg, as it should be.




Then there will be less of it.  No profit, no incentive.  You want to replace one bureaucracy (insurance co.s) with another (government hoes).  A bureaucracy that cannot be sued.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #18881383 - 09/23/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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ORLY?  Like I said, take a look at the NY state map.




Yeah, New York is the only state in the Union.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2013/04/15/obamacare-to-slash-hundreds-of-billions-from-medicare-advantage-over-next-10-years/




Explain, in your own words, how this is "ravaging" Medicare?

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Awwww too fucking bad for the bums




Aww, all you revert to is ad hominem attacks.  How cute.

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Insurance companies do not provide service.  They provide money that pays for service.  Did you read the NY Times article I posted?  because it will rock your little world.




How are insurance companies not providing a service?  The aren't providing medical service, but they are providing a service as a middle-man.  What la la land are you living in? 

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Then there will be less of it.  No profit, no incentive.  You want to replace one bureaucracy (insurance co.s) with another (government hoes).  A bureaucracy that cannot be sued.




Your opinion is not fact.  As hard as that might be for you to believe, that is the truth.

I mean, you still didn't see that you said Scott Walker was elected as a Massachusetts senator :facepalm:.

Scott Brown was ousted in the next election, because he was such a scumbag.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18881385 - 09/23/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
With the current districts, that is impossible.




Like Chicago's 4th?

Kindly educate us as to what Republicans had to do with that mess?


Both parties gerrymander whenever they can. Doesn't make it right, but it does reveal the intellectual dishonesty of those who claim otherwise.



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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #18881401 - 09/23/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

1.3 million votes were for democrats in the 2012 House races.  Republicans control 53.8% of the house.  The numbers don't add up here.  How is that representation?  You can point at individual districts, but that is an obvious misrepresentation as a whole.

http://www.rslc.com/redmap_2012_summary_report


Good thing the Welfare Queens of the GOP house are still raking in the $$$.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18881415 - 09/23/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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ORLY?  Like I said, take a look at the NY state map.




Yeah, New York is the only state in the Union.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2013/04/15/obamacare-to-slash-hundreds-of-billions-from-medicare-advantage-over-next-10-years/




Explain, in your own words, how this is "ravaging" Medicare?




He cut the shit out of it.  What would you call that?
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Awwww too fucking bad for the bums




Aww, all you revert to is ad hominem attacks.  How cute.




That isn't ad hominem.  Get a dictionary. 
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Insurance companies do not provide service.  They provide money that pays for service.  Did you read the NY Times article I posted?  because it will rock your little world.




How are insurance companies not providing a service?  The aren't providing medical service, but they are providing a service as a middle-man.  What la la land are you living in?




No doctors, nurses and hospitals provide a service.  I do not consider insurance a service any omre than they consider my premiums a service.  Once again, get a dictionary.
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Then there will be less of it.  No profit, no incentive.  You want to replace one bureaucracy (insurance co.s) with another (government hoes).  A bureaucracy that cannot be sued.




Your opinion is not fact.  As hard as that might be for you to believe, that is the truth.




It has been a time proven truth that when you eliminate the profit incentive you get less of a thing.  Nobody works for free.
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I mean, you still didn't see that you said Scott Walker was elected as a Massachusetts senator :facepalm:.




:rofl2:I got the wrong Scott
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Scott Brown was ousted in the next election, because he was such a scumbag.




No, he lost because Massachusetts is nut case blue.  There was nothing scumbaggy about Scott Brown.  If you have something scumbaggy about Scott Brown post it.  Elizabeth Warren, on the other hand, is a complete scumbag.  Fauxcohontas lying commie pig.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18881424 - 09/23/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It holds up quite nicely when you realize (if you ever realize) the votes for members of the House are not the same as votes for President. Republicans, to your clear dismay, were able to win their INDIVIDUAL races.

The nationwide vote count has no bearing on the INDIVIDUAL districts. It could be 20 million and it wouldn't (nor should it) matter.


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Re: Harvard Liberals are a bunch of idiots. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18881487 - 09/23/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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1.3 million votes were for democrats in the 2012 House races.  Republicans control 53.8% of the house.  The numbers don't add up here.  How is that representation?  You can point at individual districts, but that is an obvious misrepresentation as a whole.

http://www.rslc.com/redmap_2012_summary_report




Yeah, so?  The Dems build safe districts for themselves as well and the federal government helps them with their affirmative action districting mandates in the South.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

They give 10 examples.  7 favor Dems.
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Good thing the Welfare Queens of the GOP house are still raking in the $$$.




I have no problem with eliminating them entirely.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/14/your-tax-dollars-subsidizing-scottie-pippen-ted-turner-and-jon-bon-jovi/
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The eye-popping findings in the 36-page report include some eye-catching names, like former NBA star Scottie Pippen and billionaire media mogul Ted Turner, both of whom received farm subsidies courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer. Singer Jon Bon Jovi paid property taxes of only $100 last year on a plot of land he used to raise bees. Iconic crooner Bruce Springsteen also got in on the farm subsidy action, for property he leases to an organic farmer. And Millionaire composer-producer Quincy Jones is even singled out for receiving a $25,000 award from the federally-funded National Endowment for the Arts.




I'm pretty sure these are all big Dem donors, including Ted Turner.

http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/herman/101199.htm

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TED TURNER SAID recently, of his wealth, “I’d rather use it for the benefit of mankind... than spend it selfishly. I’m a socialist at heart.”




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