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bulkgrownoob
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Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization
#18878140 - 09/22/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anyone else have this problem? When i stack monotubs, I go to open them up to fruiting conditions and the top/middle ones look incredible with nice little beads of water all over the substrate. Then they get amazing pinsets. But the bottom ones always seem to just look dry for the most part after colonization and the pinsets usually aren't as good
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azur
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18878174 - 09/22/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe not enough ge from weight on lid..
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cynical bastad
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization *DELETED* [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18878178 - 09/22/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Post deleted by cynical bastadReason for deletion: ㅌ
Edited by cynical bastad (09/22/13 10:00 PM)
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bulkgrownoob
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: cynical bastad]
#18878191 - 09/22/13 09:58 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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azur said: Maybe not enough ge from weight on lid..
Wouldn't that cause them to be more moist if anything, as opposed to being too dry?Quote:
cynical bastad said: I had problems w/ Terrariums on the bottom, when introduced to fruiting, it seemed they weren't able to allow for GE through the lids. At first my buddy had them stacked way to many on one another, the bottom ones seemed to be way hotter and smothered. After taking a couple off and making another stack they did a lot better...but he failed when it came to FAE, Rotating the terrariums seemed to help...and staying on his ass to exchange the damn air.
But you are using monotub's with holes huh?
Yes I have my tubs dialed in as per franks tek when I do monotubs
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azur
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18878201 - 09/22/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmmm, I shall ponder this.
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bulkgrownoob
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: azur]
#18878218 - 09/22/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, more moist with the exception of not having condensation on the lid (same effect as putting hot coffee mug on top of Petri dishes to prevent condensation). But regardless just about all of the moisture from the original substrate preparation should still be there if there's not much GE. And besides the tubs are fully colonized in the same time as the rest so I think GE is okay
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azur
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18878229 - 09/22/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Chime in Frank
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bulkgrownoob
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: azur]
#18878241 - 09/22/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
azur said: Chime in Frank
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bulkgrownoob
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18883959 - 09/24/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bump
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toxetel
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18884058 - 09/24/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kind of a shot in the dark here: What is the temperature in the room? As the mycelium grows and colonizes the substrate, it generates heat. The inside of a colonizing monotub is definitely noticeably warmer than the room it's in. If the room is kind of warm to start with, maybe the bottom tubs are getting too warm? The top ones would be a little cooler because their heat could rise away and they don't have other heat-generating tubs directly above them.
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bulkgrownoob
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: toxetel]
#18884696 - 09/24/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's a thought to consider 
I guess a nice mist when introducing fruiting conditions will help but it's certainly not like having the conditions right in the first place
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18884794 - 09/24/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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How are you preparing your substrates?
The temperature is cooler by the floor, so you may end up with more condensation. It should not seem "dry" though.
Show me a picture, please?
I stack my tubs 4 high for colonizing and fruiting, it's never caused me an issue...so a picture will help immensely.
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bulkgrownoob
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#18885492 - 09/24/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm measuring out 650g dry coir, 2 quarts verm and 5 quarts water. I used the bucket tek this time because I didn't have my pasteurizer yet but that won't be an issue anymore. Anyway I'll try and get a pic later or tomorrow
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azur
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18887897 - 09/25/13 05:17 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ugh. You do have a pasteurizer. It's called a pot and jars. Do it right man.
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bulkgrownoob
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: azur]
#18888242 - 09/25/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I knew someone would say that. Too tedious for me so I built one like this to do bulk http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17076834#17076834
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cynical bastad
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18888286 - 09/25/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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here bro:
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tbagtag said: Bulk Sub Prep Tek Part 1: Hydration
Supplies needed: 2 Bricks Coco Coir (if bought at a grow shop make sure it wasnt treated with trich. The easiest one to get is Eco Earth from and major pet store. Works great for newbies) Vermiculite preferable medium (sometimes referred to as grade 2), fine will also work. Gypsum (pellets are a-ok) 2 gallons of water and 1 quart jar of water A bucket with a tight fitting lid

This recipe will make more than enough substrate for 2 30ish qt mini monos or 1 large mono over 66qt. When we are done I will give you tips for the leftovers.
Scale as needed
Step 1: Take 6 qts vermiculite and put in the bucket

2 cups gypsum - put it in the bucket

Should look like this

With your hand mix it as well as you can while its dry. This prevents gypsum clumps; especially with pelletized gypsum. Should look like below when done.

Now add 2 bricks of Eco Earth, if using bulk coir each brick of Eco Earth weighs 1# 7oz. So you will need 2# 14oz of bulk coir (yes i weighed all 3 bricks to find out)
Put this in the bucket.

Now pour 2 gallons of water and 1 quart jar of water in the bucket. Put the lid on it and set your timer for 60 minutes.

If you do not wait the full 60 minutes you will get leprosy, shits toxic till at field capacity. Well not really, just dont fuck with it for a full 60 minutes.
See you again in over an hour where we mix, test for field capacity and bag our sub for pasteurization.
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tbagtag said: Making Substrate Pt 2: Mixing and Pasteurization
Supplies needed:
Gloves Oven Roaster Gallon Ziploc Baggies Paper Towel Alcohol Meat Thermometer
So this is what you're going to be greeted with when you take the lid off of your bucket.

The gloves are optional as this is messy as fuck. The gloves just help with the cleanup and prevents any skin flakes or hair from your palms from getting in the mix.
We need to make sure we mix up the coir, verm and gypsum till it is even and there are no clumps of coir or pockets of verm.
One tip I give is pull from the bottom and build up along the side of the bucket and push down. Keep fluffing and repeating, I usually spend 30-60 minutes mixing my sub to get it nice. Take the time to do this right. After it is all mixed together put the lid back on the bucket and wait 30 minutes.

This is how it should look all the way through:

This extra 30 minutes helps with the redistribution of water after the mix.
After 30 minutes test for field capacity. When you pick up a clump no water should come out, when you squeeze you should have anywhere from a few drops to a small trickle. If it is too much water you can add another half quart of verm - but if you follow my instructions above, mix properly and wait that extra 30 minutes you will be good.
Each bag can hold up to 4qts of substrate, since we are only working with 22 qts of substrate we are going to put slightly less than that in each bag. Just try to make the bags as even as possible. Do not worry if there is coir in the zipper area, when we use the bags when can use sterile scissors to cut below the zipper area.

Zip up the bags (slide style bags will not work for this.
Assemble your roaster oven so it looks like below. Put your bags in before the water. Let out any excess air from the bags and re-zip.

In the middle bag open the top slightly to put your meat thermometer in and zip the bag shut as best as possible.

Fill the roaster with water halfway up the bags and put the lid on.


Plug in your roaster and set the temperature to 160 degrees. Check your meat thermometer after 2 hours, if you are not at 160 degrees on your thermometer check back in an hour and each hour after that (usually 4 hours to hit 160 degrees). Once the center has hit 160 unplug the roaster (mine doesnt have an on/off), leave the lid on for 1 hour and then promptly remove the substrate to cool after that hour.
You just now pasteurized 22qts of substrate in 4 hours without having to stand over the stove.
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bulkgrownoob
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: cynical bastad]
#18888337 - 09/25/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not sure how this turned into a thread about pasteurization but that's not my issue here. Besides that's a little small scale compared to what I just said that I built. I also think there's a few things that could be fixed in that tek but that's a discussion for tbags thread
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cynical bastad
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18888430 - 09/25/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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ohhhh, sorry... Get on w/ dialing in your tubs.
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ely2121
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: cynical bastad]
#18890172 - 09/25/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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have you tried putting poly-fill in the top holes? I do that on my five stacks to the ones on the bottom. All four but the top one. Also check your tubs for structural issues when you stack more than three or four.
Sterilite latching 66qt's and most hefty latching bins seem to hold up best. Non latching bins seem to not stack so well when you put four or more in a stack.
Good luck.
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Re: Stacked monotubs: bottom one always seems dry after colonization [Re: bulkgrownoob]
#18890231 - 09/25/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Raise the bottom tubs off the ground.
Will result in a consistent temp. the lower tubs aren't drier they are colder since they are contacting the ground directly. Sheets of insulation don't work either. Plastic pallets broken or not work greaaaat.
edit - ok so sheets of insulation work but not so well, raise them off the ground.
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Edited by mastercultivator (09/25/13 04:53 PM)
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