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fractaldill
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Kinda worried about this tub still
#18876355 - 09/22/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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So heres my tub. the mycelium looks kinda week, maybe a bacterial contamination? I havent grown in a while and im used to the myc looking much thicker and whiter. let me know how it looks. this is an albino aa+ tub.
8 days into colonization. 5050 coir with 6 quart rye seed spawn. notice the difference in the pictures, one is with flash, the other is without.

Edited by fractaldill (09/22/13 03:14 PM)
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: fractaldill]
#18876368 - 09/22/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks fine. Looks ready to put into fruit.
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: PrinceShroom]
#18876374 - 09/22/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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going to try and wait a few days. going on vacation in a week :p
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: fractaldill]
#18876650 - 09/22/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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The mycelium all looks fine.
 Is this spot have a layered powdery texture? I can't make it out well enough, if not it's probably just a discoloration.
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: PrinceShroom]
#18876726 - 09/22/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you've opened the lid to inspect the tub long enough to let the tub get a good amount of fresh air then you have already introduced fruiting conditions.
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PrinceShroom said: Looks fine. Looks ready to put into fruit.
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FrankHorrigan
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Midnight Cyclone said: If you've opened the lid to inspect the tub long enough to let the tub get a good amount of fresh air then you have already introduced fruiting conditions.
NO. No you have not, and no it does not.
Quit spreading this stupid, bullshit misinformation.
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Kizzle said:
 Is this spot have a layered powdery texture? I can't make it out well enough, if not it's probably just a discoloration.
I'm gonna guess there is mold about pop up...that's the reaction I've seen.
Edited by FrankHorrigan (09/22/13 05:00 PM)
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18876833 - 09/22/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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A colonizing substrate does so under the conditions of very small amount of FAE. Essentially next to none, like a jar.
Therefore, high amounts of CO2. Once the mushrooms "breathe" the air and turn it into CO2, you want to maintain that high level of CO2, right? This is my understanding.
IME, anytime I open a tub and close it back up it will pin earlier than all other tubs I did not open. And extremely uneven at that. I've reverted to clear lids so I can see how colonized the substrate is without having to open the tub and/or tray.
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Quit spreading this stupid, bullshit misinformation.
No need to get offended, Frank. How is one to spread knowledge on a subject but from their own experience? My own is what I know best, as with each and every one of you. Ouch man, you make it sound like I'm spreading rumors in highschool or something. Cindy is a slut because I've experienced her as a slut - many times - not because that's the word on the street. Get me?
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Quote:
Midnight Cyclone said: A colonizing substrate does so under the conditions of very small amount of FAE. Essentially next to none, like a jar.
Therefore, high amounts of CO2. Once the mushrooms "breathe" the air and turn it into CO2, you want to maintain that high level of CO2, right? This is my understanding.
I believe gas exchange will move towards equilibrium. There is only a large portion of CO2 in your tub due to CO2 being a byproduct of mycelium metabolism.
Fresh air exchange is a rapid, and huge cycling of all the gasses, causing evaporation off of the substrate, initiating pinning. Peeking will simply provide higher amounts of gas exchange, not fresh air exchange, and not evaporation.
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18876881 - 09/22/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Midnight Cyclone said: Ouch man, you make it sound like I'm spreading rumors in highschool or something. Cindy is a slut because I've experienced her as a slut - many times - not because that's the word on the street. Get me?
No, I don't "get you."
All I saw was this:
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Midnight Cyclone said: If you've opened the lid to inspect the tub long enough to let the tub get a good amount of fresh air then you have already introduced fruiting conditions.
To which I responded with this:
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FrankHorrigan said: NO. No you have not, and no it does not.
Quit spreading this stupid, bullshit misinformation.
And I responded as such because this information has been disproven time and time again, as has much of the info publicized by a certain member a while back.
You are attributing your pinning issues to something that is not causing it.
Fruiting is not a quick burst of fresh air.
Fruiting is a slow, steady, and constant exchange of fresh air, combined with evaporation of moisture from the substrate and high humidity.
Taking a peek will not hurt it.
I keep thinking this particular tidbit is DOA. I will continue to try and make it so. It is a pet peeve of mine.
Edited by FrankHorrigan (09/22/13 05:18 PM)
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fractaldill
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: Kizzle]
#18877009 - 09/22/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i just checked and it is a little puddle. :p definitely not a contam.
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: fractaldill]
#18877011 - 09/22/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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I couldn't tell if it was a puddle or yellowing mycelium.
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18877044 - 09/22/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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i wanted to thank you for the proper pasteurization tek frank, by the way.
Heres a grow-log just for you!
http://imgur.com/a/6f0IW
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18877212 - 09/22/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said:
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Midnight Cyclone said: Ouch man, you make it sound like I'm spreading rumors in highschool or something. Cindy is a slut because I've experienced her as a slut - many times - not because that's the word on the street. Get me?
No, I don't "get you."
All I saw was this:
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Midnight Cyclone said: If you've opened the lid to inspect the tub long enough to let the tub get a good amount of fresh air then you have already introduced fruiting conditions.
To which I responded with this:
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FrankHorrigan said: NO. No you have not, and no it does not.
Quit spreading this stupid, bullshit misinformation.
And I responded as such because this information has been disproven time and time again, as has much of the info publicized by a certain member a while back.
You are attributing your pinning issues to something that is not causing it.
Fruiting is not a quick burst of fresh air.
Fruiting is a slow, steady, and constant exchange of fresh air, combined with evaporation of moisture from the substrate and high humidity.
Taking a peek will not hurt it.
I keep thinking this particular tidbit is DOA. I will continue to try and make it so. It is a pet peeve of mine.
Yeah no kidding! That "certain member" about drove everyone crazy with this and other nonsense! but mostly just this
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: fractaldill]
#18877293 - 09/22/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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NO. No you have not, and no it does not.
Quit spreading this stupid, bullshit misinformation.
It's good to hear someone confirm this. I suspected as much after removing the lid multiple times a day throughout colonization and even ward during an extra 2 weeks of consolidation with pinning not starting until the day after I finally put it into fruiting conditions. I wasn't sure if it was false or just didn't apply to the trays I use which are filled up to the lid.
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: Kizzle]
#18877462 - 09/22/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Removing the lid multiple times a day is completely excessive.
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18877928 - 09/22/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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And obsessive
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: Mush4Brains]
#18878423 - 09/22/13 10:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Removing the lid multiple times a day is completely excessive.
Yup But I do it sometimes to closely monitor difference is growth when experimenting, not out of impatience.
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: Kizzle]
#18878669 - 09/23/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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well if you want to get to bare bones technical....introducing fresh air exchange(however short) is kinda like starting the fruiting cycle. until you take it away and stop it haha but like frank said its a long and slow type thing....just ask your mother
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Re: Kinda worried about this tub still [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18879837 - 09/23/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said:
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Midnight Cyclone said: Ouch man, you make it sound like I'm spreading rumors in highschool or something. Cindy is a slut because I've experienced her as a slut - many times - not because that's the word on the street. Get me?
No, I don't "get you."
All I saw was this:
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Midnight Cyclone said: If you've opened the lid to inspect the tub long enough to let the tub get a good amount of fresh air then you have already introduced fruiting conditions.
To which I responded with this:
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FrankHorrigan said: NO. No you have not, and no it does not.
Quit spreading this stupid, bullshit misinformation.
And I responded as such because this information has been disproven time and time again, as has much of the info publicized by a certain member a while back.
You are attributing your pinning issues to something that is not causing it.
Fruiting is not a quick burst of fresh air.
Fruiting is a slow, steady, and constant exchange of fresh air, combined with evaporation of moisture from the substrate and high humidity.
Taking a peek will not hurt it.
I keep thinking this particular tidbit is DOA. I will continue to try and make it so. It is a pet peeve of mine.
Cindy is an analogy. She is the tub, the slut is the early pinning, many times is referencing the many times I've seen it happen, and the word on the street is understood as what I've read around The Shroomery. So to rephrase, "The tubs pin early because I've seen them pin early due to opening them too much before full colonization, not because it's what I've read on The Shroomery." Get me?
I've noted a considerable difference in individual tubs, individual grows, where if I changed the variable of how much the tub was opened the tubs would pin earlier. If you open the tub, you're replacing the near 100% humidity air inside the tub with fresh air. Doing so would initiate evaporation because of how a monotub works, where the humidity inside the tub is supplied by evaporation off the substrate. Temporarily less humid air inside the tub would also temporarily increase rate of evaporation from the substrate, considered one of the number one pinning triggers plus the short supply of FAE, the other acknowledged pinning trigger. I think that sounds reason enough to not open my tubs early.
You think it is my intent to spread "stupid, bullshit misinformation?" If you think I'm wrong then correct me but please don't talk down to me, that's my only pet peeve. I'm only here to try to help. No contributing member of society would purposefully spread misinformation, unless they felt they were correct in suggesting so. So offended by this misinformation you remove the 5 shroom rating you gave me?

Anyways, OP, in the first picture: all those little white dots on the surface of the substrate, are those water droplets or baby mushies? Also, are those little baby mushies called primordia or hyphal knotting? I confuse those terms.
Edited by Midnight Cyclone (09/23/13 09:56 AM)
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FrankHorrigan
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Quote:
FrankHorrigan said:
You are attributing your pinning issues to something that is not causing it.
Fruiting is not a quick burst of fresh air.
Fruiting is a slow, steady, and constant exchange of fresh air, combined with evaporation of moisture from the substrate and high humidity.
Taking a peek will not hurt it.
I keep thinking this particular tidbit is DOA. I will continue to try and make it so. It is a pet peeve of mine.

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Midnight Cyclone said: So offended by this misinformation you remove the 5 shroom rating you gave me?
Offended? No. Your advice has been suspect for some time.
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