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9/11 Allowed to Happen?
    #1887961 - 09/06/03 09:06 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I found this quite disturbing

Quote:

MEACHER BLASTS WAR AIMS

Former Government minister Michael Meacher has claimed that the war on terrorism is a "political smokescreen" to allow the US to dominate the world and its oil supplies.


Writing in The Guardian, Mr Meacher, who was environment minister for six years until June, argued that the US knew in advance of the September 11 attacks but did not act for strategic reasons.

Mr Meacher claimed that "the truth may well be a great deal murkier" than the conventional explanation that after September 11 the US launched a global war on terrorism, striking first at al Qaeda bases in Afghanistan and then, because Saddam Hussein was alleged to have weapons of mass destruction, going to war with Iraq.

He cited a document called Rebuilding America's Defences, written in September 2000 by neo-conservative think tank Project for the New American Century.

PNAC was set up by a group including Dick Cheney (George Bush's vice president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (deputy defence secretary) and Lewis Libby (Mr Cheney's chief of staff).

The PNAC plan "is a blueprint for US world domination" which "provides a much better explanation of what happened before, during and after 9/11 than the global war on terrorism thesis," Mr Meacher writes.

"From this it seems that the so-called `war on terrorism' is being used largely as bogus cover for achieving wider US strategic geopolitical objectives."

He said the PNAC document stated that making the US "tomorrow's dominant force" would be a long process without "some catalysing event - like a new Pearl Harbour".

Mr Meacher listed a number of newspaper articles detailing intelligence, which the US was said to be in possession of, which warned of the September 11 attacks before they happened.

He also questioned why no fighter planes were scrambled until after the third plane had crashed into the Pentagon, asking: "Was this inaction simply the result of key people disregarding, or being ignorant of, the evidence? Or could US security operations have been deliberately stood down on September 11?"

Mr Meacher concluded that the "overriding motivation for this political smokescreen is that the US and the UK are beginning to run out of secure hydrocarbon energy supplies".

By 2010, he said, Muslim countries will control as much as 60% of the world's oil production and 95% of its global export capacity.

His comments provoked a strong reaction from the US embassy in London. The paper quotes a spokesman saying: "Mr Meacher's fantastic allegations would be monstrous, and monstrously offensive, if they came from someone serious or credible."




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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1888012 - 09/06/03 10:07 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Would you like to join the "Bush knew" club? Our membership is in the two's and we're always looking for new recruits.




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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1888095 - 09/06/03 11:16 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Old news.


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1888097 - 09/06/03 11:17 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Learyfan knew.


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1888104 - 09/06/03 11:23 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

there will never be a sound investigation into this.

bush thwarted daschel's probe and has since
put kissinger in place to run an investigative
front.

funny that he should choose kissinger, he's got
more blood on his hands than the entire al-queda
network of terrorists...



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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1888111 - 09/06/03 11:29 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

It's not too late for you to join the "Bush Knew" club LDS. Just read some more of the links from the........

------>Prior Knowledge Archive

and

--------> The 9-11 Timeline




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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1888112 - 09/06/03 11:31 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

In order to join, I'd have to abandon all common sense.


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1888159 - 09/06/03 11:55 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

the timeline speaks for itself, luvdem.

official goverment documents from various agencies
paint a very grim picture of the state of national
security.

more was done when payne stewart's plane went
off the radar a couple years back than was done
when 3 (possibly more) large passenger aircraft
laden with fuel and innocent civilians were allowed
to go offcourse.

not a single jet was sent up as is the required protocol.

even after one and then two had been crashed into
their targets nothing was done.

fucking ridiculous.


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: afoaf]
    #1888172 - 09/06/03 12:04 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.unansweredquestions.net/timeline/
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html

I still can't find the really good one that's out
there that uses government documents to piece
together the timeline based on the information
the various departments gave in their official
statements.


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: afoaf]
    #1888176 - 09/06/03 12:05 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

indeed.


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: afoaf]
    #1888190 - 09/06/03 12:12 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Believe as you wish. I've seen the timelines often enough.

I'll repeat, in order to believe I'd have to abandon all common sense.


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1888200 - 09/06/03 12:17 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

so you dont see anything wrong with the fact that they took more notice of some guys private plane than three commercial airliners that struck american sky scrapers?

almost sounds like youve already abandoned all common sense, man!


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: ]
    #1888221 - 09/06/03 12:29 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I see a lo of things wrong. I just don't believe the evidence is there that it was allowed to happen.


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1888289 - 09/06/03 01:27 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

People that believe that Bush knew have a reason they have to believe it. The facts remain and it is relatively clear he didn't know.

Everyone is entitled to believe what they want to.

I like the quote by Francis Bacon during times like these:

"That which a man had rather were true he more readily believes."


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1888315 - 09/06/03 01:43 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

how do you know that bush (or somebody) didn't know something? and how do you explain so many 'errors' on the part of out intelligence and military? you dimiss all of this pretty quickly without much explanation...

one problem i see with these conspiracy theories is that the errors which they claim were actually intentional neglect were not commited by very high-ranking officials... thus for each instance of *intentional neglect* on the part of our intelligence\military, the conspiracy grows quite a bit larger. it would seem that something of this size would be impossible to keep under wraps... if the claims are true, then there are alot of people out there that know it, not just a small core of conspirators.


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: ]
    #1888408 - 09/06/03 02:36 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Very few people would have to know. They orchestrate the event to look like a "accident" and everyone else falls in line, believing that it was exactly that.

After that it?s smooth sailing. At this point the people are scared shitless and they?ll beg you to take their rights away and go invade oil laden countries.

It?s easy.




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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: Learyfan]
    #1888470 - 09/06/03 03:07 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

what are the major peices of evidense that there was some kind of prior knowledge\conspiracy?


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: afoaf]
    #1888505 - 09/06/03 03:22 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)


more was done when payne stewart's plane went
off the radar a couple years back than was done
when 3 (possibly more) large passenger aircraft
laden*** with fuel and innocent civilians were allowed
to go offcourse.






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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: ]
    #1888509 - 09/06/03 03:24 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

every protocol governing the FAA and Norad was
ignored and no planes were scrambled to so much
as investigate what was going on even after one of
the 'off course' planes flew into the first tower.

president was not immediately secured when it was
readily apparent that the united states was being
attacked from the skies. quite the opposite, really,
he stayed put, *unsure* if he was out of danger and
continued a very trivial PR stunt.

then you have the bevy of domestic and international
intelligence agents who profess that they alerted the
government to the plan before it occured.

there is also the whole PNAC organization and its existing
warplan from 2000 that looks a heck of a lot like the
one that is currently being implemented.

there are also a lot of fringe conspiracy theorists that
assert that the world trade center collapse was actually
the result of pre-planted explosives and not the impact
and ensuing fires. also, some claim that the pentagon
airliner 'detonated' before impact...among other things.

bottom line, if you focus only on the first point and do
not consider some of the other circumstantial and fringe
arguments, you are still left with a solid case for a massive
investigation into why multiple layers of tried and true
security measures were ignored and went unexecuted at
the moment when our nation needed it most.

they haven't so much as disciplined or even court martialed
a single individual for this massive blunder.

that, in itself, is somewhat suspect.

this was bush's pearl harbour.


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Re: 9/11 Allowed to Happen? [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #1888527 - 09/06/03 03:38 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Here is the evidence so far:

Bush's reaction to Americans dying on 9-11:


Bush's reaction to dropping a dog:


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