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How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running?
    #18876606 - 09/22/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I've always wanted to brew my own beer and I'm seeing the possibility of settling down long enough to start my own little setup.  I would mostly want to be making ales, at least to stat.


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18876688 - 09/22/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm curious too. I have a large grape vine 'bush' that makes tons of grapes and I want to try to make wine :yesnod:


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18877072 - 09/22/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I would like to be able to get up to a constant supply of a few gallons a week, as I assume it would cost less to make decent beer than to buy decent beer.


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18877231 - 09/22/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There are twoways in which you can start making your own beer.. with a malt extract or by doing it from scratch, and using malted grain and your own hop additions.

"All Grain" brewing is superior in every way, but it takes a lot of time, but worth it. You can get into all grain brewing for only a few dollars by using the 'Brew In A Bag' (aka BIAB) method. Details here:

http://homebrewmanual.com/brew-in-a-bag/

There is also a dedicated BIAB forum if you need to ask questions about the method:

http://www.biabrewer.info/


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: barong]
    #18877364 - 09/22/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

do you know if it is much different to do things like wine or harder alcohols? hopefully that isn't illegal.

time to go do my own research


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: barong]
    #18877939 - 09/22/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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There are twoways in which you can start making your own beer.. with a malt extract or by doing it from scratch, and using malted grain and your own hop additions.

"All Grain" brewing is superior in every way, but it takes a lot of time, but worth it. You can get into all grain brewing for only a few dollars by using the 'Brew In A Bag' (aka BIAB) method. Details here:

http://homebrewmanual.com/brew-in-a-bag/

There is also a dedicated BIAB forum if you need to ask questions about the method:

http://www.biabrewer.info/




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Does Can this produce quality beers?  I would rather not join even more forums :laugh:, maybe I'll check out /r/homebrew over on Reddit.  I would love to make maybe five gallons a week of IPA, is this plausible with a BIAB method?


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18878618 - 09/22/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Does Can this produce quality beers? 




I have won several state competitions and placed highly in national championships using the BIAB method, so yes, if you learn brewing principals then you can make outstanding beers. There were some old school brewers stuck in their ways who will tell you it's not valid, simply because they are stuck in their was. In Australia especially, many people are creating comp worthy brews with BIAB, and yes you can do full batches if you have a big enough pot - You will need a 40L pot minimum to make an approx 23L batch.

While there are some small limitations with BIAB that won't affect most people, it is by far the cheapest way to get into brewing properly (that is, with grain, not using extracts or sugar etc)


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #18878624 - 09/22/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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do you know if it is much different to do things like wine or harder alcohols? hopefully that isn't illegal.

time to go do my own research




Making hard liqor is an entirely different process, as it involves distillation. I have no idea on the legal status of distilling in your state. In my country, it's a federal offense.


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18878660 - 09/23/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'd suggest a homebrew supply shop.
Go with the "true brew" starter kit.
I think its around 65 bucks, and comes with buckets, hoses, caps, a capper tool, an airlock, and a secondary carboy.
  From there, spend another 30 on malt extract (to start extract brewing, which is good for beginners) & hops and you're off running.
Also, maybe pick up "the joy of homebrewing" book but stay out of the advanced section at first so you don't have your mind blown and get overwhelmed...
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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Oeric McKenna] * 1
    #18878853 - 09/23/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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  From there, spend another 30 on malt extract (to start extract brewing, which is good for beginners)





^^ This is an opinion you'll hear a lot of, but I will fully disagree with. Although many people start out making beer with malt extract(which by the way is NOT brewing by definition), just about everyone down the track says 'gee, I wish I had started out doing all grain'. The problem is that many people go into it thinking it's too hard, but in reality even if you dont know the science behind it, you can still do an AG brew. And with BIAB you dont even have to outlay much coin over and above going extract style brews.

A bad all-grain beer is still a tasty beer. An average extract beer is fairly terrible.


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: barong]
    #18878926 - 09/23/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah but if you're brand new you might get overwhelmed and quit. Fermenting anything is brewing, be it white sugar or whatever else. The extract is made by professional maltsters and available in a million styles. Knocking it is a bit snobbish too.

When someone is asking "how do I get started" I think its kind of a lot to throw all grain brewing at them.  Sure, diving in to the advanced brewing is an option, but so is starting basic. 
  I gave the advice I wouldve wanted personally if I were him. Lets not argue about it ehh?


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18878979 - 09/23/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I think the BIAB is something that with some reading up on techniques, I could definitely get down.


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18879054 - 09/23/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah but if you're brand new you might get overwhelmed and quit. Fermenting anything is brewing, be it white sugar or whatever else. The extract is made by professional maltsters and available in a million styles. Knocking it is a bit snobbish too.

When someone is asking "how do I get started" I think its kind of a lot to throw all grain brewing at them.  Sure, diving in to the advanced brewing is an option, but so is starting basic. 
  I gave the advice I wouldve wanted personally if I were him. Lets not argue about it ehh?




Actually, the term brewing has nothing to do with the fermentation process. And I am reluctant to underestimate the OP's intelligence, and have faith that he can go straight into all grain. It's no different to all these newbies that start on the PF Tek. It's an outdated tek and there's no reason for new growers to begin with such a method, when making grain spawn & extending to substrate is really only a tiny step. So too with brewing. If one wants to get into the hobby, and make GOOD beer every time, then all grain is the only answer. 


What is a new brewer going to learn by starting with extract ? How to boil water and pitch yeast? Sanitisation is a given, regardless - and with any luck he's already a shroom grower so understands the importance of a clean process.

I'm not being a snob about this at all. I started off with extract, as did just about everyone else. However I, like almost everyone else, cannot see why we bothered. With the advent of the BIAB tek, there's now no longer even an excuse that it costs too much to get into.

Just a word on the BIAB method, there have been annua 'brew-off' days that acted as competitions, BIAB vs 3V vs HERMS, and in every instance, it was impossible to pick the BIAB brew from the traditional method brews. You can't tell me the same outcome would be the case with an extract beer.


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: barong]
    #18879071 - 09/23/13 02:19 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There's nothing wrong with the PF TEK or extract brewing. I have 2 first place medals from shows and they were extract beers.  Standing next to these 2 married beer snobs too. They said l oh, you use cascades huh...well we only use the noble hops" and then the looks on their faces when I kept getting called and they won nothing. Brewing has just as much to do with your creativity and style as it does your ingredients.  You're wrong about extracts too by the way. To each his own.
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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18879095 - 09/23/13 02:31 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Extracts = Processed ingredients
All Grain = Fresh ingredients

I suppose you use a jar of pasta sauce from Costco to make dinner and consider yourself a chef too, right ?

The fact is, I am not 'wrong' as you suggest, it's simply my opinion that a new brewer can avoid the same old dumb 7 pointless path of entry into making beer with some syrupy goop in a tincan or some sticky powder in a baggie, and go straight to BREWING beer the way it's supposed to be done, the way it has been done for thousands of years, and the way every craft breweries does it.... and that is with MALTED BARLEY GRAIN

You are clearly one of those guys who is still frightened to move into real brewing. Ive seen these sort of defensive reactions many times before. Do it, man. Your beers will be incredibly better from the first brew, I guarantee it.


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: barong] * 1
    #18879131 - 09/23/13 02:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Afraid to move to real brewing.
Have you lost your fucking mind???  I malt my own grains. I grow my own hops. I invent new styles.
Not a snob though, so I never turn my nose up at the basics.
You called the PF tek outdated. what a riot!

I guess the wheel is pretty outdated too


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18879193 - 09/23/13 03:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

haha, no worries. If you think giving people absolutely no self-confidence to brew beer properly, and instead push them towards the boring, uninspired "InstaBeer" method of mixing some syrup into boiling water while actually learning NOTHING about brewing but simply delaying the learning process then there's nothing more to be said. You have fallen into the trap that so many others do, in that for some inexplicable reason that a new person to the hobby needs to take their first steps with a poor method. I'm arguing that there's no reason not to start off properly in the first place. That goes for a lot of hobbies.


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    #18879292 - 09/23/13 05:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Properly? fallen into a trap?
No. you attacked my advice out of the blue and wiped your ass with this thread.
Stop downplaying malt extract fist of all. What you're making in your pan is malt extract.
You could easily find extract made in germany by master maltsters that'd be hard to replicate in your kitchen , not to mention having to buy 5 specialty malts to do so.
It also cuts out having to purchace/use a chiller. Slinging around 13lb sacks of 2 row and having the beer fail due to brew process might make it the last batch a new guy ever tries. its good to be humble as a beginner and not arrogant & cocky.
There is a lot more to beer crafting than just malt anyway.
The answer is do whatever you feel comfy with op. If diving into the whole ball of wax is for you, then fine. If not, thers nothing wrong with starting basic and learning.

  To you up here^ just pm me for further argument
Your use of the term "properly" is junk


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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Oeric McKenna]
    #18879393 - 09/23/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Chiller ? Sorry, there's a reputable no-chill method that has also been pioneered by Australian brewers using an oxygen-free cube.

Enjoy your 'instant beer' approach, and I'll stick to actually brewing.

All the best, MasterChef.



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Re: How much would it cost to get a functional homebrew setup up and running? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #18880110 - 09/23/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Easy answer $250 +/-

Many home brew starter kits available for about $100
Get yourself a good stock pot, spend about $50
Get some bottles for about $50
Get a batch ready recipe kit or two and you will be set to brew for the first time.


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